/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com/
THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
CPUs: >G4560 for budget builds (R5 1500X will keep above 60fps in every game. No i5 >R5 1600 is the best value for higher fps gaming and mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC >i7-7700k is bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks >R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use. R5 if budget
Graphics: >G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc >1050Ti - if on sale for ~$105. RX560 soon & looks good >RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz >RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA and drop settings for some games >1060 - Gets outperformed by the RX 580; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA) >1070 - not worth the extra cost for Gsync, except in certain cases >1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz. >1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings >Freesync2 & Vega soon.
General: >READ PRODUCT REVIEWS on a retailer page to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor >mATX is often cheaper as the board+case is usually less >1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs >Good air cooler is almost always wiser than an AIO
reposting from Going to purchase all the parts tomorrow. So I'd appreciate some last minute opinions. pcpartpicker.com/list/F4TqJV Budget is $800. Mostly gonna be focusing on emulation (Dolphin and PCSX2, no cemu) and playing games from around 2010. It might be a little much for what I intend to use it for, but I always like the option and want to get the most out of my money. I just want to know if I can get something better for cheaper or for the same price.
William Flores
For ASUS Prime X370-Pro should I put gpu in the slot away from cpu and m.2 slot if i am gonna use a m.2 ssd? Do I still need extra fans?
Samuel Nguyen
Whats a good 1440p 144hz monitor with freesync? Also should i wait for freesync 2 before i get a montior?
Ryan Wilson
dude why are you even asking that? It seems like you have that answered yourself. It's your PC. Pick the layout of the M.2 and PCI Slots that you want. Simple.
I mean for emulation it's overkill. You can make like a $450 i3-7350k HTPC using the igpu to emulate those. But if you wanna emulate 6-12 games at once, ya that build is good.
Freesync 2 will probably cost way more. They must be 1ms response time and have HDR10 support both to be Freesync2, iirc. That means QLED, OLED, very high quality VA, and other expensive stuff mostly. I'm waiting for it myself.. but I'm fine spending $1000+ for a monitor. In the $400-$600 range there's a few choices. That new Nixeus monitor that's on Massdrop for $400, and the MG279Q. I've heard mixed shit about the Pixio. Idk just look at reviews.
Alexander Barnes
because people said that gpu heat can heat up m.2 ssd and you gotta make sure its in a good spot.
Owen Williams
Alright thanks. I'll go check out those monitors now.
Oliver Collins
>But if you wanna emulate 6-12 games at once, ya that build is good. Perfect. This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you.
Jordan Clark
Wait.
Dominic Howard
>Benchmarks are important but, it is just as important to understand what they mean in the real world.
Um.. GPU reviewers test actual gameplay. Perhaps you've heard of a youtube channel called Digital Foundry, or any website that reviews GPU performance for that matter. baka...
btw, refresh rates have reached 200Hz+ (one is a G-Sync monitor), and my 144Hz monitor (XL2430T) didn't come anywhere near $1000. You're just making stuff up now, so I can't take anything you say seriously.
But hey, good luck waiting for noticeable Ryzen optimizations. I mean, they can't be any worse than the Windows Scheduler fix morons thought was coming to make Ryzen soar!
Robert Ward
what does ryzen care more about in gayming, dual channel or actual RAM speed? i want to get a 2x8 now but the highest frequency is 2666 while a 1x8 is 3200.
Ryder Gonzalez
Well I do plan on ordering tomorrow so I have time to spare.
Landon Barnes
Depending on how important PCSX2 is to you, you might consider going with the 7350k instead of Ryzen. It's like the only use case that a 7350k is even good for. Single threaded performance is king for PCSX2 (and Dolphin as well but Dolphin is much easier to run). I have a 5820k that I have at a modest clock and it's fine for 90% of PCSX2 games even with a fairly low clock but some games can still make it chug pretty badly during certain sequences, just something to consider.
Obviously the 1600 is a much, much better chip for any other kind of PC gaming but if your focus is older 2010-2011 tier PC games and emulation, you really can't do better than the 7350k.
Matthew White
lol. Ryzen does PCSX2 more than fine. There are a few issues with AMD GPUs on it, though.
>reddit formatting
John Jones
Anyone have the recent vidya graphs for Ryzen 5s?
I'm looking to get a new monitor and not sure if I should spend it on a 144hz / 120hz if they can't push anywhere close to those FPS.
Hudson Phillips
>Ryzen does PCSX2 more than fine. Ryzen tier IPC will be fine in 90+% of the situations in PCSX2, like I mentioned. You can't tell me that a 3.8 GHz Ryzen isn't going to experience slowdowns in certain games though, that's just wrong. It's not Ryzen's fault either, it's just the insane nature of PCSX2 emulation.
Dylan Wood
R5 can easily hit 144hz but it is mostly dependent on your video card
If you have a 1070 you can do 144hz 1080p easy.
Nathan Ortiz
>Single threaded performance is king for PCSX2 What? As far as i remember that thing uses 8 thread
Christian King
You should wait to see Vega benchmarks on it and how well that pushes 120hz+ on it or not.
Lots of issues currently are Nvidia's driver.
I've seen tons of games running with PCSX2 on Ryzen and it does 60fps fine. And that's on the 1700 that's just 3.3GHz all core most of the time on it. What PCSX2 game(s) don't run well?
Tyler Morales
My 1700 is able to stream and play PCSX2 with the best settings with zero slow down, even more extensive games like metal gear solid 3.
Please don't make things up
Hudson Flores
You're thinking of PCSX3...
Eli Cox
Nope. Dual core. I believe it can use a third thread for really basic background shit that really doesn't handle much related to the performance.
It depends on the game. FFXII esper sequences, Tales of the Abyss world map screen, etc. Good luck with those.
Believe it or not, of the thousands of PS2 games that exist, some of them are not that well optimized.
Luis Richardson
oh right
Adrian Edwards
>Believe it or not, of the thousands of PS2 games that exist, some of them are not that well optimized. getting a dual core because a few games aren't optimized is stupid
Jose Mitchell
Is freesync worth having past 80hz?
Like half these fucking monitors are all "We have freesync technology!!!" then you go look it specifically and they cap out at something stupid like 30-60hz.
If it's not needed for 100+FPS shenanigans just tell me now so I can end this suffering of looking for a monitor with that caps out at like 120hz -144hz Freesync.
Nathaniel Lopez
freesync and g-sync are great to have but g-sync is way better but only works with nvidia
if you're a poorfag i would get freesync but if you're the type of person who wants the best everything, get g-sync
Thomas Torres
The dude is building a PC specifically for emulation and older games. He's like the one person out of a thousand that is going to benefit more from a 7350k at 5.0 Ghz compared to a Ryzen with four physical cores and four logical cores sitting idle while he's voltage limited to something like 3.8 or 3.9 GHz while hitting stutters and slowdowns in PCSX2. Give the man what he wants.
Landon Cooper
40-75 or 40-85hz range is alright.
I can see a noticeable different from 60 to 85. More so than 85 to 120.
Dylan Diaz
Is 320 a good deal for this its a gtx 1070 XLR8? it would be replacing a MSI r9 390.
Landon Kelly
R8? I'm building a small mATX comp that I can use for audio production and video compositing. Playing games would also be nice. I have an older 970 that I don't see good reason to replace. I want it to be as quiet as possible. I plan on setting those crazy 3000rpm noctuas on something that doesn't screech.
Lincoln Johnson
why dont use mATX user? you can save around $30 on motherboard alone and case too of course
Jason Brooks
Get the 1700 instead of the 1700x.
Ian Garcia
That's not much of an upgrade outside of power consumption. The 390 performance isn't far off from the 1070 in 1440p on like half the games from the past 2 years.
Robert Carter
is that a fanless PSU?
Jack Howard
Really? I've seen benchmarks between the 2 and the 1700X persistently outperforms its non X counterpart in Single core tasks. While single core performance isn't a be all end all for me, the extra 30$ for a 15-20% single core increase seems justified to me.
Carson Gutierrez
No
Carter Rodriguez
he's saying to get the 1700 because you can OC the 1700 to the levels of 1700X and now you have a cheaper processor with the same exact power
Brody Hughes
Well you should get one if you're going for quietness
Christian Lopez
>mATX I'm still relatively new to this. This is my first ever build so any specific recommendations and reasons?
no bully
Carter Thomas
what are some good CPU coolers that are compatible with Ryzen out of box without having to wait for a bracket to be sent?
something like this, well its cheaper(not $30 like i said tho) but yeah, smaller form factor. and you probably dont need excessive port on ATX like 2nd pci port, so why not get smaller and cheaper build while get everything you need there.
Zachary Anderson
any good leds?
Jackson Gonzalez
I heard there were serious compatibility issues with the R5 and GTX 10* series cards though?
Luke Gray
How does this look.
>Budget 6-700 max >intended use Emulators, Modeling programs, games on medium settings (I still primarily play on consoles), preferably a PC that lasts a few years besides upgrading the GPU and some more storage
i'm telling you now that any "budget build to play on medium settings" today is not going to last a few years. if anything a high end build will last a few years, a budget build will last like 1-2 years before you notice how shit it is
i would upgrade to an intel 7700k besides the ryzen if you do plan to upgrade the gpu in the future. at least with intel you will pay slightly more for twice the performance
Henry Peterson
anyone?
Blake Murphy
>i would upgrade to a cpu with two less cores! that way it will last longer =)
Aaron Perry
How does this look? Gonna order it from chinkland.
Isaac James
Maximum faggotry.
Anthony Hernandez
Well, I cant justify getting the 7700k to myself.
Maybe "lasting a few years" is a bit hopeful but I honestly dont plan to use it for much gaming besides a couple MMOs and Overwatch.
I'm only a beginning modeler on a tight budget, is this the best I can do with 700? Should I go above the 1050?
Luis Green
Get a semi-modular or modular PSU. You can often find them for $30-$40 on sale like every other week. Get at least DDR 2666 memory. That case is kind of ugly as shit? You could get the Rosewill SRM-01 or Zalman T5.
That's not an awful price for a 1050Ti I guess, but the RX570 is like 70% faster than the 1050Ti for only $55 more.
It's really an overkill build for you, but it's in your budget.
Luke James
>spending $1000 on ebin chinese floating case do it and post what you get
Luis Reed
Recommend me a CPU cooler for Ryzen that out of box is compatible. No having to get in touch with the manufacturer to send a compatible part
How does this look man? This will net me better performance due to the 570?
Angel Ross
Just do some fucking review-reading you useless sack of shit. This isn't spoonfeeding general, your question is basic as fuck.
Nathaniel Hill
First time building a PC. How does pcpartpicker.com/list/w6y3XH look for playing games like New Vegas or Civ 5 at a roughly $500 budget? And any recommendations for good but relatively cheap monitors/mechanical keyboards?
Both are 1440p g-sync at 144Hz but I'm leaning towards the Dell since it goes on sale for 400$ every week or so.
Ryder Foster
Whoops. Didn't mean to reply
Nolan Turner
>Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general. I started with a component list and asked for suggestions. I don't know specifics so I asked. How is that against the thread's rules?
Levi Powell
Just do some fucking review-reading you useless sack of shit. This isn't spoonfeeding general.
Eli Thompson
You've asked like 3 times in the thread already and received no replies. In that time you could have done your own research. The stock wraith coolers have been more than adequate for Ryzen. Nobody gives a shit about waiting for AM4 HSF brackets to become available because nobody gives a shit.
Ryan Murphy
Well it certainly isn't against the thread rules.
Christian Peterson
You gave a shit because you answered my question, which is exactly what I've been waiting for.
Christopher Reed
You're welcome user.
Anthony Adams
How have you not read about the wraith cooler being decent yet? Literally watch/read one Ryzen review before you buy it.
Fuck off.
William Phillips
You're welcome again, user.
Landon Taylor
You're both ever so welcome.
Elijah Long
Don't fall for the amd meme
Isaiah Evans
Fuck off.
Fuck the fuck off.
Benjamin Sanchez
You'll always, and forever be welcome in this general user. We love you. Tell us what's troubling you.
Connor Torres
What monitor should I buy? IPS? TN? VA? MVA???? What's the difference between these??? I'm not a gamer, but would like to have good contrast between light and dark colours... I don't know much about monitors... Help...
Owen Ortiz
IPS or OLED
Caleb Martin
A decent, not too expensive (~200€) 1080 monitor would suffice my needs
Kayden Cook
I read on Sup Forums that oled consumes lots of electricity...
Landon Howard
I read on Sup Forums that the 7700k is the best gaming CPU too
Easton Rogers
This is actually correct.
Anthony Rogers
Why do you insist on ruining this thread?
Caleb Ramirez
I require a motherboard with highest possible FSB bus speed.
Or
A CPU with as large a L3 Cache as possible.
Any suggestions?
James Bell
The 7700k consistently gets 10+ FPS over Ryzen for gaming.
the Ryzen is better for every single other task, but for gaming the 7700k is objectively better.
Colton Anderson
...
Ian Richardson
It's the "best" for like the next year or two until graphics cards of the next generation leave shit like the 1080 and 1080ti in the dust. The 7700k is a shitty buy in 2017. I'm not saying Ryzen is perfect but investing $400 in a dead socket + CPU is a stupid move. We've been over this.
Adequate-tier. Fuck that keyboard though.
Samuel Ward
xeons
Jackson Mitchell
Can someone recommend me a good cheap mouse that I can mod to be silent? Something reliable and reasonably accurate. Preferably wired. I use claw/finger grip.
Should I stick with the Zotac, or jump on the 54 dollar sandisc or 53 dollar pny I found on amazon?
Also, I'll need an adapter bracket right?
Henry Moore
What's a better keyboard then
Luke Sullivan
I'm not a keyboard autist so I couldn't really tell you. I have a $35 mech. chink keyboard off amazon. TOMOKO or something. Honestly though, membrane keyboards don't even bother me and may even be better for certain kinds of gaming IMO. I much prefer my old membrane keyboard (had it for about 10 years) for FPS gaming.
Liam Myers
how long will a 1080 last?
will a mid range card next year beat the 1080?
James White
yes wait for vega
Jeremiah Fisher
Wrong, but not incorrect.
Those are fucking cancerously expensive server CPUs with more capability than a single desktop could EVER even come close to even 25% max potential.
Do you have any idea how much a Xeon 7 with 4 cores and 60 MB cache costs?
7+ grand.
My fault for not distinguishing between a desktop build from a server build but w/e.
high end commercial use CPU with as large as possible l3 Cache.
Jordan Morgan
What's your budget? Your question is too vague. Would something like a 6800k work?
Gavin Evans
Really?
I'm building my computer this week so I guess I will just get a 1060... was hoping the 1080 would last me several years but to hear that mid range cards next year are going to beat it, no point in spending $500 when a $300 card next year will be superior
Jace Evans
>will a mid range card next year beat the 1080? Probably about a tie. See GTX 980 vs GTX 1060 for a comparison.
He's just trolling you with the "wait for vega" meme. Note the name.
Isaiah Richardson
Budget just for the CPU component is about 1k.
6800k wouldn't be bad, 15 MB cache, but it's still not enough. I would be better off buying a fast possible motherboard and RAM in that case and buying a 7700k.
Cache misses are a constant thing with what I have in mind, but I'm not about to blow 7k on an underperforming CPU just because it has 60 MB cache (underperforming for desktop operations anyways)
Henry Green
My new graphics card is shutting off the pc randomly when playing games but my old one doesn't do that but will occasionally freeze for a moment.
Any idea what might be the problem here so I can investigate more? Doesn't appear to be over heating.
Anthony Gomez
Sounds like a PSU problem.
Angel Barnes
As with any unusual computer problem it's software>PSU>Mobo>CPU in that order. The cheapest way to find out which it is is have any entire functional computer of the same chipset and swap out parts until you find the broken part. You can take it to a shop but the only time i ever did that they said it was the hard drive and it absolutely wasn't then they refused to refund me because "Well the hard drive was indeed faulty".
Asher Wright
>Those are fucking cancerously expensive server CPUs with more capability than a single desktop could EVER even come close to even 25% max potential. buy used >Do you have any idea how much a Xeon 7 with 4 cores and 60 MB cache costs? I don't know about 60 MB l3, but I do know E7-2870's go for 45 dollars and they have 30MB l3
But if you're looking for consumer chips, I think Ryzens 18MB are the highest you can get at the moment.
