/pcbg/ - PC Building General-- Intel Core i5 Edition Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questions.
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>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons by vendor and compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com >General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice (which is pretty outdated/shit), Windows activation information. pastebin.com/F9diF2hA (embed) >Semi-outdated information about how to assemble a PC, how to select components, etc. wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC
>Pentium G4560 remains the best if your budget is only around $500. >The Ryzen 1700 is the only R7 worth purchasing. >i5 edges out R5 for gaming, R5 wins in apps. >i3 are no longer worth getting with ZERO exceptions. The budget choice is the G4560. Otherwise get an i5/r5. >Whoever saying locked i5s were useless were hedging on great R5 performance... oh well. >The R5 1600 is the best all around chip for the price, it's a better choice than an R7 for gaming. >RX 500 series around 10% better than 400s >for budget builds, consider a mATX setup for case/mobo savings >RX 550 not worth it over 460 for esports builds
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Watch out for falsified infographics/benchmarks
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i own an i5-7600k because AMD dragged ass so i pulled the trigger on a platform i knew was stable.
Ryzen 5 vs i5, you will get a more well rounded system with Ryzen for a bit cheaper.
though with Ryzen only hitting its Peaks with Fast Ram at a time when DDR4 3000+mhz ram is super Expensive.................. make sure the parts you pick compliment each other within your budget.
Christopher Cook
>Caviar Blue
David Roberts
What's wrong with it?
Sebastian Foster
G4560 and RX 470 is a good budget build, correct? I'm finally getting into PC gaming.
Parker Morris
caviar blacks are the only gud WD drives user
Justin Jackson
Yes but a 570 will get you better bang for your buck. What is your budget?
Grayson Wright
And why is that?
William Turner
>i3s are like 10% faster for double the price
Intel what are you doing
Liam Thomas
$525 I found an RX 470 on Amazon for $189.99 I just found a 570 too but no two day shipping
Michael Martinez
what this guy said, get a 570 and overclock that shit
Jack Turner
Is it worth the extra $10? [spoiler]Even if I don't plan to overclock because I have no idea how to do that[/spoiler]
Connor Rodriguez
>Intel what are you doing Panicking like a cute anime girl.
Michael Gomez
OCing GPUs is super easy but yes the extra 10 bucks is worth it. The only time the RX 500s aren't worth it is if you are upgrading from a 400 to a 500.
Here is a list I quickly put together. You could cut down on some stuff but for the most part that's what it should look like.
Owen Turner
Just pulled the trigger on this after some input from here last night. For muh 1440p gaymen and "productivity"
Alexander Roberts
very much worth the tenbux and overclocking a gpu is a lot easier than overclocking a cpu (although even that is easymode)
to overclock my 7870, I >installed Afterburner >set voltage limit +10% >moved core clock slider to 1150MHz >moved memory clock slider to 1450MHz >clicked apply >fire up some games, everything justwerx
Looking to build a 1080p gaming PC. This is my first time doing so. I have a budget of $1000. Can anyone help me out with this?
Nathaniel Wood
>7700K delid this >Noctua NH-D15 my nignog, don't change this >Intel 730 SSD >not a Samsung or Crucial >EVGA if you like coil whine and fried VRMs I guess
Hunter Scott
Ryzen 1600 1TB Caviar Blue HDD Samsung 850 or MX300 Crucial, whichever is cheaper Any modular Seasonic PSU NZXT 340 case of any color RX 570 from Powercolor+, Sapphire, or Gigabyte pirate windows 7 or 10
Alexander Nguyen
how much do you care about unnecessary quality? dust filters, sound foam, good coolers for your gpu/cpu and such. or do you just want the "it just werks" build.
Jack Price
Enjoy.
Landon Allen
what do i switch the 7700k out for?
what should i switch out the SSD and EVGA for?
Tyler Cox
i've been trying to get a used Fury for around $200 but i'm about to say fuck it and get a 580
Brody James
cheaper if the GPU was an rx 570
Jordan Brown
Yep, for 1080p the 1070 is overkill, but I was just showing it's possible. Could drop down to 570/580 and get some more storage and an aftermarket cooler.
Liam Thompson
why the shit is everything so expensive
that should be like $500 cheaper
Sebastian Murphy
So like this: pcpartpicker.com/list/FMrQ9W What about RAM and a motherboard? I just want something that will work for me for the foreseeable future. Thank you. Which is better, the 570 or 580? Why would I need a cooler as well?
Luis Foster
It's the fucking Nvidia GPU combined with the G3 upgrade over the G2 which fixed the power loss corruption issue the superflower rebrand had.
Justin Cooper
>Which is better, the 570 or 580? Why would I need a cooler as well?
If you're not overclocking, the 580 is faster. I've heard you can OC the 570 and it comes up to the same speed as the 580, but the 580 doesn't OC well. Either will be fine for 1080p 60hz.
You don't need an aftermarket cooler, the stock Wraith Spire cooler seems pretty good, but if you want something quieter and cooler to squeeze out every last Mhz of OC, you could get an aftermarket. They also look good.
Tyler Diaz
I probably should have noted, that's in Canuck bucks. So yes, with the exchange rate and higher taxes up here in socialist hell, it is about $1100USD
Bentley Butler
How easy is it to OC graphics cards? If they both be fine, they why not just get the 570? >You don't need an aftermarket cooler I mean if it will save me money I'll just hold off on the cooler.
Brody Perez
You can use a program like MSI Afterburner, it's very simple and safe as long as you aren't changing the voltage. It's a good question though, i'm not equipped to answer because I have not actually used either. Without OC, 580 is a faster. I read that 570 can OC to catch up and 580 is at a limit out of the box. I could be wrong, another user could clarify.
And yeah, stock is fine to save money.
Noah Mitchell
Looks like Canadian prices to me.
Eli Rivera
If it's that easy to do, then wouldn't it be more efficient to buy the 570 then just OC it? Or would that shorten it's life?
Owen Bell
I just finished putting together my PC and I get the EZ troubleshooting LEDfor the CPU telling me there's a problem. The the troubleshooting LED for the GPU comes on after.
I have reseated the GPU probably 10 times, I have plugged in and replugged in the CPU power cables multiple times. I even removed the CPU fan and checked the CPU for bent pins but everything seems fine.
Anyone have any tips? This is my first time building a PC so it could easily be something dumb and simple.
Also, It's a Ryzen 7 on a Tomahawk with a GTX 1060 if that helps.
Logan Barnes
Yes, that is the argument. No, it won't shorten the life as long as it is within recommended temps range. Since you won't fuck around with voltage, you shouldn't be able to push it past safe temps.
Jackson Parker
I can just get a 570 in that case and cut back on costs a bit more.
Swap out the WD for the newest Seagate Barracuda. Get 3000 or 3200 RAM if possible, it shouldn't be much more. The PSU is tier 3, which is meh. S12II 620W if you don't care about modular (your case has a PSU cover) or get a Seasonic G / EVGA GQ for semi-modular, EVGA G3 for full modular.
Evan Green
Make sure you have compatible RAM. What is the error code the LED is showing even.
Kayden Sanders
has anyone RMA'ed a Used GPU before?
whats the best way to go about RMA'ing a card purchased used, that would still be under warranty if in the hands of the original owner?
Colton Campbell
When. Are the Vegas coming out and what will be the pricing?
>turn on pc >RAM is at 2133 MHz >update BIOS >now it runs at 2600 MHz >update again >2933 MHz >everytime I try to run at 3200 MHz it complains and reboots like four times before going back to 2133 MHz
>turns out Ryzen has horrible memory management
Did I just get clock-cucked?
Robert Turner
On the Tomahawk there are 4 LEDs
1. CPU 2. RAM 3. GPU 4. Boot
The CPU one comes on first, then it goes out and the GPU one comes on. I know the motherboard is connected to the GPU though because the fan spins upon boot and only turns off after the GPU LED comes on.
I know how unlikely it is that the parts are actually bad. I'm just confounded. I've taken tons of laptops and desktops apart before and never had a problem.
Gavin Cooper
>MSI B350M Gaming Pro Check the official memory support and make sure your BIOS is updated. It is well known that Ryzen has memory issues right now, which are being addressed through updates.
AMD is dragging ass again. They havent said anything about Prices.
Brandon Fisher
don't even let people try to tell you that memory OC problems are exclusive to ryzen, i'm going through a similar headache on an x99 set up.
Isaac Russell
>pcpartpicker.com/list/zrCW8K Extremely solid. Check reviews on the monitor though, I cannot advise you on that and it's a good investment since you will keep it for a long time.
Trying to post last time before going back to the store. Got a new mobo,cpu,ram and cooler yesterday. Assembled everything myself,turned it on and got this message,also the keyboard doesn't respond so I can't enter bios settings. Things I tried:disconnecting all the USB panels from the mobo,resetting the bios by taking off the battery and by short circuting the clrtc,tried to connect only the PSU and the screen to the onboard card and still got this problem. Is it safe to say it's a defect mobo? The store I got it from is pretty shady,what common bullshit can they use to refuse replacing it? The mobo is Asus prime z270-a by the way.
Joshua White
first remove mouse if keyboard doesn't work after restart, get a ps/2 keyboard the mobo isn't defective otherwise you wouldn't even get to this screen
Parker Martinez
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Jeremiah Ortiz
All I can say is, don't go above 24" for 1080p monitor. IPS looks better than TN, but is more expensive. Response time isn't important under 5ms, unless you're playing competitive CS:GO or something.
Joshua Sanders
I already tried removing the mouse and tried to connect the keyboard through different ports. Didn't tried to connect a ps/2 keyboard but I doubt it will change anything seeing as I still got this error with no USB ports connected at all. It's seems that all the people who solved it online split into 2 groups:those who actually disconnected a faulty USB device and those who rma'ed the mobo.
Is there another good brand like sapphire for a 580? because I don't know if I should trust superbiiz to have it in stock. Also Is there a better CPU cooler I could get for around the same price since I don't want to wait for may for cooler master to send me the AM4 bracket
Benjamin Powell
As I mentioned in the post I already tried to disconnect all the USBs from the mobo.
Brandon Miller
You're right. All AMD processors have memory OC problems.
Logan Thomas
Red Devil is good. As is Gigabyte. You don't need an aftermarket cooler though.
Levi Harris
So do you want to play Minesweeper or crysis? How can anyone suggest anything to you if they don't know what you want to do in the first place?
Thanks man! Even if I OC I still wouldn't need an after market cooler?
Connor Jones
No, the 1600 comes with one. All the Ryzen 5s do, except the 1600X.
Cooper Reyes
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Well that was my first PC, not the last one I built. But long enough ago that I can't test the RAM on it; my current PC is DDR3 and the new ones DDR4.
I don't have a system I can check it on. But I have nothing else to try, really. I'm reasonably confident the motherboard and processor work, as they're both brand new, and also because I've used three different combinations thereof (CPU 1 + MB 1, CPU 2 + MB 1, CPU 2 + MB 2), and it's the exact same issue every time; LEDs on, fans on, and that's it. No beeps, no BIOs, no POST, nothing on the screen. The GPU has been tested and works. The PSU has been tested and works, and i tried a different PSU, and have the same result. The only things I don't absolutely know work are the SSD and RAM, but the SSD doesn't matter yet if I can't get to BIOS.
William Flores
depends, i usually turn down graphics to get closer to the 144 dream.
James Lopez
You can get a $165 4GB MSI 570 on jet.com with some spring sale code
IM BOUTA DO IT
Lucas Carter
Fuck they charge tax. Still 15 bucks cheaper than newegg though..
Alexander Clark
>FX-6300 >8GB RAM >HD7850 GPU >420W PSU
Lads is this a decent build for current gen triple A gaming on mid settings?
The price range is pretty much perfect with this one, and i could always update to a better AM3+ CPU later on if it started bottlenecking so yeah i'm looking for third opinions here (especially on the CPU) because i need to decide on this shit quick
Samuel Moore
I can run those at medium at maybe 30FPS on my 750 Ti, so yeah you're probably okay...
Robert Cruz
That's absolutely shit by today's standards. Get new parts and ypu'll get a far better experience. G4560 and 1050 should dl the trick
Nolan Young
Hmm thanks i'm going to look up some further forum posts and benchmarks here and then just bite the bullet if it turns out to look like a decent platform to build onto for the next couple years
Further opinions are welcome too of course :-)
Ayden Morales
Yeah i just saw that the CPU came out in late 2012 so that's why i'm asking basically
Basically i'd retain the option to upgrade both the GPU and CPU at some later point anyways, the point is that my current build has an ancient AM3 CPU in it which is why i want to make the switch anyways
Julian Martin
>Basically i'd retain the option to upgrade both the GPU and CPU
Then you need an AM4 platform with Ryzen. That's the only non-dead end platform out right now.
like i said last time. make a tripcode so i can filter you. goddamn these retards are getting dumber by the minute
Cooper Mitchell
Build upon what? That cpu is a massive bottleneck
Grayson Ortiz
Depends on the price really. The GPU is perhaps a bit weak, but should still be able to run games at low-med. In Dark Souls 3 for example you can expect 50-60 FPS on low settings @ 1080p with rare dips to the 30s.
With a build like that you don't really have a lot of upgrade paths though. Probably the only viable way of partially upgrading the build would be to first get a new PSU+GPU and then later a new mobo+cpu+ram.
Jackson Torres
Didn't he make this thread way too early?
At 15:14:39 the other thread was only at like 50 posts in.
7700k is still pretty good for 1080p. It's not as smooth, but it's still pretty smooth and with good averages. I'd still recommend Ryzen usually, but the 7700k is not a completely pants-on-head-retarded idea like an i5 is. It's just poor value.
A good RX570 4GB like the Red Devil will play all but a handful of games maxed at that. Those other games you'll have to turn settings down to very high or high on.
Ryder Edwards
Which one wud you personally recommend then?
What's a rough amd FX equivalent to i5 6600?
Hudson Cooper
That's some funny shit. Ryzen shits all over all the previous AMD CPUs. Go for Ryzen or go Skylake Intel.
Nathan Lopez
AMD Shill Spotted.
Nolan Cooper
There is no FX equivalent to the i5-6600. It's just far worse. The 1500X is better than both, though.
Also a 7850 is going to be on "low" for many newer games. I have to go low on a few with my 7970 that's more than twice as powerful. But for the vast majority I can play at medium or very high, if not maxed. You'll be a notch or two down with that GPU.
Luke Jackson
Gigabyte Radeon GPUs are loud and hot. Don't know where you got the idea that they're good.
If you're doing 1440p, I'd get the best RX580 you can. The Red Devil Golden Sample or GTR-S. A Nitro++ would be alright if you want to stick with Sapphire.
>pcpartpicker.com/product/yjrG3C/asus-monitor-vs248hp Spend $10 more on a 75Hz Freesync instead. And like the other user was saying.. even 24" is a bit big for 1080p imo. I find my 24" 1920x1200 to be too low pixel density. 24-27" is good for 1440p.
Camden Hall
Hey look, OP dropped his trip and drake avataring
Samuel Scott
Yeah i'd upgrade the GPU at some point anyways
The FX6300 build mentioned above would set me back about 230 so yeh i don't know if that's a decent price or not for the whole package, it would defo be an improvement over my current CPU but then again i don't want to get ripped off The
Charles Walker
AM3 is a dead end. Go fucking AM4 or stick with Intel.
Thomas Roberts
Does the price include a case, SSD/HDD, fans, aftermarket CPU cooling or something other not mentioned in the first post? If it's a full build with a decent PSU and it's in your price range I'd probably go for it and upgrade the GPU to a RX 470 or something similar.
