/pcbg/ - PC Building General - 580 Launch Edition

/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
pcpartpicker.com

>Information on how to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

Currently worthwhile CPUs:
>G4560 for budget builds (i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to Ryzen 7
>No R5 1400 unless discounted
>i7-6700k is good but pricey. If over budget: consider locked 7700; not chasing 4.8Ghz+ capable when you weren't gonna overclock, or get R5
>Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck)
>R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use

Currently worthwhile GFX cards:
>RX470 , RX480, 1070, 1080, 1080TI
>1060 is worth considering over a 480 if same/cheaper in your country, or you just play games it's better on for the price. 1050Ti is for mITX builds
>470 is usually all you need for 1080p. Look for them on sale ~$130 or less.
>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm
>Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than RX470, unless price/performance is better (discounted/used)
>May for Vega

General:
>No brand/model loyalty. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't worth it just for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
>Save money w/ mATX case/mobo, and if patient by purchasing your parts individually in flash sales

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pcpartpicker.com/list/RPcdcc
pcpartpicker.com/list/jZP2nn
pcpartpicker.com/list/psgR6X
pcpartpicker.com/list/XVVppb
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Just Wait™ for RX 585x2

>7700K is better for gaming right now
>BUT RYZEN HAS MORE CORES! IT'S FUTUREPROOF! JUST WAIT FOR MULTICORE OPTIMIZATION IN FEW YEARS!
>580 is weaker than 1070 and will struggle to run new titles
>SO WHAT?! ARE YOU GONNA PLAY NOW OR WHAT?!

>so I guess I'll update my card to new 2070 Volta
>LOL NVIDIAKEK ENJOY YOUR UPGRADE EVERY YEAR
>I'm gonna buy 1511 socket cpu
>LOL INTELKEK IT'S A DEAD SOCKET I'M GONNA BUY ZEN+ NEXT YEAR AND ZEN++ AFTER ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE AM4 SUPPORT!

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The model number I have is AX7970 3GBD5-2DHV3 from Powercolor. At stock voltage of 1.175v, I got 1070/1425 though I haven't messed with the memory much yet. I currently have at 1105/1425 @ 1.219v. The guy I bought it from was selling it since he upgraded to an RX 480.

EU prices were a mistake.

>7700K is better for gaming right now
in fairy tale land?

...

How does this look?
pcpartpicker.com/list/RPcdcc

>its cherry picking when you use multiple games now

G O A L P O S T S T A T U S: M-M-MOVED

Why did you cherry pick BF1 results? lol. Not a good OP picture. It's just going to incite bitching.

You also forgot to change currently worthwhile to include RX570/580, too.

>dual core
>2017

looks like shit

keep shilling pajeet, keep samefagging

>cheaper card not as good as more expensive one

wad da fug??? :--DDD D D

>thinking more cores = more whores
Women give zero shits user. This is a budget gaming rig.
aside from the dual core, thoughts.

AMD on 1T timings

What are you going to do with the system? Unless something changed you can still drop down to the G4560 as a cpu instead. Keep in mind that the seller has to flash the H110 board then or choose a board with a B250 chipset instead.

Dual cores are good for budget shitty gaming

Any Intel CPU below the 7700k has been permanently replaced by Ryzen even if it's JUST for gaymen, what's with this autistic sperging?

they are good for the trashbin

>just cancelled my 580 order
Clarity always seems to come only after putting the cash down, it seems.

If y'all rock a 280x or something in that zone on a 1080p60 monitor and aren't a rich shit, trust me, it's not time to upgrade. That baby is gonna give you the sweet 60 on still-decent settings for at least a couple more years.

>permanently
Yeah, just wait for 6c coffeelake in august.

Nice housefires. Either that or lower clocks which means it's equal to Ryzen 5 while costing more.

>below the 7700k
Reading comprehension.

JUST WAIT

Is the upgrade from RX 480 to 580 worth 30€ if I'm aiming for 90+fps on 1080/144hz monitor and don't want to get a new card for 3+ years?

Yeah. I'm on a non-reference 7970 that was better than most Ghz edition cards, so the same thing as a 280X.
It's like a 2x performance improvement for a high OC RX580 like the Red Devil GS.

Not as bad as you put it, and still good but... I want Vega and to maybe move up to 4k.
2x performance increase after almost 6 years isn't a lot, even if it's a much cheaper card as well.

Thanks, me and my trusty $50 7970 have been good for the past 2 weeks with my 750Ti sleeping in the drawer.

Eh it's like 5-10% better depending on the model.
It's more than 10% more expensive, right?
Up to you if that's worth it or not.

570 4GB is really the sweet spot, at least in the US. Those are $170 and as good as the 480s were at 1080p.
Or just getting a 470 for even cheaper even if it's 10% worse.

How about this then. I really don't fancy flashing or having to flash anything.
pcpartpicker.com/list/jZP2nn

It'll be for light gaming, mainly sims/simulations, and possibly gtav. Also light video editing for personal amusement (hence why I chose a case with a built in SD card reader)

My main concern is reliability over anything else.

I shouldn't say the same as the RX480. It depends on the game.
It's over 95% the same in some, but less than 90% on some others for the Red Devil RX570. And it's $190 which you can find 8GB RX480s for sale at.
So yeah, I retract that. Wait for sales on that particular card.

Get a cheaper motherboard and semi-modular PSU.
Rest looks good, except if you can wait the RX470 often goes on sale for like $110-$130. I'm pretty sure you can find RX570s for $170 but they're still a bit meh at that price.

>have to view everything in 1360X768 cancer while graphics drivers install.

Also what is better; EVGA precision or MSI afterburner?

Is this real?

I was looking for a motherboard with more than 2 internal USB2.0 connectors, so I could connect the SD card reader without sacrificing anything. That's the cheapest motherboard I found that accompanies that while using the B250 chipset.
I did change it to a semi-modular psu though here
pcpartpicker.com/list/psgR6X

my computer: can you guess what it is?

>3210M dual core i5 with hyperthreading
>16gb ram
>850 Evo
>integrated intel 4000 graphics

Wattman

Sure, it's shit.

no you retard

No shit WAIT(tm) for Vega

>trips confirms
kek but with 850 evo and 16gb of ram its useable.

For $90 you could probably fine a Z270 with 2 internal USB2.0 connectors and plus it's a Z270 instead.

>new games are made with consoles in mind
>ps4/xb1 both have 8 cpu cores
>"lol why would you need more than 4c/8t? xD it's not like an engine that is written to parallelize tasks over 8 cpu cores would have the ability to use more than those 8 cores ^_^"

intel shill logic

what is the best gaming pc I can get for around $850? where is the best place to look? what are some must haves?

>need MORE than 2 internal USB2.0 connectors
>suggests motherboards with 2

That's some serious autism right there. Either that or they were paid to make that.

Get Intel+Nvidia for gaming.

pcpartpicker.com/list/XVVppb

PS3 has 8 cores for years yet games didn't magically required 8 cores to play.

build one with a ryzen 1600 and a gtx 1060, 8gb of ram.

you are autistic

i5 or i7? is a 1050 worth getting?

R5 and no, get 470/570.

ryzen 5 and fuck no 1050 is garbage. buy 480/570

What are some quality 5.25 to 3.5 hot swap bays that use trays to prevent the SATA connectors from getting abused? Everything I come across is tray-less, or they trays still just have you connecting/disconnecting directly to/from the drive each time you swap it out.

Doesn't a 1050 cost like $115?
RX470s go on sale for $110-$130 all the time and they're literally twice as fast.

Only reason to get a 1050 or 1050Ti is because you can get ones that don't require a 6pin power connector. Which is occasionally a good reason, but rare for most buyers.

they don't require them, but most new games use as many cores/threads as your cpu has, which results in less stutters and therefore a much smoother gameplay experience :)

i have an HP Pavillion from 2008. can I make it useable or should I just buy a whole new tower?

new tower

Why would you do that to yourself?
Why do you hate yourself?

If someone wanted to go to newegg and pick me out the best gaming pc for around $850, I could share some unsecured security cam scores. If anybody is in to that.

Someone linked an i7-6700 with an RX480 for $670 from a thread or two ago. Go find that one.
Acer I think but idk. Just put in 600-700 price, filter it to only show i7 and rx480, and you should find it.

An Acer? I really dont know anything about computers but I know they are dogshit. What about Cyberpower? Ibuypower? Been looking for an Asus but like I said, I dont know anything.

Make me a TF2 machine /pcbg/

anything with a dual core cpu

>admits he doesn't know anything
>calls Acer dogshit
I had an Acer for years. I have nothing bad to say about it.

>59966561
7700k

TF2 is an unoptimized old piece of garbage that guzzles down single thread performance

This is assuming you want 144hz, that is. A kaby Pentium should do fine for 60fps.

Are you retarded? I upgraded from R370 2GB to RX470 4Gb and doubled performance for cheap price. I dont think that 280X is much than R370. Polaris is great, you should of upgrade like a year ago.

>not that much better
It's literally twice the TFLOPs
The 280X still does 30fps minimum on games maxed out now days.
Still does over 60fps on plenty of games, or all of them if you just turn settings down a bit.
Whole different class of card. It's not like the RX470 vs RX480 is today at all. It's like comparing the RX460 to the RX470 instead.

Anyone with a 7970 or better is generally not going to feel the need to upgrade on 1080p. Even the 290X and 390X is still amazing for 1440p.
Thus we wait for Vega and we won't have to upgrade for another 5+ years again if we don't want to.

What's the verdict over the 570? Should I consider it instead of the 479 or naw?

But point is Vega is high end. So you dont want to upgrade from middle to middle but to high end? Why even bring 470/480 into discussion? Why do you need Vega if you have low demands?

The 280X was still high end for its time. The 7970 was way before its time.
The 290X was just above-high-end. It was what the Titan Xp is today. Those things were selling for $900 instead of the $500 MSRP or whatever because they were so mind-boggling powerful and so in demand (and bitcoin miners).

If we can still play games at 60fps, obviously the point of an upgrade is for 144fps, 1440p at high hz, or 4k.
We aren't retards that buy 1080Tis for our 60hz 1080p monitors like Nvidia fanboys.

lurk more

I'm thinking about selling me GTX 970 while I can and getting a 580 for it.
It's just a burning feeling.

>upgrading from a nvidia product
>when AMD still doesn't have support for Waifu2x
uh.. amdbabbs??

Better wait for Vega/Volta or get 1080 when it gets bit cheaper.
>when AMD still doesn't have support for Waifu2x
What do you even mean?

Okay, so I have two main goals:

1) play Overwatch on literally any settings as long as it's 1080p 144Hz minimum
2) stream it using twitch at a decent frame rate and resolution

what's the cheapest that could do this? Would a 1060 / 7600k make the cut or would I have to upgrade either?

Selling a 970 when idiots will still pay $175 for them despite them completely shitting the bed in many games is a good idea.
I can't imagine they'll hold their value. Those idiots have to catch on eventually.

I'm just not sure getting an RX580 is the best idea. Yeah it's better on average, and SLIGHTLY lower power consumption, but Vega or 1080 discounted is a better buy.

You want to stream ... on a 7600k ... while a game is running at 144fps minimum? Are you actually retarded? What the hell made you think that'd be possible? Or are you going to build a second machine to do the encoding? That's even stupider when you could do it on one proper machine.

You'll need a 1700 and a 1060 overclocked to 2000MHz+ or a 1070.

sorry I've never done streaming before

would a 7700k and a 1070 be able to do it then?

>tfw that's my resolution all the time

Why are you being retarded about this?
1700 is the only choice for streaming. Why are you even asking about the 7700k? It has half the cores and threads. It's obviously worse for such a task.

If you get a 7700k you're spending more money to have worse quality hardware accelerated encoding that won't look nearly as good.
Or you spend twice as much for 2 7700k systems to play on one and do CPU encoding on the other one.

This is probably bordering on a Stupid Question but anyways...

I managed to pick up an old AMD CPU and motherboard from the bargain bin of a PC store. Planning to use it as a shitter box to play old games. I've never used an AMD product ever.

Just need some DDR3 to go with it. The fastest DDR3 RAM the CPU supports is 1866 (though the mobo supports 2133) But DDR3-1866 is pretty much impossible to find now (especially for a decent price), while DDR-2133 seems to be everywhere, cheap and plentiful.

Are there any consequences for putting in DDR3-2133? Will the motherboard just automatically downclock it to DDR3-1866 and the CPU will be fine with that?

I just built

Z270X Gaming 7
i7 7700K @ 5Ghz
H115i AIO Water Cooling Unit
GTX 1080 STRIX OC
16 GB RAM

Using my old NZXT 820 as the case, cleaned the mofo out.

Getting glorious framrates and temps on all the latest meme games at 2K with 144hz

i am happy

TRY AND TEAR ME DOWN

>i7 7700K @ 5Ghz
>non Ti card
Well enjoy it while it lasts.

Also 2TB 960 PRO and 4TB HDD as storage

>Are there any consequences for putting in DDR3-2133
No. Just set the speed and timings in the BIOS manually to 1866 and a bit lower CL.

Grats. You're the first person to not have 50C+ idle on a 7700k in a while, but I wonder how much of that is thanks to the AIO.

>2TB 960 PRO
No one show user the benchmarks that it's the same real-world speed as an 850 SATA and just costs twice as much for no reason.

I bought a cheap XFX RX470 RS on sale some time ago and now i'm building a R5 1600(X) PC.
Question is, should i use the RX470 and put some old used GPU in the old PC and sell it or should i buy a RX580 and sell the old PC with the RX470 as is.
Also what about vega, do we have any news on it about power draw and price?

its a fair point maybe i will leave it at a stock

i have the income for a 1080ti SLI so it is always an option for me

>15.3s - 960 pro 2tb $1300
>15.5s - 850 evo 2tb $650
You could have gotten two or three sessions with a high class escort for that.
Uninformed buyers are the greatest.

okay so 1700 and a 1070?

So, which rx 580 is the best one ? XFX GTR again ?

Wait for reviews.

>Better wait for Vega/Volta or get 1080 when it gets bit cheaper.
>I'm just not sure getting an RX580 is the best idea. Yeah it's better on average, and SLIGHTLY lower power consumption, but Vega or 1080 discounted is a better buy.
The issue here is that I really don't want to do the waiting game, I got this GTX970 for a below 120 pricetag a few months ago in a drunken attempt to fix my GPU related issues that came from not having an upgrade over the last near 8 years.

lmao? Keep the 470 unless you can get the same or more that you paid for it back.
The fuck is with you guys that'll buy a card then 6 months later want a new 20% better one.
Idk I guess if you can sell the PC as is as a good price, yeah that's easier with a GPU already in it. But you'd have to wait for Vega to do that reasonably.

>power draw
idk. Pretty sure the Radeon Instinct MI25 is waiting game
shit comes out in May dude. Why the fuck are so many of you so impatient? This is an 18+ board.

Here's my dilemma.

I'm moving to the US at the end of the year, and i'm also in the market for a PC.

I'm only taking the components inside the PC to the US, unless i build an ITX system. Then i could probably fit a sugo 13 in my suitcase.

I want to play some sweet games, but i've got a 720p monitor i'm just gonna stick with.

Longterm, would it make more sense for a small i3 cheap ass system with a 1050 2gb that i could re-purpose as a home entertainment system or something later on, or get my hands on a Ryzen 1600 and maybe a 1050 TI and get a cheap ass case, like a cougar spike, and then just sell it for like, 20 bucks when i leave ...

Just thinkin' what would get me the most bang for my buck long term.

How long do you guys reckon the 1600 will stay relevant?

i did not really buy this ssd for the boot times but it is a nice touch considering i went from using a 2006 seagate HDD

very much largely down to the AIO
I also have the 200m side intake fan and very good cooling inside the case with the PC in a low temp room

A, the price will obviously be high and the option of "which brands one isn't pure ass" takes a decent amount of time to be certified
B, if I do sell the GTX 970 meme, I'll be sitting ducks in the hopes that the vega is at a good price and is a good overall GPU.

Besides, basically 9 years of waiting does make the concept of "just wait a bit more lad" kind of strange.

A 1600 overclocked the 2000MHz+ should keep above 144fps.
Just google reviews and figure out which 1060s overclock to 2000MHz fine.
But if you want to play it safe, you can overpay for a 1070 instead.

There are mITX RX470s now. Check the Sapphire Pulse. Roughly the same price but over 50% better performance as long as you've got a 6pin. And you know how Ryzen+AMD GPU just plays nice together.

Problem is that Ryzen mITX doesn't look like it's coming out until June. So maybe you should just get a tiny mITX box with no dGPU, and just go with a i3-7350K or i3-7320.

You could have gotten 99% the same performance with a $650 cheaper 850 Evo and used that money for hookers instead.

Eh I'm pretty experienced with hardware, even if I'm more of a software guy.
I really, really, really do not think Vega is going to disappoint. It'll be 2x Fury X performance at minimum. I wouldn't be surprised if it beats the Titan Xp in DX12/Vulkan.
Not to mention the benefit of Freesync2 vs overpriced last gen Gsync.
AMD has always competed on price whether they can or can't deliver the best card. They can't just sell the cards on name alone like Nvidia can.

Any estimations on the price of Vega?

I say 300+. Probably around the price of GTX1080.

>You could have gotten 99% the same performance with a $650 cheaper 850 Evo and used that money for hookers instead.
very true :[

Almost surely $400-$450 for the cut down one.
$550-$750 for the full size 13-14TFLOPS full clocks one.
I'm hoping the "Nano" successor is going to be on the cheaper cut down die this time, as well. That'd make way more sense. Or a Nano on both the cut down and full die.

They can't even sell the cut down one less than $400 as far as I can see since, at minimum, even that cut down die should be about double RX580 performance. The only way they'd be cheaper is if they price drop RX580s just a month after they've been out, which is unlikely...

Anyway, I need to get to bed.

Yeah, not very certain I want to plow 400~500 dollars for a GPU anytime soon.
I'll try selling the GTX 970 for a good price and getting a RX 580 instead.