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State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
Currently worthwhile CPUs: >G4560 for budget builds (i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to i7 >No R5 1400 unless discounted >i7-6700k is good but pricey. If over budget: consider locked 7700; not chasing 4.8Ghz+ capable when you weren't gonna overclock, or get R5 >Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck) >R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use
Currently worthwhile GFX cards: >RX470 , RX480, 1070, 1080, 1080TI >1060 is worth considering over a 480 if same/cheaper in your country, or you just play games it's better on for the price. 1050Ti is for mITX builds >470 is all you need for 1080p >Wait for RX 580 in a few days >Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm >Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than RX470, unless price/performance is better (discounted/used) >Vega comes in May
General: >No brand/model loyalty. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't worth it just for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Save money w/ mATX case/mobo, and if patient by purchasing your parts individually in flash sales
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how do i know which ram works best with my motherboard?
Xavier Hughes
Check the manufacuter's website.
Daniel Myers
Anyone have any suggestions for a cube-sized case for a mATX mobo like pic related? Thinking of getting it for my first build.
Ian Powell
Or this one, just for reference.
Carter Turner
Is there a way I could improve this without raising the cost, or even better- lowering it?
I asked for advice here a couple weeks ago, and while checking on my list last week I realised that the build wasn't compatible at all, so I had to change a few parts. I decided to go all out and get the i7-7700k, too. Still not sure if the build is any good, and I'd hate to order everything just to find out that the parts don't fit together or finding out that I had better options.
Logan Edwards
>Wait for RX 580 in a few days Update the OP. They are out already and 50€ more expensive and have higher power consumption than the RX 480 without any performance advantage.
Owen Phillips
No thread up so I panicked and copied the OP from the previous. Next guy can make those changes.
Alexander Cox
Drop the K for the CPU and either get a Ryzen or an i5. Get an SSD with the money you saved and get higher frequency RAM if you can. I would suggest a modular PSU as well.
Daniel Thomas
Posted already but some more feedback does not hurt I guess
>germoney >decent "allrounder" >some gaming (1080p) >programming >surfing >budget around 800 euros, want to push it lower if possible >should last for 7-8 years like my current prebuilt pc
I'm aware that amd released the rx580 today. Maybe the prices for the rx 480 will drop enough to buy that one instead.
Christopher Clark
>more expensive Really? RX580 8GB is actually slighty cheaper than RX480 8GB. At least in my country.
Hunter Collins
>ps in the bottom Thermally suboptimal and risky for several reasons (eg.: water in the floor, dust, etc)
Jayden Edwards
okay the rx 580 and 570 are released. If I'm not interested in 1440p gaming should I even consider the 580? The 570 seems to be rather cheap at 199 euros. I'm still waiting for comparisons between the rx4xx and rx5xx series.
Xavier Martinez
>Drop the K for the CPU and either get a Ryzen or an i5
I was told this before, too, but wouldn't the i7-7700k be better in the long run? I'm not planning on changing anything for a few(5+) years, so I'd like my CPU to last and be good for a while. Also Ryzen seems to be meant more for workstation computers, and I'm not sure if that's what I'll need/ use enough to actually appreciate it.
Noted on the last points, although I'm not quite sure where I can check the RAM frequency.
Thanks for the help!
Evan Bennett
Bleh im stuck between waiting for am4 mITX board and going the z170 route. what do?
Yes thats an mATX ziptied to chassis. Yes its safe, i have white plastic film behind it so it doesnt sudoku itself.
David Thompson
You should be fine with a mid-tier Intel or Ryzen platform in that case, though you would be safer with getting an 8-core 1600 or 1600X since more cores will last you longer. Ryzen CPUs do fine on gaming as well and I haven't seen any large problems being reported in regards to Ryzen and gaming (besides the RAM OCing issues)
Brayden Davis
Why do people build SLI systems with motherboards which don't allow even a single slot between the cards for breathing room? The top card gets hot anyway, just having some room is essentially a significant and free cooling upgrade, without extra ventilation and noise at all.
Dylan Lopez
What makes Ryzen different from the old 6 core and 8 core chips from before? Why didn't we see a rise in 8c games when the affordable chips were available?
Jackson Russell
>I'm not planning on changing anything for a few(5+) years >goes for 4 cores
Jose Mitchell
Is Freesync/Gsync worth the premium? I'm looking to upgrade to a 144hz monitor from an 11 year old 1080@60 1080p panel and don't know how worthwhile it is.
If I pick up a 1080p/1440p 144hz monitor without it, will I notice in AAA games?
Logan Powell
What brands of liquid coolers should I look for/avoid?
Angel Flores
I'm on a tight budget and can't afford a rx470. Is it really not worth buying something below that? Would an integrated graphics card run a game like dota 2 for example?
Xavier Hughes
>That sag How fucking heavy are those GPUs?
Carter Bennett
Depends on the price. If a RX470/570 is like 199€ and a RX480/570 like 229€ both are good options. The RX480/580 usually comes with a better cooler, too, so value is roughly the same. Whatever you do, stay away from RX580 cards that need more than 1x8pin, they have the same power draw as a 1080 which is just stupid. Also 8GB is mostly useless for you, don't buy unless it's a XFX RX480 GTR on sale, that card is awesome.
Adrian Cook
Damn, the AMD ryzen bundle deal is over at microcenter, might as well just buy a cheap 4790K for my Z97 mobo.
Samuel Diaz
get a fractal design node 804. way better case.
Charles Howard
Unfortunately I don't know a thing about cores or what they do/if they're all that important.
and so far the only thing that stood out to me was that the 8 cores are only beneficial to people who have a lot of programs open at the same time, correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
I'm seriously considering getting Ryzen (still undecided on which one), but so far the only good thing about it is the core and thread numbers and that it has a much faster multi-core speed. And it's not like the price is cheaper
Sorry if I seem stubborn on getting the i7-7700k, it's just that I've seen the reviews and they all seem positive so it's hard to find any faults with it.
>AMD being this tight lipped about it So it's either going to kill everything or be a complete flop that can't compete with Nvidia's top lineup?
Henry Evans
More games will use more cores in the future. Quad core CPUs are going the way of the dino. Trust me, if you buy a Ryzen 6-core CPU you won't regret it, especially since you plan on keeping your CPU for a while.
Logan Flores
>no microcenter within 200 miles of where you live southern texas is suffering
if i want to stick with windows 7 in a gaymen build, wouldnt a 1060 be better than a 480 since the 1060 is better with dx11?
Chase Fisher
580 bro
Julian Allen
Go ahead and roast me as much as possible.
Some notes: >It's for work in software development + some VM + gaming. >For the GPU I'm gonna wait for Vega to make a choice. For now my 680 SLI will have to do it. >I'm set on the 1600X because I want to OC it as high as possible as single-threaded performance is still important for me and I planned on getting a cooler anyway. >Please focus criticism on the mobo and RAM. I need sugestions on that front. Also, is this PSU good enough?
Nathaniel Rodriguez
4c/4t/10 for making me respond.
Joshua Young
Not buying a ryzen until I know that I won't get random games that become unplayable for no reason other than my CPU being an AMD one
Landon Scott
you what
Joshua King
For better OC get a better cooler, something from Noctua for example. Check the QVL and forums for RAM compatibility. No idea if 550W is enough for 680 SLI, generally 550-650W is fine for single GPU.
Where the fuck do you keep your tower to worry about that shit
Caleb Morris
I don't know if its just me, but fractal design cases looks really cheap. I just don't like the way they look.
Jason Sanchez
I like how you failed to acknowledge that is neither an AMD or Intel based issue.
Isaac Green
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Wyatt Thomas
Fractal Design is pretty cheap. I think cube cases are pretty retarded unless you're going super small and still want a (short) full height video card. Have you seen the Silverstone S13?
Benjamin Ward
What is the best B350 mobo on the market to get right now?
Owen Walker
Alright now that I know that I should look through the entire thing before I type on a keyboard, are developers going to optimize for these extra cores or is it just (((higher is better)))?
William Howard
I'm just getting an mATX board and a I figured I should getting a case of equal size.
Liam Kelly
the one that fits your budget and needs
Christian Lee
What's the TLDR on these AMD 500 cards?
David Wilson
>Thermally suboptimal You spelled 'negligible' wrong >water on the floor cases with bottom PSUs are usually elevated to let air in >dust filters
Joshua Hall
580 is overall better than 1060 (gta 5 is the only exception by few %)
don't listen to him, cryorig h7 is fine for oc (again so is amd's stock cooler). also 4.0ghz seems to be max oc for ryzen so i wouldn't be surprised if you hit only 3.8.
Reccomend me an RX 480 model that isn't the XFX GTR since its almost $300 on Newegg right now.
Nolan Barnes
>4.0ghz seems to be max oc for ryzen so i wouldn't be surprised if you hit only 3.8
But the 1600X reaches 4.0Ghz on stock settings on single-threaded operations. Shouldn't be too hard to make it reach 4.0Ghz 24/7 with some additional voltage, right? Any 1600X owners here?
Angel Collins
Was there anything wrong with the liquid cooler?
Julian Sanders
Dear /pcbg/.
I kinda sked befor about advices about cpu cooling and how to improve it, since I felt it dont work as efficient in my case as during reviews.
I also asked for ideas about dealing with very hot GPU, RX480 from Sapphire. You guys suggested me to get additional fan installed under it.
My question is - should it rather blow air inside the case (to pump cool air from under the case directly at GPU fans) or should it rather pump hot air from inside the case to outside (to remove air that might get warmer from GPU and nearby HDDs).
Reposting picture of how case looks inside.
Thanks for replies.
Noah Harris
Nothing's wrong with it, but isn't the 850 M.2 going for $80-90 cheaper?
Alexander Mitchell
110€ cheaper in my country. But isn't the M.2 considerably faster?
Jack Myers
>Rebellion Against what, mediocre computer hardware and lack of software drivers?
Owen Robinson
Cooler-Master you posted is probably one of the smallest you could easily get, volume wise. Think practically, how the levels of compactness benefit you. Traditional tall & thin is most useful for most people, cube is a waste of space for components and desk, for the most part.
Owen Perry
550w is not going to cut it if you're planning on doing that greentext shit with that computer. Up to like 650w or even 700w since you're trying to do SLI and OC.
Henry Howard
Forget the SLI. I shouldn't have put that there.
Aiden Myers
bottom fans are usually intake since heat rises which would make it harder to blow out the bottom. maybe cleaning up cables could help too. not sure about the CPU if you already have an aftermarket cooler unless you went for the AIO meme.
Kayden Hall
Waste of money in those speakers. Class-T amp and cheap bookshelves are beyond comparison.
Aaron Morales
Which RX 580 are OK to get, now that the cards are out? Thinking the >GIGABYTE Radeon RX 580 DirectX 12 GV-RX580GAMING-8GD 8GB
Nathaniel Reed
Still should up the power supply anyways, 550w isn't really recommended for anything above low-range anyways because you need to be accounting for future additions and overhead. Get the 650w.
Aaron Lopez
Dully noted. I was suspecting that too. Thanks for the input.
Ian Cruz
liquid cooling is a meme
Nathan Bailey
Hey Guys,
I'm kind of new to the PC thing, I'm majorly a console gamer but I've decided to move over to the PC to play Overwatch because I don't like it on console.
Anyway, I want to buy a sort of high end ish PC so I can get lots of frames on overclock because I plan to overclock my monitor to 100Hz for more fluid gameplay
What do you guys think of this PC?
I've also never built a PC before and will be following youtube tutorials but any tips you guys got for me?
Asher Gomez
Rewire your shit so the excess cords go in the back, and then fuck with the GPU settings to get the temps down
Need some help with this. R5 1600s are out of stock on Newegg right now, so replacing it with a 1500X for the time being. Is the graphics card ok though?
Luke Jones
What case is that? Do you like it?
Joshua Bailey
I'll be going down the list for this one: >Case Hah >Cooler Hah 460 Hahhhhhhh >H110M for an i7 HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHA >6950X HOHHHHHHHHH >1TB instead of 2TB WOZZA >Only 4GB and only 1x4GB at that HOHOHOHHHHHHHH >1500w >HAHAHA OH WOW
Add a hundred boxes of poptarts and we can start using this as quality bait
Gavin Cruz
Be more specific, is it just not worth the extra premium you pay for not enough of an upgrade, pain to install, break easily, what?
Andrew Torres
Is this a joke?
Jace Wood
isn't the 580 kind of a housefire?
David Sullivan
What? No, from what I've heard this should run any games perfectly with no problems
Adam Reyes
so what are the hardware problems with the ryzen chips? i dont like buying hardware when they have just released.
Parker Scott
>AIO meme
Whats that?
>Rewire your shit so the excess cords go in the back >maybe cleaning up cables could help too
Tried that but I dont have space at the right side of case, behind mobo, anymore. When I tried to push them more, I couldnt close the case. The fact that SSD cable pretty much have to stay like this doesnt help.
Corsair 200R. Cant say too much since this is my first case thats not generic "office desktop" case, aka first case to have so many openings and places to mount additional fans. And most expensive I bought.
Grayson Lewis
Like all of them? Should I just get a 570 instead?
Lincoln Richardson
Good IPC and general performance for the price
Jackson Rogers
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Grayson Myers
Let's say we're in an alternate reality where I have enough money for a kind of budget build, and I'm playing at 1600x900, I also want the 1500X or the 1600, will a 1050ti be enough for 60 fps ultra settings on almost all games?
Wyatt Sanders
please be troll
Julian Ward
Dude 6950K is fucking $2339
Camden Wright
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Adrian Davis
So many 580s
Anyone have a recommendation on which one to get?
Michael Russell
Holy fuck guise we have a new retard confirmed
Gavin Howard
whichever one you want, they're likely all going to clock similarly if you really want to do your research you're basically looking for if there's any standouts on noise/thermals, alongside who you trust the most for RMAs/customer support