"sorry we don't accept cash"

>"sorry we don't accept cash"

Why is this allowed? I'm thinking of printing thousands of A4s with the text "BOTNET" on them and gluing them all over exterior of the store tonight.

Buy your gay porn somewhere else then

Businesses are free to accept whatever form of payment that suits them, you communist fuck. They are free to refuse you service if you don't have payment that suits their needs.

Cash cost money to handle and is expensive, both to the individual businesses as well as to society in general. If you want anonym payment systems, use a prepaid debit card or some form of decoupled payment system such as PayPal or whatever hipster mobile payment system kids these day use.

Exactly. Not to mention having large amounts of cash on hand may be problematic for some businesses. Its 2017 grandpa.

Don't forget it also attracts the wrong kind of people.

>Not to mention having large amounts of cash on hand may be problematic for some businesse
Indeed, robbery is a real problem.

>If you want anonym payment systems, use a prepaid debit card or some form of decoupled payment system such as PayPal or whatever hipster mobile payment system kids these day use.

Care to elaborate how do you buy one of these prepaid debit cards without using cash? So that it can't be linked to you? Same thing with paypal / whatever hipster mobile payment system kids these day use.

No cash = No anonymous way to pay for goods & services = Part of botnet

Buttcoins?

they didn't think that far, user.

they are erudite.

Do it faggot

How do you buy buttcoins without them being linked to you in the first place?

How do you buy something with buttcoins anonymously? The whole point of buttcoin is that the whole transaction log is stored in the blockchain, and is totally open and readable by anyone - everyone can see where the buttcoins came from and where they went. And if you change buttcoins to fiat currency (usd, eur etc), you won't get cash, but currency to your bank account - which is far from being anonymous.

the only way to exchange currency in this modern world anonymously is by exchanging physical goods (trading items directly, trading fiat currencies, handing over cryptocurrency wallet keys written on paper etc). Cash is by far the most convenient method - and there's a full fledged campaign to make its use more difficult.


I wonder why... :^)

>747 >"sorry we don't accept cash"
Do it

>refuse cash payments
>bill a convenience fee for paying online and by card.

Less costs, free profits.

Thankfully every business on my country needs to accept any legal tender.
Coins. Pennies. Cards. Cash.

There's a limit to that though. You can't go to a car dealership and buy a porche with sacks full of coins.

Bitcoin transaction records by a public key which in no way can be traced back to you unless you go HEY GUYS MY PUBLIC KEY IS "xxxxxxxxxxx"

How do you obtain cash without them being linked to you in the first place? Cash has serial numbers and watermarks in order to track them and their movement/circulation.

>banks get infected by ransomware
>all card payments fail
>mfw cardcucks can't buy anything
>mfw cardcucks are forced to trade me their $100000 cars for $10 just so they can buy food
>mfw going to become a billionaire when this happens

You're still using a currency that's not backed by gold or anything else of real value, so you're still going down the drain with everyone else.

In that situation bullets become the new currency.

Spoken like a true ancap.

Here, let me give you a tip.

>get shot
>have to pay fee for receiving bullet service
>also charged an 18% gratuity charge

t. NWO RFID shills

Oh fugg

>Call ambulance
>Get declined because I don't have a credit card they can charge

Is card only stores a thing in America? Over here half the stores are cash only because there avoiding tax or the owner is 80 years old and scared of computers

I don't use cash and I try to avoid places that don't accept cards.

Cash enables crime.

Get over it.

>call friend
>they get you the ambulance

Either you're just pretending to be retarded or a shill, which is it?

See >have money in bank account
>withdraw money from bank account
>serial numbers linked to you

>go to store
>pay with money
>receive change that has serial numbers
>store may or may not have recorded serial number of the changed
>potentially linked to you

>go to store
>pay sum with large bill
>store records transaction
>store records bills with large serial numbers when they put it in the dropsafe at the end of the day
>potentially linked to you

Keeping cash in circulation cost money and is inefficient. There is literally no point in keeping an archaic payment system alive when completely anonymous digital payment systems exist.

>having a "friend" that would do you a favour
>implying altruism exist in the ancap utopia

Say hello to NSA, FBI, CIA.

Currency enables crime via alienated labor

>Friend turns you into his local for profit police because you didn't pay your monthly protection fee.

>Businesses are free to accept whatever form of payment that suits them

Not universally true. There are laws covering most states that prohibit landlords from not accepting cash, or only allow them to prohibit cash / cheque if their supported method of payment has no additional cost to the payer (no %3 payment processing fee on top of agreed upon rent). There are other similar circumstances, but that's one that I'm concretely sure of.

Additionally, cash is legal tender and by law must be accepted as a form of payment for all debts (the business can refuse you service though).

The key here is "universally". The laws you recite are not valid in my country, for example, where refusing to accept cash service is perfectly legal. Statistics show that less than 2% of day to day transactions are done by cash, yet the vast amount of cash in circulation would mean that this number should be higher; the inherent conclusion here is that cash is primarily used for shady stuff, and this is exactly why politicians are currently pushing laws to outright stop cash altogether because it has no longer any real use outside crime and black markets.

>not buying it through a friend

>digitized currency shills out in full force

>Cash cost money to handle and is expensive

This.
I asked my dentist why he didn't accept cash and he told me that because it's expensive and a total bitch to handle.
Can't remember the numbers, but the expenses that came from handling money were surprisingly big, even when dealing with small sums.
So he said he wanted to avoid dealing with cash as much as possible.

Only people against physical cash are credit card companies. Those politicians are bought and paid for puppets.

this is my problem solver right here

Lobbying is illegal in my country, so no. Also, people tend to use debit cards rather than credit cards, because the same politicians made it illegal for banks to charge any transaction fees or annual fees on debit cards (while credit card companies are free to do whatever, because different laws).

>Care to elaborate how do you buy one of these prepaid debit cards without using cash?
When did we say you couldn't use cash to get a prepaid debit card? Are you retarded?

>the inherent conclusion here is that cash is primarily used for shady stuff
No, that would be a politically pleasing assumption. Assuming that if you don't know what something is used for, that it must be bad isn't a logical conclusion.

A "cashless" society is just code for a government power grab, and yet another step towards authoritarianism. You're only able to buy something if you're allowed to; you need permission from the body overseeing the payment system. If that privilege is ever revoked, you effectively become unable to survive. Awful.

In reality though, an alternative barter system or new effective currency would spring up almost immediately (think cigarettes in prison). People work around whatever restrictions are placed on them; that's human nature and will never change. It's genuinely foolish to think that you could stop people from obtaining contraband or generally exchanging value by removing government backed money.

>less than 2% of day to day transactions are done by cash
Nobody cares about Sweden. You've got bigger problems anyway.

Bank goes under, FDIC and NCUA forced to pay out up to $250,000 to each depositor.

Not sweden and if you think cash isn't heavily controlled by government you are beyond retarded. The government already define and control what you are allowed to buy and what you are not. Cash serial numbers and watermarks are recorded and scanned by banks to larger businesses anyway. Any cash withdrawal or cheque payment is linked directly to you. Every transaction you make is recorded, and potentially linked to you.

You're not anonymous user

>"sorry we not accept card payment"
what did mohammed mean by this?

...

If you pay by card, he can't anonymously transfer money to his cousin in Pakistan so he can fund his terrorist organ... I mean Quran study school

>has no argument
>"better call it bait so I don't lose face"

ew cash. enjoy your pennies. card is the future and you can use bitcoins for drugs and cp

Pretty sure thats illegal in the USA

>lobbying is illegal in my country

Ok retard, I'll bite

>The government already define and control what you are allowed to buy and what you are not.
If they had any meaningful control over how you spent money then contraband wouldn't exist. You can buy an uncountable number of illegal things anywhere in the world with cash.

>Cash serial numbers and watermarks are recorded and scanned by banks to larger businesses anyway.
Other than banks, there's nothing that ties that to a specific person. You don't need to provide identification for just about anything you purchase; legitimately or otherwise, not to mention that businesses in most of the western world (the only part that matters) DO NOT scan cash serial numbers. Also, the idea that looking at who withdrew a particular note last as a means to trace money seized from an illegal operation back to someone is flawed by the main fucking point of this that seems to be over your head: that cash can be exchanged anonymously any number of times by any number of people before it ends up afoul of the law.

>Any cash withdrawal or cheque payment is linked directly to you.
Cheque yes, because it's tied directly to your bank account. Cash no, as noted above.

>Every transaction you make is recorded, and potentially linked to you.
See above.

Enjoy your soon to be cucked country faggot.

>Why is this allowed?

Because you live in a free country with choice and the owner doesn't want to be bothered with having to handle cash flow from the stores to the bank or the danger of robbers trying to steal the cash on site.

it's illegal to refuse cash where I live.

Taking into account the post you quoted mentioned legal tender ; In my country this can't happen , it's by law ( unsure of specifics ) in my country that , for example , a giant sack of coins would be too cumbersome or ridiculous that it isn't considered legal tender in that state anymore.

It means they don't have one of the machines that can accept cards. This is particularly common in outdoor markets.

The federal government is legally required to accept cash. Private businesses are not. State laws may exist requiring it, however. In Massachusetts, all businesses are required to accept cash.

implying the dumb frogposter wasn't making a reference to online shops that accept buttcoin only
implying this thread isnt filled with trolls
implying most people will think like casey neistat who thinks cash is for drug dealers and strippers (sic!) and these kids arent parrots/teachers pets
implying "costs money" isn't money flow, which is exactly what money needs to do, otherwise it fails as currency
nobody said money system is easy to understand
implying this isnt fud to scare people

>next big thing: IoT cash

worst of both worlds

>If they had any meaningful control over how you spent money then contraband wouldn't exist. You can buy an uncountable number of illegal things anywhere in the world with cash
You can also do this with bitcoins and PayPal and prepaid cards, what's your point?

>not to mention that businesses in most of the western world (the only part that matters) DO NOT scan cash serial numbers
They do at the end of the day before depositing it into their safe (which is then later collected by loomis or whatever company they use to transport money to the bank)

For larger purchases, they are actually required to record the notes to the specific transactions due to white washing laws.

>implying "costs money" isn't money flow,
Implying it is. It literally cost more money to replace old bills with new bills than the worth of those bills. The same is true for coins, where the cost of manufacturing a coin is vastly greater than the value of the coin itself.

This isn't money flow, this is simply a money drain. Money flow creates revenue, paying money to replace money does not create any revenue

then just keep the old bills, sheldon.

>You can also do this with bitcoins and PayPal and prepaid cards, what's your point?
That, contrary to your statement, the government does not (meaningfully) control what you can buy with cash.

>They do at the end of the day before depositing it into their safe
Not anywhere that I know of. That's a lot of extra work (read: cost to business) for no reason (no obligation). Still not relevant though. Also, stores have to provide change for larger notes, which means that money passes from person -> store -> person without ever being recorded in your scenario.

>For larger purchases, they are actually required to record the notes to the specific transactions due to white washing laws.
I've never heard of that, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did (to protect themselves if it ended up being counterfeit).

Both are wholly irrelevant though, because of
>cash can be exchanged anonymously any number of times by any number of people before it ends up afoul of the law

Old bills become worthless when the government decides they want to replace a specific series and deprecate the old series within X number of years. Which they do periodically.

Anyway, I was talking from the perspective of society and government, not from the individual. Part of your tax money, as in "the money the government steals from you", goes down the metaphorical drain

Fuck me, now that is some quality autism.

Money does never leave. It only wanders around. Your so called "costs" are money being transferred somewhere else.

Now stop posting and think for yourself. Go outside. Buy ice cream with cash and fuck off.

But you can with a briefcase full of $100 bills.

>It literally cost more money to replace old bills with new bills than the worth of those bills. The same is true for coins, where the cost of manufacturing a coin is vastly greater than the value of the coin itself.

Nonsense. If it were true, there wouldn't be physical money in the first place. Only the smallest change like 1 or 2 cent coins may cost more. Bills and coins are mass-produced. You won't tell me that printing 10000 hundred dollar bills costs a million dollars or more in itself.

>Not anywhere that I know of
They either do this, or if it is a tiny business, the manager himself runs over to the bank and drops it in the night safe. Anyway, the bill notes are recorded and linked to the store, and the store is required to keep track of transactions because revision.

Some larger stores actually record every bill to protect themselves against counterfeit money.

> he uses cash

>printing is the only cost
There's also transportation and cost of storing etc

It's not that simple. It's a natural balance for the stock market where mones makes money amongst a load of other things. I'll just stop replying to shit that was debunked a million times before already

Cash is real money, it has always been. Just because there's computers since a few decades doesn't change that. Everyone in this thread shilling against cash is a fucking shill cuck nigger fag.

Beyond that some large business somewhere may record the serial numbers of all notes that handle in a given period (day, or week, whatever the cycle to the bank is), what's your point?

>sorry we only take cash
>we have an ATM with a $5 fee though
>the nearest real ATM is 10 blocks away

much more common, in my experience.

>he enjoyed having his every transaction tracked to his name
Combined with GPS and other smarthphone data collection, your entire life is mapped.

So what? What you said doesn't make sense. If creating and handlig cash would cost more then the cash is worth, then the state issuing the cash and everyone else would get in debt more and more by just printing/handling the cash. It doesn't make any fucking sense. It's like saying that eating something and digesting it will cost your body more energy that you get from the digested food. You can't into logic, now can you.

>Cash is real money
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Everyone should have at least $100 (or equivalent in purchase power, depending on location) in cash with them, problem solved. You don't need to spend it, but you have to have it on you.

DO IT
And report back to us with pics ;)

What the fuck. Everyone prefer cash because its easy not to pay tax on it.

Tell it to all the people who had lived for centuries and millenia. Go back in time to any period and tell the people there that some zeroes and ones that don't even physically exist and have no actual backing in anything are "money", and the reply you'll receive will be "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA".

>Businesses are free to accept whatever form of payment that suits them
No, they are not.

They can refuse you service up-front if you say you will be paying with cash. But if goods or a service is already provided then businesses are legally required to accept cash as a payment. This is interestingly not very common knowledge but the simple fact is that all countries that use fiat currency have some kind of law which says that if settlement for a debt is offered in cash fiat then the debt it settled. And courts will honor this.

What this means is that if you for example eat at a restaurant and offer to pay for it in cash after you've eaten and they refuse to accept your cash settlement for the money you now owe them and tell you to pay with a credit card then... you just have to videotape them declining your cash payment and you've legally paid your debt.

Look it up, I don't know any country that doesn't have a law like this.

My paper money has "legal tender for all debts public and private" printed on it. If you won't take it as payment, thanks for the gift.

They'd respond the same if you told them a piece of paper was money

Not true. Saying he is talking about the US. If you want to pay with pennies they have to take it. Its US currency after all.

LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE

Earn and pay in cash, fuck income tax

I mean, some businesses don't accept cash because it's pretty easy to rob a store that has a safe/cash register full of cash. How to are you going to run into a store with a gun and go "give me all your companies money" when it's literally all digital and requires you to have physical access to the companies bank account and correct authorization to transfer money out? A lot of businesses are going digital because it's easier, cashiers literally don't have to handle any money by hand. Also there's less cost for transportation. If you have a bunch of money in a safe you're going to want to put it into the bank at some point. You'd have to get someone to take it which just costs more money. Also lots of money based scams like shortchanging can't be done with electronic payment methods, it's impossible for you to overpay/underpay as well, there's pretty much no room for human error like there is when counting bills.

how does it end up being traced back to the person who gave it to the store then, retard? do they take a mugshot of every person who gives them a $50 bill? even if they are actually recording serial numbers there's not necessarily going to be a way to prove who gave them the money.

>robber comes in
>"we don't have cash"
>gets shot

So much this. I have 5 friends who got robbed by some nigger. 4 of them handed over their stuff and the robber just ran away but the 5th one got stabbed because he didn't have anything to give.

>brick and mortar store doesn't accept cash
What sort of shithole do you live in?