Redpill me on "net neutrality" Sup Forums. There's so much disinformation around this subject floating around. I can't tell what the truth is anymore, or If I even did to begin with.
I used to think that EFF did good work, and I trusted them on internet issues. But Agit Pai's comments make a lot of sense, and I have no doubt that any "privacy" law enacted by Obama was a shameless power grab. Also John Oliver is a loser.
lol the matrix is my favorite movie too XD
I like eff too and am against the nn provisions. It seems like they are divided on the issue but the liberal camp won
>Redpill me
Why can't you go to your own board, and stay? We've discussed the topic to death on Sup Forums, and yet you retards come here with your illiterate phoneposter opinions as if they're fact.
The unprecedented regulatory power the Obama Administration imposed on the internet is smothering innovation, damaging the American economy and obstructing job creation. I urge the Federal Communications Commission to end the bureaucratic regulatory overreach of the internet known as Title II and restore the bipartisan light-touch regulatory consensus that enabled the internet to flourish for more than 20 years. The plan currently under consideration at the FCC to repeal Obama's Title II power grab is a positive step forward and will help to promote a truly free and open internet for everyone.
Did my words trigger you? Should I have asked for a quick rundown instead?
Also>illiterate phoneposter opinions
I haven't even express an opinion. I'm asking for opinions. Holy shit this board is even more cancerous than Sup Forums.
The best part is the bot that's spamming that shit isn't even trying to hide it.
Oh so you're a shill that pretends to be pol and shits up other boards
fuck Sup Forums
That's because its a false flag by pro nn soros people
>redpill me on this, Sup Forums!
>oh, I'm already "redpilled", I just want you to confirm my retarded opinion on this because I'm a retard
Net neutrality makes sure that companies treat ALL WEB TRAFFIC the same. The lies about how net neutrality is bad are unfounded. Net neutrality has basically been the default of the internet. Removing net neutrality means a company can throttle access or force you to pay more money to visit specific websites or access specific services. Here's what net neutrality actually protects you from:
2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.
2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.
2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)
2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace
2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)
2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.
2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.
NET NEUTRALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A "POWER GRAB" OR GOVERNMENT CENSORSHIP OF THE INTERNET
IN FACT, REMOVING IT MEANS A COMPANY CAN LEGALLY RESTRICT OR IMPEDE ON YOUR ABILITY TO ACCESS THE INTERNET
COMCAST OWNS MSNBC
TAKE THE REAL REDPILL
SAGE AND ALL CAPS BECAUSE FUCK YOU, NIGGER
Hi Comcast.
Dude did you just have that ready so you could defeat your own strawman? Cool
Don't forget
2017 - Time warner throttles league of legends players
Truly land of the free
The unprecedented regulatory power the Obama Administration imposed on the internet is smothering innovation, damaging the American economy and obstructing job creation. I urge the Federal Communications Commission to end the bureaucratic regulatory overreach of the internet known as Title II and restore the bipartisan light-touch regulatory consensus that enabled the internet to flourish for more than 20 years. The plan currently under consideration at the FCC to repeal Obama's Title II power grab is a positive step forward and will help to promote a truly free and open internet for everyone.
Internet should be a utility, plain and simple.
>Red pill me on x
Sup Forums actually wants NN, surprisingly.
Obama's title II power grab... What power is he exactly grabbing for himself here? Go on, I've got the day off troll.
According to you soros shills sure
Why?
Thats the old Sup Forums. Too much trump dick suckers there nowadays. Even the backlash agianst when he bombed syria got quickly silenced
What am I shilling exactly?
Thank you for the actual information, despite the salt. So what does Title 2 classification have to do with all of this. I've always thought the problem with all of this is that broadband is treated differently than dialup. A service rather than an utility.
This would be nice. Does what is going on now help or hinder this cause?
Kys comcast shill
I can get unlimited gigabit fiber basically anywhere in my state, don't write off the whole country.
Im not employed by anyone at all. Im neet. Who do you work for?
There is no reason the internet should be in the hands of irresponsible private companies.
Existing fiber should be nationalized, and the government should build up it's infrastructure to ensure 99% of the country has access to fiber. It's ridiculous that the most wealthy country in the world is so far behind on such an important issue
I guess neocon is fun, when it's come with a meme potus.
There is only one problem with all of those things: state enforced monopolies. Most local and state communities sign deals with ISPs that make them single or near single providers of services giving them virtual monopolies on service. My hometown was only allowed to have 1 cableprovider ( Mediacom ) and one DSL provider (Verizon).
Net neutrality would be a non issue if competition was allowed to happen, however it's the GOVERNMENT (who you're shilling for to 'protect' the internet) who creates the environment for most of these issues anyways.
Because it is ingrained in our daily use now, society today cannot function without it. It is almost comparable to a basic need. Almost... Financial transactions, information, socializing, you name it, we use the internet for it.
I agree, I would much rather the goverment be in complete control. What's the worst that could happen?
hopefully porn is next
Society can't function without food either, should that be nationalized? Would you prefer to stand in a breadline? What makes you think that he government would do a good job with anything internet related? I work for the Air Force and the the DoD is FUCKING TERRIBLE at providing a stable internet connection and IT services
Id rather not have to buy the "reddit meme" web package to browse this website.
Because when that happened, t_d went full shill mode, plus numerous subreddits were also raiding. Believe me or not, Sup Forums has their criticisms of him but do support him still.
Are you actually saying that because local city governments are allowed to do that shit, that means that the federal government is all of a sudden at fault?
So you would rather be beholden to both a corporation whose board of directors literally take an oath to squeeze every last possible penny out, and the government, rather than just the government.
Yep, sounds like a Sup Forumstard
Well they already spy on all of us and individual websites censor non PC content, so you can't use that as an excuse... Free speech and privacy are non existent on the webs because it is the owners of the servers that hold those powers.
I'm against it solely because of racist John Oliver
We heavily subsidize farming, what are you fucking stupid?
And what you are complaining about is bureaucracy... Not my problem
>it's another episode of Sup Forums showing how tech illiterate it is on Sup Forums
>it's another retard shills forget that anti-competitive behavior is already illegal episode
>it's another episode of Sup Forums showing how tech illiterate it is on Sup Forums
Yes. Unfortunately, you guys don't seem to know much better than me.
they are always the best types of threads
>implying Sup Forums hasn't already had these threads
>shills for MSNBC's parent company
>calls other people shills
Is Sup Forums too busy with Trump's impending impeachment to bother with net neutrality today?
Talk about two things that will never happen...
Every bit should be treated equal.
You upload something, someone else downloads it, its going to be as fast as it can possibly happen.
without net neutrality, comcast can own its own on demand service like netflix, throttle netflix to sub 100kbs per line making it unwatchable unless they pay for this new tier of ultra fast access to the internet that costs 50 times what they were paying before, but comcast's service will always have priority.
THAT is what everyone should be concerned with, but you got fagots reeeing about bug government imposing regulation on new startup isps, not taking into account that there are none.
>CNN
Damn you said faggots you must be an oldfag
No they can't you retard because throttling is already illegal. NN wasn't set to go into effect until December 2017. Literally nothing changes. They can't throttle, they can't tier or wall off arbitrary parts of the network.
what do you call retarded people who are overly obnoxious with their shit other then faggot?
You
funny thing is, it's not illegal, net neutrality sees that it is, otherwise you give priority to what you want over everything else instead of treating it all equally.
That is anti-competitive behavior that is already illegal under FTC jurisdiction.
except it isn't if you don't treat every bit the same, which it what nn enforces, providers even with net neutrality try to throttle and block shit all the fucking time, but at least you have grounds to sue them so long as net neutrality is in place.
Hey, guys.
Just came her to say..
..enjoy it while it lasts...
..because this too shall pass.
Old Sup Forums was neutral to net neutrality, nu-Sup Forums loves gargling trumps balls deep into their mouth.
Why the fuck is there this bullshit going around against net neutrality.
Of all places, Sup Forums should be supporting net neutrality, because otherwise large corporations will fuck you even more than they are already doing, by limiting and controlling your access to communications and information.
A simple way you can be fucked, is if net neutrality is removed, mobile companies start offering free or super cheap data plans for specific services (eg. YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Amazon, etc). But requiring you to pay a fuckton for other bandwidth.
Think what that will do to the masses, you'll be stuck getting fed the same shit, your information will be even more mined to sell you more shit. You are not exposed to any competitors so innovation in general decreases.
Government is already fucking you (spying, etc), now you want the massive soulless corporations to join them by restricting your access?
you said swear words and seem aggressive with your opinion. you persuaded me
That's if the FTC finds it anti competitive and the ISPs would just plant puppets or would bribe them.
There is already grounds to sue if deliberate anti-competitive behavior is taking place. NN has never even been enforced because it's not needed. The epic shit fit everyone throws at the slightest mishap in service keeps companies in line. This apocalyptic scenario where Comcast is going to lock down the entire Internet and feed it to you in tiered parcels, just because you think they can without NN, is about the most retarded idea ever.
We had 2 shit options, one would will fuck us hard, one may fuck us hard and we hedged our bet on the maybe over the will.
He may be shit, but he is at least entertaining shit unlike the cunt who would have had full support from one side 24/7 we got one with no support from either side, which thankfully puts us in effective gridlock for 4 years at the very least.
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ISPs would be more subtle at slowing down or censoring conservative news websites.
>what does Title 2 classification have to do with all of this
Verizon won a lawsuit for the right to selectively throttle traffic under Title 1 oversight (because preventing that behavior falls outside the bounds of what Title 1 permits the FCC to do). Title 2, being stricter, preserves net neutrality at the expense of more restrictive oversight. That's the trade-off: either the FCC is allowed to do its job and protect consumers, or service providers can exploit their monopoly as hard as they want and you, the customer, get to pay for the privilege of letting them do it.
Did you miss the part where companies where fined millions of dollars?
Then prove it and sue them because that is already illegal
title 2 makes it so its strictly regulated and they are forced to hit standards if not exceeded them.
lets say for instance, in the past there were providers who offered high speed internet that was 50kbps down 20up, and the government decided that you needed 300 down and 50 up to call yourself high speed. they would have to either increase their speed, or lose the ability to call themselves high speed, title 2 would force them to either step the fuck up or get fined.
Without net neutrality we'll get bullshit like:
Internet packages: Base package with all the news and media sites that are under the ownership umbrella of the ISP. Want access to other sites then buy an addon package. ISPs could completely block sites that aren't in your package.
Bribe based throttling: Your favorite streaming site didn't pay your ISP for a fastlane? Enjoy streaming throttled so badly it won't even work.
Censorship: Your ISP doesn't like a site, a person, a rival corp? Your ISP now blocks their site and claims it's "fake news" or some other such nonsense. Or blocks it and doesn't have to say anything because they don't have to justify controlling what flows through their routers.
millions when they make multi billions, year i'm sure that hurt them to the point they don't constantly fucking do it over and over and over and over again.
All of which are because net neutrality was in place to some extent, it just wasnt title II. shit skin in charge wants to remove all net neutrality laws.
>things that will never happen
>Did you miss the part where companies where fined millions of dollars?
Pocket change to these giants. They're not scared of the FTC and they're actively fighting for right to throttle. Get that corporate dick out of your ass for 5 minutes.
Don't be a dumbfuck idiot. ISPs will absolutely do everything they can to implement shit like that. And they'll do it under the guise of MUH JOBS. Profits over people is the American way.
See
I don't agree with 99% of the country having fiber, its just not possible due to how spread out it is, however, every place could easily get a 300mbit up and down line over the existing copper, that I am in favor of with a potential wifi/cell service that hits every place else that can't get fast land lines.
kys commie scum. If you don't like a corporation then don't give them any money, it's not that complicated
This exact thing has happened where ISPs have blocked applications from functioning on their networks. Whether it's mobile payment apps like Google Wallet, or throttling torrent traffic. This HAS been done in the past and it has been well documented. Classifying them as Title II would allow the FCC to bring the hammer down on them if they try it again.
This isn't some idiotic 'uhh hurr the internet is fine we dont need to do this', and just because you have an attention span of a goldfish and can't remember this shit happening 10 years ago doesn't mean it's not a real issue that needs to be addressed
>2013
NET NEUTRALITY IS THE GOOD ONE
GETTING RID OF IT IS BAD
NET NEUTRALITY = UNBAISED ACCESS TO THE INTERNET IN THE INTENDED WAY
WITHOUT NET NEUTRALITY, WEBSITES' ACCESS WILL BE THROTTLED BY YOUR ISP, INCLUDING Sup Forums
The government will block certain content and censor, a business will squeeze you for every fucking penny they can on top of the government forcing them to block and censor.
I will give control to the government before I get fucked up the ass further.
I bet you would defend dumping raw sewage into our rivers ancap faggot.
>getting rid of something that never existed
>Profits over people
Here one is right now
Do they really make sense? My understanding is that net neutrality prevents ISPs from profiting off of their auxiliary businesses, which he claims hurts small ISPs and therefore internet prices. Extra businesses are a large ISP thing, so I don't see the connection.
Please do explain.
caps have been used. the consensus opinion is agreed upon.
then you're a retard then because you will have both fucking your ass even harder because america is an oligarchy
yes, I would very much like heavily subsidised crops to make healthy food cheaper than the unhealthy food.
>edit
hello rebbit
lmao, what are you guys going to do about it? Cry on the internet about it?
Shut up and take your masters dick up your ass like the disposable fleshlight garbage you are.
All you hacker dweebs thought you ran the net, now it turns out you don't. You're about to get you noses shoved in shit like little puppies.
You didn't think they were going to let you get away with it forever, did you?
Now tell me that millions of people will die because congress "repealed" Obamacare.
learn English faggot
because free Internet should be a basic human right, right guys? Fucking retard
dude, the government already is on every isps ass, the only difference when it goes over to the government would likely be it gets cheaper because it's now subsidized by taxes instead of 'well shit, we laid all the lines with tax money, and we built all the infrastructure, let's give it to comcast so they can make money now'
because they're so efficient at everything else...
Don't you have another anti piracy thread to be making, corporate cock sucking cuck.
so give the government who layed dark fiber and forgot where it is in the ground control over the internet? you're a special kind of stupid
what's anti competitive? they offer you access to the competition, but they own the lines you are using and the competition didn't pay their tax to use it, its not they they are being anticompetitive its that the competition doesn't want to compete.
>just boycott ISPs you don't like!
because everyone can choose from more than one, right?
i pay for 100mbit down and i get fucking 20, the government can't be fucking worse then I already have.
I've got epilepsy and I make six figures now, but if I was 19 right now I would be completely fucked if the ACA was repealed. But keep pretending that people unlike yourself are just a made up conspiracy.
You seriously think that ISPs had no say in making the government unable to properly utilize their fiber infrastructure? gb2 Infowars