Fuck you, Google

>... facing felony charges after investigators executed a search warrant at his Mount Kisco home on April 7. Authorities were investigating a CyberTipline report filed by Google, in which the company said someone had uploaded child pornography to a Google Plus Photos account associated with an IP address traced to Zaccari's home.
>Bail for Zaccari was set at $25,000 cash, and as a condition of bail, he is not permitted to be around children under the age of 17.

nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Westchester-Former-Fire-Chief-School-Groundskeeper-Arrested-Child-Porn-Google-Report-419170084.html

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checksum
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_distance
youtube.com/watch?v=pOkfcmC4MpA
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I'm surprised you were allowed back on the internet as part of your bail terms, OP.

Uploading anything to Google is foolish.

Uploading anything to the Internet is foolish.

I don't see anything wrong with google reporting a child predator to the police.

>doen't read tos
>tos prolly had something like - won't engage in anything illegal in us
>cry moar

Well...for starters...it would be trivial for a three letter agency or even a hacker to upload pedo shit from your IP to Google.

Now how do you feel about it?

Couldn't this just be abused? Head over to someone's house upload some CP on their account on their PC which is already logged in because they're old. Some kid does it as a prank...bro.

>be 14 year old skiddie
>take a naked pic of myself
>hack the asshole groundskeeper's Google Plus account after he yelled at me for skateboarding on the grass by correctly guessing his password (zaccari69)
>upload my pic and laugh with my bros about all the fun this faggot is going to have in the pokey
Shit was so cash, Stacey let me fingerbang her on the bleachers after the big game too.

>pokey

Oldfag detected

>head over

You mean remote log in his computer, because he uses an unprotected operating system and has javascript enabled.

So they would get a search warrant, find nothing, and then leave.

So is this CP he produced himself or some random stickam video or imagefap shit he uploaded and matched Googles list of banned md5?

The former seems like a legit excuse to report him. The latter not so much.

>google plus account
>at 14
>oldfag
ok m8

>forgetting that the 3 letter agencies have AMD and Intel's private keys so they can abuse the ring -3 clusterfuck they force on everyone

Damn Google will do anything to plug their shitty Plus now, sad!

How did google know it was CP?

Esplain?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checksum
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_distance

I think what he means to say is that he's a paranoid schizophrenic

He got caught breaking the law and google is to blame?

Not an adequate answer

Intel Management Engine and whatever the fuck the AMD equivalent is called are sub-processors that basically have full access to the CPU and memory. They are blackboxes that cannot be disabled or circumvented, and they only run code signed by Intel or AMD (for each respective management engine). Because they have full access to your system, it's impossible to tell what they're doing without examining the physical hardware signals.


Yeah, just like all the people who thought the government was spying on their internet connection, right? They were obviously just insane.
Get a fucking clue moron, it's a plain as day backdoor right into your fucking system.

This. Only thing I upload to Google are dank memes.

It's almost like you want redditors and normalfags to ruin these memes.

>File is uploaded to server
>Server runs various scans on file
>Scan finds that file matches checksum of known CP files
>Some human maybe confirms this is the case due to possibility of hash collision
>FBI is alerted

So does Google like scrape the Darknet for CP hashes, or does the FBI provide them with hashes

>Some human maybe confirms this is the case due to possibility of hash collision
probably not
google reporting a random user would have a higher chance of catching a pedo then having a hash collision cause a report

This seems to me to be in the same realm as someone just breaking into your house and planting evidence. It would be about as "trivial".

Upload your shit encrypted. AES256 or a truecrypt container with aes two fish serpent

FBI helps Google but Google has its own ways of getting information.

Source: my ass.

Microsoft did/does use human beans to check for pizza. Theres an article about a former pizza checker who's all PTSD'd.

Or just don't download CP like a fucking degenerate

>Mount Kisco
Is this Need for Speed 2?

The article isn't really that clear.
Was he arrested because CP was uploaded from his IP or because they actually found CP when they searched his home?
This is fucking important.

microsoft are morons, and I'm sure that guy wasn't just checking hash collisions, don't they use image recognition in addition to hashes?

I'd be seriously astonished if that many collisions were happening to warrant having even a single guy take up employment checking them

But like
Said, who determines what is flagged CP and what isn't? Lots of questionable porn desu

don't they bug your shit after the investigation? like upload their own bios and firmware in to the hardware?

>truecrypt
Nice try NSA, you ain't fooling no one.

Likely the latter. A bit more of a legal channel, really.

Depending on the hashing algorithm in question, it is entirely possible for another image to match the same hash. It would seem reasonable to have someone double check just in case. Reporting someone for uploading unrelated content that merely matched the same hash could result in legal problems for them.

Image recognition algorithms are another possibility, but it is worth noting that image recognition is not exactly an easy problem.

Would Google use such a hashing algorithm for matching CP images though?

I do agree that image recognition isn't an easy problem, I mentioned it because they probably have to train their software using humans and have the results checked more often.

Hashing would be a fast way of doing it.

idk, Im kind of ok with this

Imagine being the Google employee that had to test that software...

The IME is built into the chipset, right?

>wanting 3d children
got what he deserved for having shit taste

...

You might be confusing two different concepts. It's feasible (though I don't think anyone has done it yet) to train a neural network to recognize possible CP. It's easy (and is being done right now) to check the hash of a file against a database of known CP file hashes. But that kind of neural net would never (imo) be trained only on a dataset of file hashes labeled "CP" and "not CP", because the contents of most hashes has very little to do with the contents of the file (to an extent that it causes shitstorms when a hash turns out to correspond more then desired, see MD5 and recently SHA1).

Yahoo did release an ML model designed to recognize NSFW images. Recently (past six months? Year?) someone trained a NN (maybe working from Yahoo's thing?) to recognize various porn genres to the extent that it could automatically tag videos pretty accurately. On mobile or I would try to look it up and link you.

Just realized I missed something - to be explicit, my understanding is that one would NEED to train one's NN on actual samples of CP for it to be worth anything.

This raises moral questions of course, and nobody wants to be sitting on a massive dataset of CP. That's likely another reason why hashing approaches are popular - you can save all the hashes after a raid, destroy the originals, and be happy.

Wtf i like google now.

Yes. Has direct access to the Ethernet controller.

>nobody wants to be sitting on a massive dataset of CP
Doesn't the FBI have a database of it?

Yeah, but the FBI doesnt sit on it.

It's even watermarked and distributed so they can trace it back to the source.

This is the kinda shit that makes the pro privacy anti spying movement look bad. Fuck this faggot

Yes. They distribute it.

Yes. The future will be rife with planting evidence that incriminates users. You get into someone's router, distribute some popular cp and they're getting a knock on the door.

It's bad enough in other ways now. The left can accuse you of rape and ruin your life and the right accuses you of being a pedi and ruins your life.

They can spoof it so it looks like it came directly from your device. Imagine if someone could make themselves look exactly like you, then they commit a crime they know you'll get caught for where you have no alibi. What can you possibly do about it?

Stop being paranoid.

this. why would the NSA even want to go after you? your not doing anything wrong are you?

Good lock up the pedo.

but what a about fathers and family photos it rasies moral questions as machines can't tell between sex , gender, mothers or fathers and its a very primitive AI even now.

Yes this is a AI question.
Also flaws in the AI are present and essaibated by forcing the AI to block out common words like IF, THE, A and other joining words that can change the contex of a image.

I don't like juinor AI working IRL to be a serious cyber crime fighter on its own.
Although I know this is the way of the future but AI needs to be smarter before like this type of crime fighting , I want it to catch the real crims not vanuble fathers and caregivers

that said I see AI going along way.

That;s bullshit. Why don't you do it right now. Plant some evidence on my pc, pls.

See? Not that easy, huh. You don't know my IP.

That poster is not a 3 letter agency.

The only thing currently protecting innocent people right now is a lack of competency in the government.

They probably use hashes of known child pornography that they get from the FBI and automatically check uploaded pictures or videos.

I hardly think they'd manually look through everything people upload.

I believe that they get the hashes from NCMEC, which works with the FBI to categorize CP and then maintains a database of hashes that they can distribute to cloud providers, isp, etc.

One of NCMEC's biggest tasks is categorizing whether CP from new investigations is actually new, or part of older sets, and helping to identify victims and abusers.

Also, since hashes are easily changed, I believe most large cloud providers are now using Microsoft's PhotoDNA which can identify images even after they've gone through color shift or cropping.

I know that MS, Google, and FB are all using PhotoDNA.

This is scary desu, not making excuses for the guy allegedly did but still

who's this guy?

...

Joe

>Be third worlder
>Using Windows
>Watch CP everyday without a VPN, even using Google as my search engine to search for CP because over here, CP websites are being hosted publicly
>Never goes to jail because the government too busy counting money and having sex with prostitute to give a shit

LAND OF FREEDOM™

conor mcgregor, the CHAMP CHAMP!

google's not retarted, it plainly said uploaded from his IP to his google photos. I'd assume there was a login history from that IP, so when they see CP uploaded from it they know it was him. They track that shit enough to know if it was actually you or not. An imposter would have to not only spoof his IP, and by extension location, but also know his login credentials and have it not show up as a different computer to google's servers which track that. The amount of effort for that would require this dude to have bad enough enemies that he did something way the fuck worse than CP in the first place.

fuck off Zaccari

you can't find cp with google

Yes I can, not by typing "CP website" in the search bar, more like typing to domain name.

Regardless, enjoy your fake "freedom" Americucks

which country? If Brazil, you're probably fucked, Federal Police here is very effective against pedros.

>hash matching
>draw one black pixel onto a corner
>hacked

You know that goggle is libel if they don't report that shit, right?

No, I'm not from Brazil

I also heard there's Chinese cp in youtube
what the fuck Google, clean your servers

youtube.com/watch?v=pOkfcmC4MpA

LOL

Microsoft does this also.
There was a story recently where employees who had to search though all of the pictures were suing microsoft because they got PTSD or some shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if most of the major tech companies did this honestly.
And I'm pretty sure Sup Forums will report you if you fucking upload CP.

WHy you little... !!

Google, FB, Microsoft all do this. They have both automated systems, primarily PhotoDNA, for detecting cp, and then manual examination as well.

Moot said in a Q&A once that Sup Forums maintains a hash list of cp they get from NCMEC and that any new cp is automatically reported to NCMEC. If you try and post an image that's already on the hash list you are auto banned without the pic even making it to the thread.

>people on a tech board are okay with people being jailed for possession of images and videos

Yeah fuck the first amendment right!?

There is absolutely zero way that criminalizing digital content and giving up our rights could ever go wrong!

I'm very conflicted on this issue myself. On the one hand I tend to be somewhat of a free speech absolutist, on the other I can see the harm and continued victimization that cp can cause to its victims.

It wasn't possession, he distributed.

Then you're not conflicted and you're not a absolutist. Don't call yourself an absolutist if you aren't one.

Multiple studies already suggest lower rates of harm when people are allowed outlets and possession.

So? Even still possession is illegal as well. But neither should be to stay true to the first amendment.

>multiple studies

Stupid frogposter. There has already been shown a correlation between porn access and lower rates of abuse, by very nature it's difficult to be too objective with such baseless things that involve vague tertiary effects.

Regardless there is certainly nothing suggesting that the witch Hunt you idiots put out and the negative effects to liberty have any positive effects.

Now go back to plebbit you dumb frog nigger cunt.

>skateboarding on the grass
who the fuck skateboards on grass?
t. skaterfag

I do agree with you somewhat (not really) but still, it was distribution. It wasn't like the pedo patrol kicked in his door and ransacked his VHS collection he fucking offered it up.

Distribution could literally be he uploaded a video to gain access to a site and others download it.


If you think that warrants prison then you aren't only not an absolutionist but you are borderline police statist.

Just so you know you're talking to someone else here. I'm the one that said I was an absolutist, although I prefaced it with somewhat.

Well I can't tell it's all anonymous here but my point still stands.

You also said (not really) so I just assumed you were being smart.

>by very nature it's difficult to be too objective with such baseless things that involve vague tertiary effects.

I'm not the same dude.

I think child porn laws are fucked to hell. Nobody should do a year for a fucking manga.

I think cp should be illegal, but the laws need reworked.

Np m8. Also, the not really post wasn't me either. Kinda wish we had IDs here to keep track of these convos.

>Can't even reply
>Talking about abuse that may or may not magically been caused by porn access is not vague

Kill yourself already no argument frog posting retard.

>I think cp should be illegal

Then you do not support the first amendment or internet freedom.

The not really was in your post mate. You said you prefaced it with somewhat and your post says somewhat (not really)

What?

Back to /r/the_donald kid

Or they can just put you in a black van without involving other parties.