IN

IN
>people keep their jobs
>nothing changes. nice.

OUT
>People lose jobs
>Speculative finance completely ruins our economy
>Tories bypass EU human rights laws so they can shit on disabled and poor people more.

So why is this a thing again?

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>OUT
>People lose jobs

Why?

Those employed by the UK for working for the EU, jobs in and out of the UK whose contracts rely on trade deals.

because muh ancient powerful nation doesn't need a sissy union

Trade and fewer investments

Plus lot of comapnies are based in London as centrale for whole EU

Frankfurt would be very happy

I'm wondering what will happen to those.

I guess the vacated houses would be nice for our pretty much middle-class-only housing market.

IN
>continue having unelected foreign bureaucrats dictate our laws
>continue to allow any pole, romanian or "german", enter our borders and put yet more pressure on the housing and job market of working class communities, no questions asked
>have rediculous quotas and regulations imposed on small British businesses, creating yet more artificial monopolies within the EU
>continue giving more of our tax payers money to the EU than we get back
OUT
>some uni students can't be payed straight from the pockets of tax payers go to france for 6 months to shag around and learn less than they would if they'd just bloody stayed here boohoo :c

So why is this a thing again?

I would like to see a United States of Europe and a United States of Southeast Asia before I die

maybe a United States of United States afterwards tbqh

We would continue to trade with Europe. You all need our trade more than we need you.

We would certainly continue to have investment considering how much our economy will be booming when we leave.

>in
>same shit keeps happening

>out
>new same shit happens

Out sounds better.

>continue to allow any pole, romanian or "german", enter our borders and put yet more pressure on the housing and job market of working class communities, no questions asked

This point is completely ironic. There's nothing stopping British people from doing this in another country. We're just too strung-up on the fact that we're too much of a proud nation to have to force ourself to immigrate to work, while those "poles Romanians or "Germans"" have more or less faced the fact that their own country does jack shit for them and actually have some courage to leave their homes and families to work.

If we vote to leave then the Scots will leave the UK. keep our island united and vote remain

>allying with Flips and Viets

It's like you want to be fucked.

There's a reason we don't have a united states of North America.

Yes, i'm sure losing (free) access to a market of hundreds of millions won't hurt much. I honestly hope Brits will leave just to see what happens next.

Why are the Scots so willing to be servile to the EU?

Are scare tactics all remain has?

>We would continue to trade with Europe
Ah yes, the "Norway option".

I guess you don't really want to leave EU, you just want the blue flags gone :^)

why don't you shut the fuck up, Trevor? I swear to Jesus Rodriguez of Nazareth I will fucking cut you.

>If we vote to leave then the Scots will leave the UK.

If Westminster is giving away less to Brussels, can't it give away more to Edinburgh? I don't see how Scotland's welfare payments would be at all at risk.

What's your point here? The fact that because we can do the same its ok? Because it's not.
I'm Scottish and no we won't. This is an SNP scare tactic to scare Scottish unionists into voting remain. The fact of the matter is that a second referendum was not included in the SNP manifesto this year, not to mention the fact that they are a minority government in the Scottish Parliament with the Tories as their main opposition.
You don't need to have a free trade deal to have free trade. Why would a country that needs our trade place tarriffs on us? Because they're butthurt we left? Maybe, if they are so petty.

Booming economy? Hm

But yeah, it would be intersting...

I just wish that UK would have some balls and try to reform EU from inside instead of complaing 24/7

Lot of countries would follow UK as a leader(czechia, poland etc.) in EU instead of Germany

You aren't funny Burma.

>nothing changes

And that is the worst possible scenario.

Norway seems to be doing pretty well. Why is a "Norway option" unfavourable?

The Tories wouldn't put any more into welfare even if they had the 18 billion from Brussells.

The first thing they'd do is rebuild the houses of parliament, then throw a huge dinner party (with some crack for George Osbourne) and then finally build that Margaret Thatcher museum they're planning.

The only EU I'd take would be a trade agreement and nothing more. The fact they have such a grasp on everything everywhere here is horrible and quite frankly I see no chance of them ever changing.

Well sadly trade deals are not just pure math but also politics and some countries would imho try to punish UK

But what would happened with city and all these corporate centrals? They will move to Germany or Ireland

You woild lost a lot of good paying jobs and easy money

Trade agreements in the 21st century are about regulatory harmonization, not tariffs. Unless the EU member states plan on withdrawing from the World Trade Organization, instituting trade barriers with the UK post-Brexit would be legally impossible—and, more importantly, pointless. It's all well and good to claim that Europe's going to intentionally cut off trade with the UK if Great Britain leaves the EU, that's surely an effective tactic to increase support for Remain, but in an actual post-referendum environment wherein Leave has won, there would be no practical purpose.

You would be a country that left the EU, i don't think they'd negotiate a free trade deal, at least not until relations normalized.

Ah yes, very impressive. These are some very nice facts and opinions.

I'm #StrongerIn now!

sorry

The practical purpose would be to make an example out of the UK.

The reason why Norway is not in EU are fishing quotas(Iceland too)

So UK will pay fees for membership in EFTA to EU and still will must implement all regualation from Brussel(this time without any voice)

Don't really care about benefits desu.

For whatever reason none of our politicians really give a shit about EU politics, just want them to leave us alone and trade.

>You don't need to have a free trade deal to have free trade. Why would a country that needs our trade place tarriffs on us? Because they're butthurt we left? Maybe, if they are so petty.
This is not a civilisation game where trade treaty is just one click of a button lad. Tariffs are one thing, and due to WTO obligations you can't really have free trade without a free trade deal, but then there's also regulatory non-tariff barriers that are barriers to trade. EU, EEA and majority of regulation these carry with them are exactly this - common standards and obligation to acknowledge certifications of other members, and if you break apart from this, you are saying that producers need to incur extra costs in order to sell in your market.
It's not an insurmountable obstacle, but it is an obstacle, and there's nothing "petty" about it.

That isn't a practical purpose because it isn't practically achievable, for the reasons I just outlined (chiefly the existence of the WTO). The worst the EU could possibly do is not sign any further agreements with the UK, which would a) be mutually harmful and b) laughably petty.

They don't get to vote in EU institutions but are still forced to adopt substantial part of the regulations that allow them to participate in the common market.

It's not unfavourable but they are not significantly more "sovereign" than regular EU members. They are still bound by a lot of treaties.

Actually members of EFTA have the liberty of refusing certain regulations, something we don't have in the EU.
An obstacle to overcome but a necessary obstacle for our sovereignty back.
They'd all leave a less regulated nation where they could potentially make a larger profit and spend a huge amount of money moving all their assets as well as hiring an entirely new workforce? Likely.

It's just an outcry of apathy and laziness. Those immigrants who are apparently a drain on our resources are more accepting of taking shit jobs than the average British NEET wouldn't even think to apply to.

They're not forced. They have the liberty of refusal. Get your facts right.

Again, what's your point? Let's just have unlimited immigration so we can have an army of polish McDonald's staff in our country when there is still a large unemployment rate? It doesn't matter if you think they don't have a job because they can't be arsed, there are many people that are genuinely struggling to find a job.

>brits forgetting that they have 53 member states in a commonwealth with them, and which are willing to trade with them and offer a far more diverse market than europoors
fuck why was democracy invented

>An obstacle to overcome but a necessary obstacle for our sovereignty back.
If that's what you believe, lad.

To be honest, as I'm watching the news and watch all the politicians at home and abroad exhibit approximately zero intent on cooperating towards common good, I'm beginning to think that EU doesn't deserve anything better than to fall apart and fade into a clusterfuck of bickering bureaucracies at perpetual trade wars with each others.

Yeah, and they generally have large unemployment in a lot of EU countries, particularly amongst 19-30 year olds. Only thing is, British people just don't want to immigrate, even though they have the language advantage.

Yeah, so does Switzerland have liberty to end their bilateral treaties and so does UK have liberty to Vote Leave.
Doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do, or that they will do it, just that they're free to do so if they so choose.

>must implement all regualation from Brussel

There are a few issues with this, and the first is that you've conflated the EFTA with the EEA. EEA countries need to follow (most) EU legislation. EFTA countries, of which the only exclusive member is currently Switzerland, do not. The Swiss option would be preferable to the whims of the UK than the Norwegian option. Bilateral agreements are better both for national sovereignty and trade interests that bloc agreements.

Second issue: even with the Norwegian option, the asterisks attached to which EU legislation needs to be followed are worth more for EEA members' economies than the membership fees entailed in being a party to the EEA. It isn't just fishing legislation that EEA members are immune from; you'd be right to assume that Liechtenstein doesn't have much of a significant fishing industry, yet it has for some odd reason remained in the EEA for 56 years. There is a lot more EU legislation that EEA members are exempt from than merely fishing quotas.\

>Tariffs are one thing, and due to WTO obligations you can't really have free trade without a free trade deal

What on Earth are you talking about? You seem to have an idea of what the WTO is that is completely divorced from reality. WTO members can't NOT have free trade with one another, at least as far as tariffs and other formal, conventional trade barriers are concerned. Yes, non-tariff barriers can be a significant hindrance to trade—as I said before, most trade agreements nowadays are about regulatory harmonization. That does change the fact that there is no fiscal or economic impetus for the EU to engage in intentionally anti-trade policies following Brexit.

>Britbongs not supporting brexit
Wew lad

We are OUT

Doesn't matter, EU is shit.

Ride on perfidious Albion

*That doesn't change the fact

You had me supporting IN until the last point. I hate the disabled.

But if the Scots leave the UK you'll have to change your flag

This. I have much more in common too with you, a Canadian than I do with any Latvian or Bulgarian.

Best of all, commonwealth free trade would be on our terms. Meaning it can be a trade deal and nothing more.
Maybe they don't want to leave their own fucking country because Lithuanians have taken all the jobs? Your argument here has no basis.
They can refuse EU regulation and continue to trade with EFTA. Whether they do or not is their business.
I'd be all for the EU if it were still what it set out to do, be a free trade agreement. It's become a monster.

Last time I checked WTO was not a free trade agreement itself. Obligations its members have is to have as low tariffs with each other as they have with their most favoured country, but actual free trade agreements are not covered by this.

By (free) you mean £12billion last year?
Yes

I think I would like to see Brexit but it's unlikely.

Indeed.

>I'd be all for the EU if it were still what it set out to do, be a free trade agreement. It's become a monster.

I agree. European cooperation should be made less transparent and buried under more red tape. More of it should be hidden under multiple intergovernmental treaties nobody will ever read and without a single label national politicians will be able to lay all blame on.

Actually, we're at a language disadvantage RE foreign employment. They all speak ours.. We don't speak theres.

Vote OUT!!

>tfw scare campaign has been going on too long for out to win
>tfw im going to have to see Farrage's sad, dissapointed face
Fuck you britbongs

>tfw even if we did vote Brexit they would likely hold another referendum which returns remain like they did in France and Ireland after they voted no to the Lisbon treaty

>They all speak ours
So we have an advantage.

If I'm from Albania I'm in deep shit if I want to work in Italy. If I can speak English I can work practically everywhere in Europe.

Well if we don't vote leave I'm beginning plans to go to your fucking country then cunt so be ready for a few extra poms.

Yes, because you'll be allowed to speak English in the workplace. In fact, you won't even get employed. How naive are you?

Unless it's a highly specialist job, think IT or banking; outside of NL - possibly Scandinavia - you're basically fucked.

I'm not who you replied to but they fucking don't all speak ours. Our language is the most learnt in the EU but could you fuck survive in a country with no knowledge of the language.

We are at the disadvantage. More of them (but not all of them) know our language and so come here. We know no languages and so don't fucking move.

Either way, your point is null. Just because they speak English doesn't make them British and doesn't give them any priority over our own.

Sounds good mate, get ready for cold beer and nice weather

English is pretty widespread in Europe dude. There are plenty of jobs that require bilingual people or companies that are more than willing to have someone who can speak english natively.

>Tories bypass EU human rights laws so they can shit on disabled and poor people more.
does this actually happen or is it just liberal code for not giving money to people simply for existing?

But we are not bilingual, "dude"

Yes, the point this original poster man made is VERY valid. As soon as we leave the EU the UK will scrap all of our human rights, we will enslave the working class and purge the disabled. Throw the poofs off buildings and burn lesbos at the stake insha'allah. We will also pump pure sulphur dioxide into the sky en masse just to piss off those bloody green benders.

Would be a nice change from dreary, dour Perth.

Not your Perth. The original Perth that is.

that sounds absolutely wonderful up until that last part.

£12 billion is the cost of direct transfers from Westminster to Brussels. The EU costs the British economy an order of magnitude more in economic costs affecting private industry (which in turn reduces Westminster's fiscal capacity by the taxable amount of the lost economic activity).

>Obligations its members have is to have as low tariffs with each other as they have with their most favoured country

The WTO's membership obligations are to render each member-state each other member-state's most favoured nation, effectively meaning that preferential tariffs cannot legally exist. The EU, after Brexit, could not impose any legislation that is specifically harmful to trade with the UK. If Brussels wanted to punish an independent United Kingdom for leaving the European Union, the EU and its member-states would either need to withdraw from the World Trade Organization or intentionally sabotage trade between itself and every country in the world that isn't in the EEA. It would be the equivalent of standing ten feet from someone you hate, turning away from them and shooting yourself in the head, in the hopes that the bullet will pass through your skull and maybe wing the fellow you're angry at.

Sounds pretty badass desu
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Your emotional bullshit and hyperboles aside, I never even once said that EU would purposefully introduce punitive tariffs against UK, however in absence of free trade agreement it would have the most favoured nation tariffs against it by default, on top of the non-tariff barriers.

That's really just a hypothetical situation that will not come to pass since even in event of UK deciding to leave it would negotiate participation in the common market.

At any rate, good night to you, lad. Don't let your hatred sour your life.

where in his post or any of them along the reply chain did you get emotional bullshit or hatred from?

>continue having unelected foreign bureaucrats dictate our laws
implying our shitty politicians are any better
>continue to allow any pole, romanian or "german", enter our borders and put yet more pressure on the housing and job market of working class communities, no questions asked
we are going to be stormed by immigrants anyway. Its our government that needs to to stop it but they dont and Europeans are probably the best immigrants

nothing will happen anyway to the average person

>there are literally brits out there who dont want to MBGA

The nice thing about shitty politicians is that you can get rid of them. They're accountable. If a group of politicians makes awful decisions, you can decide not to vote for them next time. If a particular person makes a shitty decision, the members of his constituency can vote him out, and remember his name in case he tries something again.

When your laws are written by people working for the public ministry, rather than public ministers, they're completely unaccountable. You have no idea which bureaucrats or group thereof tried to pass a law banning the flag of England, and no idea if the innocuous looking bill being debated the next day that "imposes boundaries on the display of potentially racist symbols" was actually written by the same anti-English fanatic trying to go at it again. Bills shouldn't just be given a 'Yes' or a 'No' by the legislature, they should be written IN the legislature so that those who draft them can be accountable themselves. The fact that MEPs in Lativa and Romania vote on issues relating to the UK (and vice versa) is questionable enough on its own, but to have which issues are brought up in the first place be decided upon by bald public servants you've never heard of is so much worse.

So why haven't you got rid of Trudeau yet?

The tories have been shit since 2010 and we somehow elected them again.

Why do alt.rights support brexit? You import Polish and Romanian toilet cleaners now. Without EU you would import Indians and Pakis again. I thought alt.rights are pretty racist and prefer poles, or am I wrong?

In
>people lose their jobs to migration
>wages go down due to massive oversaturation of the jobs market
>house prices go up due to high demand and low supply
>education prices go up due to high demand and low supply
>more laws are made by unelected members of the european commission and less by our own government
>we are more connected to the awful european economy and the dreadful euro and less connected to other more successful ones due to not having many trade agreements due to eu laws

Out
>scary but unproven things might happen

hard decision

Your argument doesnt follow

Would like to see United States of Eurasia: Ex USSR + China + Mongolia + Iran

He was elected less than a year ago.

There are a few reasons. The first is that the people you're referring to aren't as racist as you think. They care more about culture than blood. They want people to speak English first and foremost and also to contribute to society, not to be a common ancestor of theirs.

Second, even with EU membership, the UK still imports people from the developing world. And while their proportion might increase some amount after Brexit, the total number of migrants would also certainly decrease.

tl;dr UKIP isn't the BNP

Okay, but as far as I can see Brits don't like Indians and pakis (or are that just a memes?). Brits have VERY strict immigration laws now so people coming from outside the EU are only a tiny minority of people attempted or moreover willing to move to UK. Without influx of poles they would jus loose these laws so tons of Pakis, Indians, Russians, Turks etc would come and I bet that Russian culture, not mentioning Pakis, is way more foreign to Brits than Polish.

What matters is if the migrant has the skills to provide a service to the nation that we require, nothing else matters. I'd rather have a paki/pooinloo doctor/engineer than 100,000 Polish toilet cleaners that leech off benefits.

But the problem is that you import them all. You would have paki doctors together with paki toilet cleaners. I mean, if your brexit was followed with remaining these laws the same, it would be okay, you would just loose all the poles (btw, do you have people to replace them? would a chav clean toilets instead of pole). But the problem is if you would be unable to replace poles with your own low class people than government would loose the laws and you would get an influx of pooinloo toilet cleaners.

What are the odds of Brits voting out? I haven't heard of any polls recently