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re-writing the iso to the USB right now, I will try this if it happens again.
Jeremiah Sullivan
Can you do 3d animation in linux?
Xavier Young
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Christian Jones
blender
Nicholas Reed
fc -l 1 | awk '{CMD[$2]++;count++;}END { for (a in CMD)print CMD[a] " " CMD[a]/count*100 "% " a;}' | grep -v "./" | column -c3 -s " " -t | sort -nr | nl | head -n20
Christopher Wilson
there's no reason, it's simply cool we are basically using linux for fun in our VMs i recommend trying arch linux
Chase Sanders
>someone knows about and uses nl I like you.
Nathan Russell
Yeah I recently discovered it along with shuf. Great tools.
Nicholas Clark
Not really a command, but I recently discovered that you can double the speed of shell scripts when disabling unicode support by using: export LC_ALL=C When you sort and grep a lot, you get nice, fast results.
Nathaniel Thompson
>nouveau shits itself have you tried nonfree video drivers?
Connor Lopez
>grep 'mainPhoto' | grep -Po '(?
Nathaniel Collins
It doesn't work >xargs: feh: no such file or directory
Samuel Powell
>Friendly GNU/Linux Thread
Friendly how? What's friendly about it? You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but friendly how, I mean friendly like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean friendly, friendly how? How is it friendly? You said it's friendly. How the fuck is it friendly, what the fuck is so friendly about linux? Tell me, tell me what's friendly!
Samuel Lopez
install feh
Luke Powell
_______________________________ < How can Windows even compete? > ------------------------------- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\_______ (__)\ )\/\ ||----w | || ||
Adrian Hall
Friendly means, instead of having fun of winbabbies for their cuckoldy, we help them to get uncucked.
see or use gsettings or whatever wallpaper setter your de uses
Charles Allen
Holy shit. Divides the time grep -ri takes on kernel sources by 15. Incredible. Tempted to turn it into a global alias but then one day I'll probably need to grep for a unicode character and won't understand why it doesn't work.
Asher King
>to get uncucked when was the last time you watched a good movie. cuckboi?
why would I ever risk breaking my system by upgrading the kernel?
Charles Sanders
unless there's an important performance upgrade, security patch or hardware compatibility update there's no reason to
>redpill fuck off back to Sup Forumseddit
Christopher Russell
Because sometimes your kernel has bugs that let attackers take control of your kernel by sending you a simple udp packet.
Gabriel Stewart
it can, but must be prefixed with http www.something doesnt work
Cooper Allen
I would say because they refactor and improve existing code making it more stable and perform better, but I've heard people say this is rarely done and that some parts of the kernel are kind of hacky (even Linus himself admitted it).
Realistically only reasons is newer hardware support or adds a new feature you must have.
Jordan Stewart
perl -e '$_+=.1,`sleep 0.05`,print $"x(25+20*sin).qq{|\n} while 1'
Jordan Sanchez
Alright boys, I need opinions here.
One of my workmates gave me his laptop because he complained about it being slow, so I tried installing Win7 Home Premium on it, but for whatever reason explorer crashes everytime I try to bring up the desktop. Poor thing has only 1 gig ram and an old single core intel CPU. I tried checking out what Linux distros might make this thing salvageable. I'm leaning towards Lubuntu, but honestly all I need is something that can run Wine for Office and firefox.
Zachary Robinson
>boys I'm a girl
Jeremiah Watson
Maybe related. I just upgraded to 4.9.22 today, rebooted and everything was fine. Shortly after that I installed enlightenment, when I logged out of xfce and into enlightenment I got a blank screen, couldn't access tty or anything and had to do a hard shutdown and when I rebooted It wouldn't even boot to the point that I couldn't even access tty. So I chrooted into it and removed enlightenment and all of the dependencies it pulled and booted into it and it was still fucked up. I just reinstalled and kept /home and am upgrading the kernel again at the moment. I'm curious, since it rebooted fine the first time I suspect that the kernel is fine. I just can't imagine how enlightenment would have fucked my install like that especially since it persisted after I removed it. Okay it's done, I'm going to reboot a couple of times. I'll report back.
James Green
Lubuntu isn't bad, but I'd recommend installing Ubuntu GNU/Linux instead. It's the very best babbies first distro.
Henry Jenkins
>Wine for Office Who forces you to use Office in 2017? I want to send hatemail.
Matthew Richardson
how can I have printf ignore code indentation so that it all shows left justified? printf " words words words words words words"
Dylan Murphy
>1 gig ram >firefox
can firefox even run with 1gig of ram anymore?
Jack Clark
First of all, that's not how to use printf. printf isn't echo, use its features, which is primary string formatting:
printf -- '%s\n' "$(somecommand)"
That said, what does the input look like and how should the output look like?
Dylan Reyes
wanted to upgrade to 4.10 today
thank you for convincing me not to
Nolan Morales
sed 's/^\s\+//'
Hudson Phillips
I'm worried about GNOME eating too much RAM tho, Lubuntu is generally recommended for low RAM computers from what I've seen, but I don't want to go too low and Puppy it up. I don't want to mess around too much with patching some DE over Ubuntu He asked for Office, I can't give him LibreOffice, I'm not that cruel.
Austin Torres
>1 gig ram puppy, the tahr version (based on ubuntu). b l a z i n g fucking fast
Caleb Smith
If Arch is meant to be simple, why does it use systemd?
Luke Powell
Arch is meant to be simple for the developers, which systemd is.
Zachary Powell
Okay. I did a full shutdown and start twice. So the new kernel is fine and the only thing I altered after that was adding the following packages: Packages (8) bullet-2.86-1 efl-1.18.4-1 libraw-0.18.2-1 libxp-1.0.3-1 luajit-2.0.4-2 openjpeg-1.5.2-1 printproto-1.0.5-3 enlightenment-0.21.3-1
Now I chrooted into it and removed them and it was still broken. Was enlightenment the culprit or was it a coincidence? Anyone have an idea how I could've fixed it?
Christian Robinson
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mis take in your post. Luckily, the users of Sup Forums are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
-------------------- Arch has always been a simple distribution in terms of the developer perspective, not the user one. Using systemd made it simpler than ever in that regard because much more work is taken care of by both the systemd developers and all of the projects shipping unit files.
It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible.
It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken, as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't strive to offer choices like this, and never has. It would mean a *lot* more complexity on the development side of things along with major deviations from upstream.
Arch is the *opposite* of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity.
> it is not simple, not minimalist, and not user-centric.
Certainly not minimalist, but those other two claims are questionable.
Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc. --------------------
Andrew Gonzalez
Arch is nice, the problem is simply that people fall for the KISS and minimalism memes.
Levi Perez
whats nice about it?
John Young
perl -e '$_+=.1,`sleep 0.05`,print $"x(25+20*sin).qq{|\n}.$"x(25-20*sin).qq{|\n} while 1'
I like how stable and how everything works smoothly in Debian stable, but the software is outdated. I miss some convenient features in new versions. Should I move to Debian testing? Are security updates a big problem?
Luis Cooper
the concept of "security update" doesn't exist on testing.
ubuntu lts is debian testing with security updates
Ryan Green
>I miss some convenient features in new versions. List 5 examples, otherwise youre talking out of your ass.
4 pieces of software can easily be rebuiilt/repackaged for newer versions
Mason Edwards
python2 -c $'import math, sys, time\nio = sys.stdout.write\nw = 0; t = [i for i in "***** +++ "]\nwhile 1:\n print ""\n for i in range(int(math.floor(math.sin(w)*20+20))): io(" ")\n for i in range(10): io(t[i])\n t_=t.pop()\n t.insert(0,t_)\n w+=.1\n time.sleep(.025)'
Asher Hernandez
They don't split packages from upstream and they tend to not patch them either unless absolutely necessary. Unlike other distributions some of which like to dip their fingers into everything for some reason, which in my experience seems unnecessary and causes problems. Debian comes to mind. Of course people will argue with me over this but I've compared Debian stretch to Arch stable on the same machine and Debian is full of bugs while Arch just works. Since package dates are similar (not during the freeze anyways) I can only gather that it's because they are patch happy.
Guys, I've tried installing Slackware on my new desktop with NVME drive so many times over the past week that I probably shortened its lifespan. I can't get it to boot. Tried LILO, ELILO, formatting the EFT partition to FAT before trying those things again. Pls send help
Angel Peterson
>Should I move to Debian testing? Yes
Nolan Bennett
systemd linux-image mesa gnome qbittorrent
that's five.
Isaac Butler
arch is a stepping stone
Hudson Taylor
Debian is eternally fucked because they went all-in on 1000% free software
as soon as anything you or they want is non-free, everything is fucked
You're confusing Fedora with Debian idiot. Fedora can't ship with non-free software because they (Red Hat) would be an easy target for patent trolls (e.g. MPEG).
Aaron Barnes
>http >when Let's Encrypt is free
David Allen
better performance, better settings, better features xD
Elijah Mitchell
>xD
Ethan Wright
How will upgrading these packages change the user experience at all? >Gnome Yeah you'll get the gnome recipes app a little earlier oh and the redshift thing. Def upgrade bro. >mesa MAYBE you'll get some better performance but I doubt it would be noticable.
The rest?
No they didn't. They maintain a non free repo also. They don't have an excuse. Personally I saw bugs from only the libre packages.
Matthew Allen
free of what?
Noah Murphy
>You're confusing Fedora with Debian idiot. Fedora can't ship with non-free software because they (Red Hat) would be an easy target for patent trolls (e.g. MPEG). Neither ship with non free repos enabled and it doesn't matter anyways because they both maintain non free repos. Whether they ship with the repo(s) added or not is irrelevant.
Gavin Williams
>suggesting nonfree software and then people cry why debian isnt a fsf approves distro
Michael Johnson
You don't know what you're talking about. Debian has non-free and contrib repos. Fedora has only free repos. Do not respond to my posts any more.