STAX SR-507 worthwhile upgrade from HD600? I want to see what the meme is all about
Jason Bennett
>meme that FR is all that matters in headphones Nobody said that.
John Lewis
I have been using an 02 Amp and ODAC for five years paired with HD600 and K701s. Is there much point in upgrading the amp and dac if I were to get HD800s? I am happy with their performance and am very sceptical of those who extol the benefits of tube amps, though I have not yet heard one.
Nathaniel Harris
If we are discussing sound quality only, are devoid of any nonlinear problems that the headphones might have and then simplify the matters a little, FR is everything there is to headphone sound. Everything you hear is a direct causation of it. Tonality, soundstage, "speed", "resolution" whatever.
HD 800 is a tiny bit less sensitive than those other two. Do you have headroom with the volume now?
>upgrade Is it? That's a subjective matter.
Daniel Rivera
What are the go-to-cans you get your mother who has no amp?
Lincoln Young
>Do you have headroom...?
Absolutely. It's the alleged sound difference I am curious (and sceptical) about.
Does anyone know of anywhere near Edinburgh or Glasgow I could try a good tube amp or is it too niche?
Dylan King
Depends on your budget, but the $59 HD 558 on Amazon maybe
Lucas Martin
>STAX SR-507
They're deprecated, replaced with the SR-L700 which is a significant improvement from the SR-507 (less bright, more bass, angled driver, less prone to positional issues). Sound-wise the L700 is like a baby SR-009.
Obviously this obliterates the HD600, you can actually hear sub-bass with the STAX.
Landon James
Shills out.
Carter Cook
what da hell is that shit of image??
The only good of this are the animu girls... spent so money in that headretarded stuff brain your wallet and your brain user
Luis Allen
Reposting ;-;
After much autism, I got to 4 options:
M50X, Status CB-1 (By lurking here) Sennheiser Urbanite XL, Sony MDR-100AAP (By friend's suggestion)
>Budget $100-160 >Location Mexico >Source Lap >Type of headphone Full, over ear >Open or closed Closed >Comfort level The comfier, the better. Using them for long periods (5 hore more hours), but willing to sacrifice for better sound >Sound signature Bassy or warm >Past headphones Cheap Sony ones
I would like it to leak the less possible I mostly listen to dreamy music, if that helps
Angel Rivera
Any decent amp that doesn't cost more than the earspeakers?
Christopher Bennett
Got HD558. A friend really likes it and wants to get one but we live in a small yuro country where the big etailers aren't sitting on boxes of unsold HD558s
How do the HD559 compare to the HD558? What is up with all those additional models in the 5x9 series anyway?
Michael King
>Studio headphones had high impedance because theyd get put into interfaces that output to multiple headphones at the same time as a whole team simultaneously listened to something. It also allowed them to be inserted into all sorts of inputs with no issue.
How does high impedance help with that? What'd you get if lower impedance headphones were used in those cases?
Logan Hill
Wait for Hot Sale at the end of the month. Chances are you can grab something better with that budget in Amazon Mexico or Mercadolibre.
Adam Lewis
It's inferior. No. Odd, I can hear sub-bass on HD600.
Cameron Ortiz
The 559 is worse
Henry Rogers
proof?
John Bailey
>Absolutely. It's the alleged sound difference I am curious (and sceptical) about. The headphone choice doesn't factor in here beyond sensitivity which is why I asked you about it. HD 800 is a load like any other and with O2 there's no reason why the amplifier would be a limiting factor somehow.
>How does high impedance help with that? Less power draw, less likely to clip the output. >What'd you get if lower impedance headphones were used in those cases? First a lack of volume when amplifier runs out of power, simultaneously distortion because of the clipping and then a broken amplifier.
Tyler Taylor
So I found some sennheiser 558's for about 80 bucks. Anyone ever owned one? Is sennheiser a meme or actually good stuff? Previous MDR-V6 owner here, they just stopped working on me
Mason Thomas
Yes, for that price they're good, if you can't get 598 for 100$ or so on black friday sales or some shit like that Paid around 80$ for my 558 too, their normal price at the time was more than 100$ (and around 160$ where I lived) Best pair of headphones I've owned, but I've only owned shit b4, extremely comfortable too They're open back though, so keep that in mind if you've never used any open back ones
Easton Robinson
Can anyone recommend some decent, yet cheap closed back headphones, mainly for gaming and music. My cousin wants a new pair and he's only ever owned gaming headsets I think, I'd rather like to avoid headsets and he's not making a big fuss about it either, so I thought maybe I could recommend him something he'd like >budget the lower the better, probably 50 euros, not a lot more >Location Eastern Europe, Lithuania. This means that the more mainstream the headphones are, the better, as I might not be able to find some more obscure brands >Source PC >Type of headphones Full sized >Open or closed Closed >Comfort the bigger the comfort the better >Sound signature I guess bassy, v-shaped or neutral at the least, none of the recessed >Past gayming headsets, non gayming headsets etc. you get the idea
I've also heard that Kingston HyperX Cloud were one of the few decent headsets, but I guess they're not made anymore(as there seems to be at least 5 other Cloud versions) so the price goes 80-90 for those, and they're not worth that
Logan Cooper
What are those
John Rivera
thanks user
Nathaniel Ross
At $80, no. Clouds occasionally come up for about $40 refurb or the Cloud Core is usually the cheapest and most barebones of the varients. You could also take a look at the superlux headphones like the 662/662 EVO/669/660 or the comfy rebrand of the 669, Samson SR950.
Comfiest of the ones listed are the SR950 and 662 EVO
Kevin Parker
cloud core is decent ? I just thought anything other than version 1 will be just generic gayming headset with shitty mic and shittier sound
Logan Bailey
All the clouds (excluding the Revolver and Stinger) are the same headset. The Core version is just the most basic and barebones of the rest as it doesn't come with velour pads to swap out or a USB splitter though I might be forgetting some other extras they come with.
John Collins
Bought a magni to combine with my fulla 2 as a dac, and it sounded exactly the same as the fulla 2 on it's own using my hd600's.
Bit disappointed but expected. I think I heard the bass being slightly tighter on a couple of rap songs but that's not worth the extra money and mess of power cables etc. The fucking volume knob was bent at an angle and didn't turn smoothly either, same as the audio jack. They told me that they'd 'never had this kind of complaint before' hmmmmm. No complaints with my fulla though to be fair.
Lincoln Myers
quit being a cuck and return it
Logan Thomas
hmm, only the stinger is 52 euros, while all the other versions available to me are 80+(even the core is more expensive than 1st gen clouds) SR950 are going for ~32 euros and the only ones available from what you mentioned Comparing to amazon prices, seems like a pretty good price here, have you personally used them ? Could you give some more info on them ?
Jaxon Lewis
>earspeakers (You)
Chase Baker
So I am looking for a way to get my headphones louder coming from my pc. So I need a soundcard or amp that is relatively cheap and has a headphone+mic input.
I'm not an audiophile so it just has to sound 'ok" and I will probably be fine with it.
Any suggestions?
Luis Sullivan
Yeah, I've actually been switching between the SR950's and 668B's. They both use the same drivers (SR950 Closed/668B Open). They have a 3 meter long attached cable with a 1/4" screw on adapter with a 3.5mm underneath. The velour pads are very comfy and are somewhat stiff and thick to helo with isolation and bass. Coming from Superlux HD 681's, the bass was a warm welcome change from the basslight 681's though can get bloated and muddy without EQ. Although the mids can be overshadowed by the bass at times, it's clean and clear though slightly recesed and the treble I've had no problems with and are a bit emphasized but not as much as my 668B's. The soundstage is pretty wide for a closed headphone and although it doesnt quite match my 668B's, it's pretty close. Isolation is pretty good though can be improved with leather earpads like HM5 leathers or Hybrids.
Kevin Sanders
>budget around $150 or less >location FL >source Phone / laptop >type on ear >open/closed does it matter with on ear? I guess closed >comfort medium to high level of comfort >sound sig >bassy >past headphones gaming headphones and 20 dollar earbuds
Angel Cook
KCS75/PortaPro, Custom Streets, Vmoda M80/XS
David King
Thank you, these seem like a very good option
Matthew Rodriguez
They're pretty good for their price. I got mine for $25 and am very satisfied with my purchase.
Caleb Roberts
What's the opinion on Sony MDRAS200 Headphones? I copped a pair, but wondering were they stand compared to other earbuds or headphones.
Jace Torres
custom streets look like exactly what I want, thanks man
Christopher Edwards
creative soundblaster e1 or the ugreen soundcard
Carson King
Magni will definitely get louder if you want that. I couldn't notice a sound difference either, but having another volume controlled 6.35mm output is worth it to me.
Lucas Adams
>earspeakers Need an "energizer" unit specifically made for them.
>decent amp that doesn't cost more than Try Schiit Fulla 2. Or Magni2 if you're hyper-confident there's no issue with your DAC.
James Morgan
>Odd, I can hear sub-bass on HD600. No that's just the harmonic distortion
Christian Johnson
>Audio-Technica R70X just got to listen to these next to HD600, 650, and DT880. i liked the R70X a lot. anyone own these and happy with them?
Nolan Gray
Will the HE400S run properly off a fiio x5 as a DAC? Also, what are some other good headphones in that price range?
Hudson Lopez
>as a DAC? No? That's why the amp is in there.
Mason Cruz
First time reading up on headphones and when I read stuff like how some headphones are better in the 20k hz range than others.
I guess I don't even understand sound at all?
Is everything we at a given time like 1 ms just a single frequency?
Sorry if I sound retarded but is there somewhere where I can read up on this with an explanation that's kept relatively simple?
Adrian Young
try reading the wikipedia page for Fourier transform
Kayden Richardson
Fx-audio dac-x3 $30 Or Fengru clover $25 Or XU09 $15 And for the mic any random usb soundcard for $2, just Never put headphones in them
Jonathan Cook
Other than reduced sound leakage is there any benefit to closed headphones over open, particularly for audiophile grade phones?
Asher White
Easier to achieve better bass extension without high distortion in dynamics.
Xavier Powell
anything is an upgrade from the hd 600 cuckphones
Eli Walker
If you can, go for it; only poorfags would say otherwise.
Josiah Jones
>Is everything we at a given time like 1 ms just a single frequency? no. a sound is a pressure wave, which can be thought of as a time-series of numbers representing the pressure at each instant in time
any wave can be described as a composition of different frequencies, and your *perception of the sound* in the wave is closely related to those frequencies. so people will very frequently mix discussions about waveforms and frequency, because they're mostly exchangeable. but they're not the same thing
now read the wiki page for the fourier transform
Nathan Peterson
Not sure what you are asking. It does sound like you are starting from the beginning.
If someone could just read through the Fourier article and understand it, they wouldn't ask questions here.
>Easier to achieve better bass extension without high distortion in dynamics. Being closed off reduces distortion by itself. Excursion is limited by air stiffness. Planar type headphones are usually closed off, enabling bass extension.
Cooper Roberts
Honestly if this is you level of understanding of sound, grab a high school physics book. You'll learn the basics of sound and waves first in an easily understandable manner. It will be a lot easier to add more information on top of a solid understanding of the basics. Fourier transform is more advanced stuff.
You need to understand frequency, amplitude, superposition principle and phase on a basic level.
Matthew Barnes
Is the M50x with a Bluetooth adapter the best Bluetooth headphones available in the price range? Pic related.
Henry Williams
the m50x isn't the best at anything
Jackson Anderson
Got a recommendation for Bluetooth cans in the $150 range then?
Noah Cox
find some second hand bose
Dominic James
sorry to trigger you user but [spoiler] high schools don't teach you physics unless you are a smart brain and don't blow up your ACT or SAT [spoiler]
James Perry
Build an ABX switch [or buy one] Borrow some "good" DAC and amp, and see if you can hear the difference.
Dominic Morales
Are there any similar alternatives for Takstar HI 2050s?
I bought these on Amazon about a year and a half ago and unfortunately they're starting to give out. I absolutely love them but I don't think they sell them anywhere in the UK anymore, only place I can find them is AliExpress.
I paid £44 for them at the time and they're probably the best headphones I've owned.
Liam Bailey
You know you can always get SS/tubes/adamantium wires blessed by monks and test them on ABX switch that will cost you around 20$ and hear yourself and use return policy to get rid of things if you heard no difference.
Owen Cook
SHP9500 will have a different sound signature, but they'll rival them in comfort. Similar value if you get them for $55. I've owned both, the SHP have a better sound once you EQ them. The Takstar were too v shaped for my taste.
668b is a decent alternative, but the highs are severely boosted and have awful stock pads. If you have a big head they clamp like a vice.
Noah Campbell
Friendly reminder that there is one crazy guy who is dead set on selling as many HD600's and HD650s as possible and so will try to shill them whenever he can. Do not listen. There are plenty of superior headphones in the price range.
Aiden Brown
honest question: what are some alternatives in that price range? i'm looking at ath-r70x
Carter Young
DT880
Parker Gray
Newfag here.
Guys im getting really confused trying to figure out how FR graphs work. Specifically with dbs, how do i compare from a graph that goes up to 90db to one that goes to 30?
Do you mind explaining
Austin Howard
Think they shouldn't be discussed in terms of better or worse.
Certain headphones excel at different things.
Dominic Hill
Yes, I was just being stupid. They're good headphones but I dislike posts that make them appear to be the end-all be-all and only option at any price
Charles Flores
>Budget I'd say about $150, loosely flexible. >Location United Statesland >Source PC >Type of headphone Full >Open or closed Closed >Comfort level Rather comfortable. What I have is quite nice, and I'd want to try and emulate that as much as possible. More on that below >Sound Signature Neutral >Past headphones Headset, actually: Logitech G230.
Yeah, I know, gaymer headset. The combination appeals, simply because it's all one set-up. This set in particular, the G230, has decent sound quality, a fairly not-shitty mic, and the appealing $35 price tag. I'm a sucker for the mesh covers for the foam, too, rather than the slick peel-off shit, which doesn't breathe too well during any prolonged sessions. Thing is, they always break in the same place: the right phone swivel encasement, straight down the middle length. This set lasted me a good two and a half years, but only because I managed to salvage a couple of pieces from two others. One was for a roommate of mine. Doesn't help that the volume control also shits itself after three months, resulting in a headache inducing balancing act with the damn wheel.
If it weren't built with such weak parts, I'd just blow another $35 on a set, but I'd want to get something that doesn't start to crack after six months of general use. I also want to consider something for more professional use, such as video editing. I'm no audio expert, so I can't say how well my current set performs. I feel a more balanced feedback would allow me to better balance noises; a more professional opinion would be appreciated.
Christopher Peterson
What's a bassier and cheaper alternative to the Etymotic HF5?
Logan Cruz
Probably the only competent beyer, t1 is not bad as well but you have HD800 instead, but it still has that treble spike altho not as bad as on other beyers. What is withe beyers and treble? I know they are supposed to be a monitoring headphone, so elevated treble but that's literally a spike up your ass every damn time.
Justin Hernandez
Find yourself a used srm1/mk2 or srm 323. Can try yahoo.jp auctions for those too, but you'd either need to rewire it (muh 100V japan input) or get a step up transformer.
Liam Nguyen
Forgot to mention, but some srm1/mk2s just have a voltage selector switch on the back so it wouldn't require opening up the amp. Not all of them are like that though.
Mason Young
DT770 isn't neutral, has boosted bass and treble, but it's very comfortable and a great value.
For neutral with slightly boosted bass, HM5, CB-1, or m40x's with new pads is your best bet.
Blake Thomas
How can I figure out what sound signature is right for me without shitting money?
Landon Sullivan
Get a neurtal and equalize it the way you want it.
Hunter Garcia
Just get something you're happy with and be happy with it. Unless the curiosity gnaws at you constantly, then you're going to have to shit money.
Liam Ramirez
what said, but it doesn't have to be neutral either, if you get a DT770 for example you can just eq it to be closer to neutral anyway.
Ian Rodriguez
I just want some decent sounding headphones that don't make my ears sweat after wearing them for long periods of time. any recommendations? wiling to spend up to $150 USD but i'd prefer cheaper
Ethan Gonzalez
i have 80 ohm dt770s and i don't use an amp am i missing out?
Christopher Brooks
How do you avoid headphone hair?
Serious question.
Austin Bailey
On ears or IEM's
Juan Mitchell
by keeping my hair really short
Tyler Hill
Sennheiser HD380 Pro.
Brayden Foster
I'm not an audiofag, should I just get some cheapo M6 pro's and be done with it?
also I'm in canada and they actually aren't cheap they cost $60 wtf
Luke Gutierrez
By not caring about what that even is.
Next question.
Justin Hernandez
unless you're having to max out your volume to hear anything i don't think that's a high enough impedance to have serious problems
Lucas Scott
Compare them to HD 600. The one that is closer to it is the better one.
Leo Rivera
>no bass
Christopher Jenkins
this + the foam mod
David Nguyen
Guess that depends on where you live. Over here you could just take classes on whatever you want. Or just go to the library and lend the books used.
Connor Roberts
Ignore the absolute dB value, look at the scale.
There's more to the plots than this. Different measurement couplers produce different results on the same pair of headphones. Range above 6 kHz is highly variable from coupler to coupler and from person to person. Coupler results don't translate well to human ears beyond this point. Leakage is poorly captured by the couplers too. Bass roll off can vary a lot in the measurements and it can be inaccurately portrayed. There are also different target responses used(variations of the diffuse field, ID, Harman or no compensation), different levels of smoothing (1/3th of an octave to 1/48th), some combine left and right channels into one, many combine multiple results into one average any so on. Headphones themselves show a level of variation too. If provided, understanding phase and impedance plots is useful. Measurements are a valuable resource but reading them properly can be tricky.
Brayden Jenkins
I'm trying to buy an external CD drive but they all seem to have excessive features. I want it purely for CD's. It will feed into my PC, then my DAC/AMP.
Does quality matter? Any recommendations?
Jose Robinson
What about the DT1990?
Matthew Hill
Pretty sure my hair is thinning where my headphones sit aye.