Why does Germany want to reinforce its dependence on Russian oil and undermine position of its eastern European allies...

Why does Germany want to reinforce its dependence on Russian oil and undermine position of its eastern European allies in EU and NATO as transit countries?

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Autism

phasing out nuclear power and russian oil is cheaper

that's an easy one,
the same reason they always had for everything they did.
Ruin/kill/destroy Europe... again.

This is not a problem, just like in WW2, when they had at each other over who gets to keep polish territory

the pipeline will be the cause of conflict between these two jackals

this

The Nord Stream-Pipeline was only made to angry the Poles.

I dont feel angry

having politically and economically less to do with russia is exactly what we want


let the other yurotrash faggot get stabbed in the back for doing business with them.

Germany just wants to improve the reliability of their gas supply, as long as a country follows the gas contract they signed, i.e pays the bills, and the gas doesn't flow through Hoholistan then Russian gas is 100% reliable. Germany is capable of doing the former and increasing the capacity of the undersea pipes will fix the latter

youre goverment said something different at that time, they was really angry about this that it didn't go through poland

An english captain asked once a French corsair named Robert Surcouf :
>English cap. : you french are fighting for money, while we, english, are fighting for honour !
>R. Surcouf : that's it sir, each of us is fighting for what he misses.


Thought, Sup Forums ?

Ebin fail, kill me already

>Russian gas is 100% reliable
wtf are you takling about ?
It isn't, it will just make negotiations and diplomacy harder if they happen to disagree with the russians.

>youre goverment


stopped reading there

sounds fair i guess

>It isn't, it will just make negotiations and diplomacy harder if they happen to disagree with the russians.


this

being dependent on anything russian you will be extorted by them.


theyre scumbags

We are dependent on gas and cannot risk our supply because some former commie states don't pay their bills.

>re-introduce nuclear power
>replace all the electricity produced with oil and gas with green energy
>progressively do the same with nuclear plants
>????
>profit

If you're concerned about stability of your supply, you should not make yourself vitally 100% dependent on one supplier though.

I realize this is not really a strategical decision on national level as it is decision of more or less corrupt and opportunistic businessmen at corporate level, but even so, one would have thought that German people are rational enough to diversify their sources.

Situation befire nord Stream:
Germany depends on Russia, poland and ukraine + a few other small states for their gas supply
After nord stream:
Germany depends on russia on their gas supply
Congrats, you are now dependent on some african shitholes for your nuclear material

That sounds like very expensive way to get a small improvement - you've fucked over a few small countries, some of them your vassals, and are still easily cuckable by Russia.

Instead you could have invested into LNG terminal, Nabucco or get over your WW2 trauma and secure sources in Africa.

Maybe it really is time for EU to fall apart if it's so impotent to pursue even goals as elementary as strategic resource security.

LNG terminals and shipping gas is way too expensive.
We heat our houses with gas. Nuclear does not change that and electrical heating is inefficient as fuck.

There are strategic and economic aspects. First, such a big project does not only bind the consumer but also the supplier. For decades. The new Nord Stream II pipeline connects Siberian gas fields with Europe that would otherwise only be eligible for Asian customers. And we don't need a China with more access to cheap energy.
Second, the route chosen is that way because Poland refused to be a part of the consortium. Btw the consortium isn't just German, it's also Russian, French and Dutch. It's not a national project but a commercial one. Even so, it was offered to Poland both to become part of the consortium as well as to change the route so that it touches Polish sovereign territory which would give Poland certain control over it. Poland declined both.

So it's not that "Germany want[s] to reinforce its dependence on Russian oil and undermine position of its eastern European allies in EU and NATO as transit countries" but rather Eastern European countries are still newbies to globalized capitalism and globalized geopolitics, so they prefer autist sperging. Also dependencies are almost never one-sided, mostly they're mutual. In the case of Russia and the EU Russia is far more dependent on the EU than vice-versa.

As for lost transit fees, well, it's not the job of a commercial consortium to provide outsiders with a free income. Poland and Slovakia could have chosen to reduce transit fees if they were really serious about it being a strategic issue and not a commercial one. They didn't. Now Western Europeans will have cheaper gas. This also shows the hypocrisy of Eastern European governments who have shown themselves in the recent years as increasingly nationalist, yet get nervous whenever someone from Western Europe does the very same thing.
Again the dependency relation is mutual, but Western Eurpe could do a lot easier without Eastern Europe than vice-versa. So just suck it, bros.

>That sounds like very expensive way to get a small improvement
Not that user but Nord Stream and Nord Stream II will pay for themselves just by saving the transit fees.

>Instead you could have invested into LNG terminal
LNG is about twice as expensive as regular natural gas.

They are cucks.

>Poland and Hungary looking for their own interests
That's the spirit V4 bros! Good job putting these EU cucks in its place!
>Germany is looking for its own interest
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Because they are traitors and they just cooperate with Russia, like always.

Yeah, that's why Russians blocked the Gasum LNG terminal in Finland before they were kicked out of that company. Gas is totally non-political for russhits.

Germany used to be good friends with the eastern European countries. Now relations are getting worse due to this, and the migration crisis, and views on the future of the eu in general.

They are becoming isolated. Not very smart

>and electrical heating is inefficient as fuck.
Bro
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump
Read it
Electrical heating is good.
But it needs to be complimented with a stronger source, in case there is no power, or if houses needs to be reheated during winter.

Congrats, you're now dependent on some African shithole for your gas.

>so they prefer autist sperging.
Not wanting to pay money to Russians to attack them is now autistic sperging?

>Maybe it really is time for EU to fall apart
it's time for our own union

Germany and Russia still treat us as vassal meme countries, they don't care we are part of UE, so our situation didn't really change apart from the fact we are nominally independent

Germans need to be invaded by Russia 2-3 more times, then they will understand what these human trash really are.

>They are becoming isolated. Not very smart
Lol you don't know shit. Germany is far and away the most important partner for every single of the V4 countries:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Poland
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Czech_Republic
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Slovakia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Hungary

Dogs that bark don't bite. They can shout all they want. We'll endure. We're used to being depicted as evil and immoral. The Holocaust aftermath was the best training ever. We'll just accept being seen as ugly Germans while raking in the profits. Thank you very much.

Chimping out over a commercial project that everybody is invited to be part of, comparing it with the Hitler-Stalin-Pact and generally criticizing the slightest following of national interest by others while being the most nationalist at the same time is indeed autist sperging.

What they could also have done is to invest solar power plants in Spain, Italy or Northern Africa and transfer that energy to gas. Germany has the biggest PV panel manufacturers in the world and the sun's power is free, clean and basically unlimited.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_to_gas

youtube.com/watch?v=my_EjR7zgu8

For better efficiency you could feed just hydrogen to the gas network. Germany used to use town gas which was 70% hydrogen but you can also produce natural gas from power.

Just makes wonder why Germany doesn't want to go for the independent choice? Whose pedo pics does FSB have?

It'll be cheaper to buy the oil and gas from Germany (who buy them from Russia) than from Russia directly.

Except Russian gas is never just commercial.

>t everybody is invited to be part of
And the money would still go to Russian missiles and tanks. That offer doesn't change anything.

>Dogs that bark don't bite.
Dogs that bark, then the opponent yields, bites very hard. Please learn about dog care.
Thats sorta Russians entire foreign policy: Bark, then bite if they yield.

You don't have the slightest idea how abysmally inefficient power-to-gas is.

>And the money would still go to Russian missiles and tanks.
Ah yes, and with China as the consumer instead Russians would totally not buy missiles ant tanks from their income. Dude, are you twelve?

>You don't have the slightest idea how abysmally inefficient power-to-gas is.
>Pathway: Electricity→Gas→Electricity & heat
>62%
You could have just read the article.

Sneaky german shits

>Thats sorta Russians entire foreign policy: Bark, then bite if they yield.
It really isn't.

Going by how Russians do submarine espionage? Yes, it is.

It may surprise you but western democracies are controlled by corporate interest, not notions of solidarity.

Less demand, less money - econ 101, Hans. And of course Russians will always use the gas to coerce Europe.

>If you don't read RT.com, I'll shut the gas heating
youtube.com/watch?v=FUeOkjFF0P4

Was your mom a Russian rapebaby?

Lol that's the most optimistic estimates with technology that's only run in a lab, actual commercially viable equipment is more around 30-40%, which makes the huge investment required for buying the equipment and running it simply uneconomical at market prices.

It really isn't

>all these germancucks sucking ivan's cock itt

I guess you learned it from your grandmothers in 1945?

>Less demand
For what? Russians are gonna sell their gas. Whether it's the Chinese or the Europeans doesn't matter to them. But whoever is the consumer has therefore certain influence because Russia needs customers. Again, dependencies aren't one-sided. They're mutual.

So the Nord Stream scenario is: more Russian tanks and missiles. The Eastern European autist sperg reality denial scenario is: more Russian tanks and missiles and more Chinese tanks and missiles.
You really are twelve!

>commercial project
Neger, plz
Schroeder in that time was a cancelor and Merkel was a Minister of Foreign affairs. Both of them were involved from the beginning.

Another pipe from Russia, the very unstable trading partner was a stupid idea. We put our accent to diversification and it's the only good way for us.

It is. But I think you confuse "neutral stance" with "yielding".
Most politics and diplomancy today is generally neutral. Yielding is rare.
But when you yield a finger to Russia, they will try to take the hand.
The same with other states. Its how geopolitics has worked for the last century for the super powers of the world.

Do mind: To dogs, a show of weakness is to yield. In diplomacy, a show of weakness is whatever, unless its a complete failure.
Yielding in diplomancy is not shooting back. Show of weakness is stating if you care or not. The former is dangerous, the latter is a corner stone of diplomacy.

>Lol that's the most optimistic estimates with technology that's only run in a lab,
It's not.

>which makes the huge investment required for buying the equipment and running it simply uneconomical at market prices.
Just PVs it will get cheaper and everything is better than anything Russian.

>dependence on Russian oil

Well, we need oil anyways. And asked who is more to be trusted, sandpeople or Russians the answer should be clear.
Building a pipeline through other countries is just a stupid idea if you can easily go around them, no matter how good you realtions are.

>Schroeder in that time was a cancelor and Merkel was a Minister of Foreign affairs.
Guess what: Every time a chancellor flies somewhere there's an entourage of managers and CEO's with her/him: shocker!

>Russia, the very unstable trading partner
Russia was never an unstable trading partner. Even during the Cold War during each and every crisis, they delivered on time. They are a reliable trading partner. What is unreliable is the gas route through Ukraine, which Nord Stream helps circumventing.

>But when you yield a finger to Russia, they will try to take the hand.
Not the German experience. Neither that of the US, France or the UK. What's actually true is that Russia likes to connect geopolitics of different sorts. Syria with Libya. That with Iraq. All of it with Ukraine etc. This is their way of making sure they sit at the table. But this has nothing to do with soem alleged barking and biting.

>It's a commercial project I swear!

>It's not.
It is.

>Just PVs it will get cheaper and everything is better than anything Russian.
You have never in your life been an entrepreneur. PVS are barely competitive now WITH feed-in tarrifs, after more than a decade of support in billions of dollars. Power-to-gas has zero economic viability. It's all very nice to ponder it as a concept and try out test faciities and further the science. But it's far away from commercial application.

>For what? Russians are gonna sell their gas. Whether it's the Chinese or the Europeans doesn't matter to them. But whoever is the consumer has therefore certain influence because Russia needs customers. Again, dependencies aren't one-sided. They're mutual.
Lay of the weed, dude. If the Chinese know that Euros don't want Russian genocide gas they'll have the upper hand in negotiations and won't pay that much. Of course Germans might pay in a similar situation more since they love Russian attacks.

Nothing is stopping the Russians from building another pipe to China and bidding Germans and Chinese against each other for more money on the gas in any case.

>So the Nord Stream scenario is: more Russian tanks and missiles. The Eastern European autist sperg reality denial scenario is: more Russian tanks and missiles and more Chinese tanks and missiles.
Less Russian tanks since they can't get good price from the Chinese. Chinese want energy independence too and they have heavily invested in renewables. More Chinese tanks is good for Europe since it puts more pressure on the aggressive Russians.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gansu_Wind_Farm
Nameplate capacity is more than 10 Olkiluoto 3s.

>You really are twelve!
Read a book, fucking development helper homo.

>Well, we need oil anyways. And asked who is more to be trusted, sandpeople or Russians the answer should be clear.
Sand people.

>Well, we need oil anyways. And asked who is more to be trusted, sandpeople or Russians the answer should be clear.
sand people

>implying r*ssians are even people

>It is.
It's not.

>You have never in your life been an entrepreneur.
Neither have you if you think you want to have your energy supply rely on the aggressive Russians.

>PVS are barely competitive now WITH feed-in tarrifs, after more than a decade of support in billions of dollars.
They are paying you to use solar power in the summers.

>Power-to-gas has zero economic viability. It's all very nice to ponder it as a concept and try out test faciities and further the science. But it's far away from commercial application.
Those plants are popping out like mushrooms after rain. E.on, Audi, OMV etc.

It's the now and the future. Russian gas is just supporting the death of your neighbours.

>Neither have you if you think you want to have your energy supply rely on the aggressive Russians.
do you think they care about agressive Russia?

it doesn't matter the countries they call their allies will lose and will be subjugated, it's not of their concern

it's really time to form our own union, german lead EU is so shit, they don't even try to pretend

It is the experience of Finland, and Ukraina. The same with Norway.
You "beat" Russia by not nudging a inch until both parts agree on something they both agree on. It might take months, it might take years, it might take decades

I.E it took Norway 44 years of negotiating to draw a line on a map, with Russia.
Look up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway–Russia_border#Delimitation_agreement
Finland still isn't a member of NATO, mostly because Russia is Russia.
Crimea is another good example. Revolution meant that foreign forces could infiltrate and state a hostile take over. Said hostile takeover succeed because Ukraine didn't fire back hard enough.


Now, Germany is in a better position. They have Poland, Belarus, the Balthic states and Ukraina as a buffer zone. Germany is no direct danger doing anything with Russia. And because its about Oil Money, its just about money.
But that doesn't mean Germany should be careless. "So long we pay them we influence them" is a very dangerous position to take, even if the option is nonexistent blackmail of Russians other export partners.

>Lay of the weed, dude. If the Chinese know that Euros don't want Russian genocide gas they'll have the upper hand in negotiations and won't pay that much.
Gas prices are tied to the oil price, stupid.

>Of course Germans might pay in a similar situation more since they love Russian attacks.
Germany will pay less with Nord Stream because it saves transit fees. And much of Western Europe, too, as the capacity is such that is supplies Britain, France, Austria and BeNeLux and makes the Ukraine route and Yamal pipeline superfluous.

>Less Russian tanks since they can't get good price from the Chinese.
Nice claim without proof. Plus more Chinese tanks as a result of easier access to energy for China.

>Chinese want energy independence
Chinese want energy security. Totally different thing.

>More Chinese tanks is good for Europe since it puts more pressure on the aggressive Russians.
How stupid can you be!? China is already several times more powerful than Russia. More integration of Siberia with China only worsens the imbalance and makes Siberia with its vast resources eventually a Chinese colony.

>Read a book, fucking development helper homo.
Leave your basement every once in a while.

>do you think they care about agressive Russia?
They should since Russia won't hesitate to coerce even Germany for money if they get their grip firm enough. That's what I'm saying. That German is being short-sighted.

I really don't understand why they want to buy Russian gas because they could be energy independent through technology.

they aim to subjugate Central Europe once again, and they are to weak to do it by themselves only, they need r*ssians

>It's not.
It is.

>Neither have you if you think you want to have your energy supply rely on the aggressive Russians.
You are just dumb and know nothing of the world.

>They are paying you to use solar power in the summers.
State subsidies. You think that money falls from the sky?

>Those plants are popping out like mushrooms after rain. E.on, Audi, OMV etc.
Not one single commercial project. All test facilities.

>Russian gas is just supporting the death of your neighbours.
Silly kid. Russia doesn't dare touch a NATO ally. And Russian gas is by far the cheapest alternative on the market.

>Germany is no direct danger doing anything with Russia
While this is true, there are other consequences. By becoming dependent on russian energy, Germany is forced to give Russia political concessions, and those are not insignificant. Germany's foreign policy becomes aligned to Putin's authoritarian imperialism and deepening business ties between germans and russians in an uneven relationship allows russians to influence Germany's political and economic landscape.

It's the same shit every time european corporations urge the government to stay friends with eastern dictators.

Merkel was not part of Schröders government. She was leader of the opposition.

>OMG HYBRID WAR, PUTIN EVIL, INVASION ANY SECOND NOW, JOIN NATO
Yeah no, the whole LNG terminal-brainfart popped up from the anti-Russian hysteria and US shills trying to use that to push their million times more expensive fracked LNG down everyones throat. LNG is flat out not commercially viable, our gov is not in a financial position to subsidize it and even EU said no to paying enough to make it viable (with our own money that we give them to do silly projects around the continent).

Also, the fact that Russians only ever had a minority share in Gasum makes your sperging look even more retarded

>Gas prices are tied to the oil price, stupid.
Yes, the prices are, costs aren't, fucking idiot. Gas trade isn't free of transaction costs like international stock trade.
>Germany will pay less with Nord Stream because it saves transit fees. And much of Western Europe, too, as the capacity is such that is supplies Britain, France, Austria and BeNeLux and makes the Ukraine route and Yamal pipeline superfluous.
And Russians will say that China wants to pay more for the gas and what's gonna happen then? Germany pays more. Russia could just say they won't deliver more gas unless Germany pays more. It's a fucking monopoly. Even more so than the OECD, fucking Einstein.
>Nice claim without proof. Plus more Chinese tanks as a result of easier access to energy for China.
>PROOOFS
investopedia.com/terms/l/law-of-supply-demand.asp
>Chinese want energy security. Totally different thing.
Ultimate energy security is to control the production like the French do with Nuclear.
>15] At the time of the oil crisis most of France's electricity came from foreign oil. Nuclear power allowed France to compensate for its lack of indigenous energy resources by applying its strengths in heavy engineering.[18][19] The situation was summarized in a slogan: "In France, we do not have oil, but we have ideas."[20]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France#History
>How stupid can you be!? China is already several times more powerful than Russia. More integration of Siberia with China only worsens the imbalance and makes Siberia with its vast resources eventually a Chinese colony.
That's the dream. Nothign wrong with that.
>Leave your basement every once in a while.
Keeeping people in basements is a Germanic thing, fucking unterschit skeletor.

>It is the experience of Finland, and Ukraina. The same with Norway.
Negative. Finland and Norway have experienced no harm from Russia. And with Ukraine Russia actually play low ball before invading. So it actually didn't bark before biting!

>I.E it took Norway 44 years of negotiating to draw a line on a map, with Russia.
Uhh, big deal. Germany has still unresolved border issues with the Netherlands, and the US with Canada. Stuff like this is far more common than you think.

>Finland still isn't a member of NATO, mostly because Russia is Russia.
Finland isn't in NATO because they're dumb. They should've joined no later than after the Helsinki Final Act. It's their own fault for not doing so, not Russia's.

>Crimea is another good example.
Crimea is a good example that Russia doesn't bark before biting. And Nord Stream is a good example that Eastern Europeans are all bark and no bite.

>And because its about Oil Money, its just about money.
I already explained the strategic rationale. It's far beyond a purely European scope. China is a greater threat than Russia. Far greater. And the rest really is just economical.

>It is.
It's not

>You are just dumb and know nothing of the world.
It's you who is naive enough to trust the ruskies.

>State subsidies. You think that money falls from the sky?
Solar power "falls" from the sky. Russian gas is going to end. Why not invest in perpetual energy instead of russian genocide gas?

>Not one single commercial project. All test facilities.
Yeah, they just release the gas to air afterwards, fucktard.

>Silly kid. Russia doesn't dare touch a NATO ally.
We are not in NATO.

>And Russian gas is by far the cheapest alternative on the market.
And the deadliest.

>Why does Germany want to reinforce its dependence on Russian oil and undermine position of its eastern European allies in EU and NATO as transit countries?

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Whaaa waaaaaa RUSSIA EBUL

STAHP THIS RIGH NOW /thread

When has Russia ever cut off gas supplies?

Where is the source for this?

Even when Ukraine was stealing half of the Russian gas that flowed through its territory in 2014-2015, Russia still delivered the contracted amount.

100% of Russian oil arrives at the destination. That's why you faggots buy it.

>being this butthurt of a 100% accurate comment
The terminal isn't that expensive neither is the gas. Of course there's no obligation to buy LNG if you have a terminal. You actually don't know the price of Russia gas unless you're Juha Sipilä posting on a Chinese basket weaving forum.

There are also other supplier for LNG for example Iran, they would probably even be cheaper than US shale. It brakes the Russian monopoly and makes it impossible to coerce us with gas since we would have alternative sellers.

>Also, the fact that Russians only ever had a minority share in Gasum makes your sperging look even more retarded
Yeah, and they used their share against Finnish national interests.

>Finland and Norway have experienced no harm from Russia.
Norway considers everything north of Tronderlag to be expandable. And lived the entire cold war of being close allies with both part.
Finland has been bullied since the 2nd world war, and only stopped getting super bullied in the power vacuum between Soviet Collapse and Russia recovering.

>Stuff like this is far more common than you think.
It is, but not when dealing with something that has been set in stone for about 80 years before that. Most modern diplomancy over borders is about isles, not about actual borders.

>Finland isn't in NATO because they're dumb.
Finland would have signed up in 1949 if they could. But since they have the neighbors they do, they could not.

>Crimea is a good example that Russia doesn't bark before biting.
Hostile takeover via rebel funding and proxy warfare is barking. Its the kind of barking where you test if the state will do its job(just shoot and imprison everyone) or don't do its job(let Russian troops wage proxy warfare long enough to just take it over).

>. China is a greater threat than Russia.
It might be, but we don't border them. Nor are they taking over neighbor states.
As dangerous as they are, we have a 5-8 state buffer via the Arabic states alone.
And Russia has Mongolia as a buffer state.

>Finland and Norway have experienced no harm from Russia.
German education right here, folks.

>They are becoming isolated. Not very smart

>says the island shithole voting on leaving the EU completely

>Russian gas
Actually about 50% of it was bought from Turkmenistan and then run through a couple fake overseas companies before selling it forward to inflate the price and allow various key players in Russia and Turkmenistan to pocket the extra money.

Tighter trade links reduces the chance for war

This.
Even at the height of the cold war, Russia still delivered.

If anything, a pipeline without Russian influence in the south would be nice to buy Central Asian gas.

See
There is a price.

> Norway considers everything north of Tronderlag to be expandable. And lived the entire cold war of being close allies with both part.


what the fuck do expect while being a member of anti soviet alliance and sharing border with soviets

EBIL RUSSIANS WHY SO AGGRESSIVE JUST LET ME JOIN ANTI SOVIET ALLIANCE AND ATTACK YOU ;(( OH YOU CAN COUNTER ATTACK?? REALLY? SO AGGRESSIVE!!!!

>They are becoming isolated. Not very smart

>says the island shithole voting on leaving the EU completely
>What they could also have done is to invest solar power plants in Spain, Italy or Northern Africa and transfer that energy to gas.

Armchair energy economists that think they know better than German leadership are simply retarded.

>never just commercial

? Source needed ?

>then bite if they yield

Uhh what?

Not if they are lopsided. In that case it just promotes cuckoldry.

>Going by how Russians do submarine espionage?

Any evidence of this?
Going by how America used NSA to spy on everyone in Europe, maybe you should be watching your backs.

>Yes, the prices are, costs aren't, fucking idiot
You talked about negotiations. There's nothing to negotiate there.

>And Russians will say that China wants to pay more for the gas and what's gonna happen then?
Nothing because Nord Stream II is a go, which binds consumer and supplier for decades, including prices. These are always long term contracts. You should know this if you were as smart as you act. This geopolitical victory over China is already in the EU's bag, thanks to the support of various Western European governments for the Nord Stream consortium.

>It's a fucking monopoly.
No it isn't. South Stream would have been which is why it violated EU rules and had to be abandoned, no matter what silly shit the Italians try to imply. Nord Stream isn't.

>investopedia.com/terms/l/law-of-supply-demand.asp
Lol show the actual price to support your actual claim. Oh wait you can't as you were just speculating about some hypothetical bullshit. That's what your entire argument is based upon.

>Ultimate energy security is to control the production like the French do with Nuclear.
Lol the French have to ration electricity in times of drought (meaning every summer, and increasingly often in winter, too) and are dependent on African shitholes for their Uranium supplies. You don't really believe they went to Mali because of Boko Haram, do you? No, they wen't there because they fear it might spread over to Niger which is one of their major Uranium suppliers.

>That's the dream. Nothign wrong with that.
Lol if it required any further proof that you don't know shit about the world, here it is.

>Keeeping people in basements is a Germanic thing, fucking unterschit skeletor.
Haha, gets told, spergs autism

You don'T built a LNG terminal for hundreds of millions of dollar and then don't use it. That's not how you make business.

>what the fuck do expect while being a member of anti soviet alliance and sharing border with soviets
Literally not being invaded, nothing more.
Diplomancy? Just not being in a situation where Gulag Captain comes over and says "do this, or we invade, NYET!"

>what is OPEC

Yeah, Obama is correct in everything too.

>? Source needed ?
I'm not going to spoon feed you this very thread, ruskie cuck.

Tighter MUTUAL trade links reduce chance of war.
Single side export just means the political game just keeps on going.

I.E Why Poland is a east europa shithole, even if they export workforce to entire of Europa to build economy.

(Citation needed)

This is empirically proven.

Germany exports more to Russia than it imports.

>not if they are lopsided

>implying Germany didn't just produce all of its energy needs with renewable just a few days ago

Have you been invaded? No.

EBIL SOVIETS didn't want war.

Even your fucking Okkupert shows it clearly. EU-Norwegian conflict, EU commanded their marionette russia to invade Norway. It's not like russia did it by itself.