So I just learned that in the USA there's a thing called "felony murder". For example:
>Be you, Tyrone, DeShawn and Bubba >Go to the nearest 24/7 store ran by Pajeet Fukshit >Steal 20$, some cigs and beer from him >He calls the cops >Cop car plows through 11 kids on his way to the store >You, Tyrone, DeShawn and Bubba are now guilty for 11 counts of murder as well for stealing 20$, some beer and a pack of cigs
Another example:
>Be you >In a standoff >You surrender but your buddy continues the standoff >The cops magdump him to the ground >You're now guilty for his death
I just found it kind of funny how cops can absolve themselves from responsibility by charging the perps for shit they didn't actually do
Caleb Collins
gotta fill them prisons goy
Dylan Cook
another example:
>decide to rob house with mate >owner shoots and kills your mate within the legal castle doctrine >you are charged with murder
Isaiah King
what if someone gets the inspiration to organise illegal street races from need for speed or fast&furious? Are the companies who produced those two responsible?
Charles Perry
How can general public even allow it?
Jace Jackson
Felony murder applies for if you assault a woman who is pregnant and you kill the child. In that case, you didn't intend to kill the child but, but you will be charged with murder because of it. It's about actions, not intentions.
Oliver Flores
>ameridumbs
you can't make that shit up
Brandon Wood
Another example is if you were robbing a store like you said, and your partner shoots and kills the cashier. You will be charged with felony murder as you were an accomplice to said crime, even if you had no intention of killing the cashier.
Brandon Wilson
>Be Jimbo >nick a microwaveable burger from a store >Meteor falls out of the sky and destroys the store killing everyone inside >It's your fault
Hunter Reyes
Sounds like the sort of punishment thought up out of rash anger.
That being said, 'rash anger' seems to sum up the American justice system quite well nowadays.
Isaiah Adams
kek, if the law actually works like this i have no words.
Samuel Cruz
Commonwealth countries also have the rule of felony murder, except it's called "joint enterprise"
Nicholas Cox
In the rest of the world this is two completely different things. An cop running over a 11 kids on his way to shoot your ass shouldn't make you an accomplish of that incident.
Leo Long
>A cop running over 11 kids wouldn't make you an accomplice You compleatly misinterpreted the law even after I explained it. For that, I have no words.
Tyler Richardson
And?
Elijah Gutierrez
>Jurisdictions that use the proximate cause theory include any death, even if caused by a bystander or the police[12]
So yes you are guilty of killing the 11 kids.
Ian Sullivan
Shhhh, let Euros laugh about things they don't understand. It gives them meaning in their meaningless lives.
Jordan Watson
Unitedstatian law system exist to put it's citizen into prison no matter what.
Ryan Davis
Very few jurisdictions use proximate death, and there has never been a case where it was interpreted that way.
Wyatt Baker
>AmeristupidworthlessdumbsthatIhate Kek fuck them all their so gay I wish they all died. Everytime I see one my blood boils
Michael Scott
Here, you wouldn't be charged with murder in that situation because, well, you didn't murder anybody, neither directly nor through negligence.
It's a retarded law tbqh.
Aaron Howard
I don't have any opinion on it, I'm just explaing what it actually means.
Ian Adams
>even if caused by a bystander
So if a bystander tries to block your escape with his giant SUV but ends up clipping a kid who then dies, you're the murderer?
Wyatt Turner
>t. flyover
Evan Gray
And I'm just pointing out I find that law retarded because of personal responsibility 'n' shiet. No implications implied.
Landon Jones
If the bystander had no intention of hurting the kid then potentially as it was an accident that presumably wouldn't have happened had you not committed a crime.
Oliver Green
A bystander tries to shoot at you but ends up killing two cops, you're guilty?
Lincoln Allen
With that logic you can end up working your way through 40 people who all can be connected by a tiny incident or thing to a crime and and then they all end up in prison.
great law.
Dominic Adams
I seriously hope this is bait
Thomas Adams
Again, if it was not the bystanders intention and you were already in the act of commiting a felony, then yes, you could be charged as if you didn't threaten the bystander, they wouldn't have had the need to shot at you and those cops deaths could have been avoided.
Mason Campbell
Why does everyone on Sup Forums know so much about the United States?
Noah Ortiz
When reading through this thread, this law starts too look like something that would fit in an old western style town to keep law and order.
Is that so?
Julian Rogers
I am running from cops, kick a sharp pebble on the street, truck drives over it, its tyre explodes which causes it to swerve and cause a massive pile up with 28 deaths. I am responsible?
Easton Cooper
No you can't, it's only extendable to those immediately in the vicinity. Who were in the process of commiting a crime
Every common law country has a similar stature, it's not only in the U.S.
Easton Martinez
No because that's too improbable to ever happen. Essentially, the idea is that it deters you from ever commiting a crime because it puts you in a position of vulnerability because of all manner of things that could happen. So you can't "game the system" by figuring that you can be absolved from all responsibility for your accomplices actions. So instead of getting 2 months for robbery, you're going to get 20 years for being an accomplice to a murder.
Joshua Reyes
So the entire anglosphere has this nonsense? It's even worse than I expected.
Connor Campbell
Not exactly as written, but similar concepts. Usually not for murder but for similar crimes as well.
James Reed
Dunno, I still find it retarded that if you surrender in a stand off and your friend doesn't and gets magdumbed you're the killer.
Carter Campbell
because you're hilarious and you make us feel better about our countries
Isaiah Murphy
That's part of the problem with corporations and why they had to fight to become a thing in America There's a diffusion of responsibility and ownership vs. a typical business owner
Ethan Sanchez
>On the early morning of March 10, 2003, after a night of partying, Holle lent his car to a friend and housemate,[2] William Allen, Jr.[5] Allen used the car to drop three men off at the house of Christine Snyder, where they removed a safe containing 1 pound (500 g) of marijuana and US$425.[5] During the burglary, one of the men, Charles Miller, Jr., used a shotgun he had found in the house to bludgeon Jessica Snyder to death.[2][5] Holle was 1 1⁄2 miles (2 km) away.[2]
the guy who lent the car almost got death sentence
Kayden Foster
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Ayden Ward
Youre at very least an accomplice to murder Or do you guys not have laws in which if you see a crime and don't report it you become an accomplice?
Jeremiah Brooks
>A first world, modern country >these laws pick one
Dominic Morales
The guy who lent the car was charged because he knew why they were going to use the car though. That's the whole point. Had he not given them the car, they wouldn't have had the opertunity.
Joseph Perez
You NEVER lend your car That's already a pretty big crime unless it's family or youre also in the car Not to mention it's retarded because you're responsible for what happens with that car since you own it
Liam Jones
>Or do you guys not have laws in which if you see a crime and don't report it you become an accomplice?
no, you can be tried for negligence but not for the original crime, that's retarded
>hurr i'm having a panic attack help me oh dear g-d the Tyrones are robbing the bank I am in help me dear d-g can't even speak i can't breath well oh dear jaysus
Later:
>Okay mister you're now responsible for this bank heist because we have no registered 911 call from you. Enjoy your 30 years in jail.
Dylan Fisher
You can be charged with a felony in Germany for attending a fascist ralley even out of curiosity.
Every country has retarded laws
Levi Campbell
lol just steal a car nigguh
Noah Baker
hahaha freedom laws
Justin Carter
Not how it works
Noah Adams
That's not what an accomplice means A better example is
>Youre outside the bank >You see the Tyrones robbing the bank >You shrug and go on your merry way
Grayson Carter
>attending a fascist ralley >out of curiosity and i thought my life was boring.
Charles Peterson
There's nothing wrong with this.
Xavier Hughes
That's pretty petty considering that I could google plenty of thing wrong with Italy right now and laugh at them. But I don't because I don't get satisfaction from that.
Ryder Howard
You for fucking real right now?
Ryan Hill
We have "concorso in omicidio" here which is probably closest to what you mean. You'd still have to be actively partaking in some form (i.e., you get that if you're driving a car and your friend Tyrone shoot somebody drive-by style).
Being tried for someone else's crimes is retarded.
Isaac Collins
No Not reporting a crime is a crime in itself
Elijah Adams
this. Fuck the poors and the niggers.
Luke Jenkins
Only in some states, but yes, it's called the Good Samaritan law.
Another example is if you saw a drug addict convulsing on the ground and you just left him there to die. You could be charged with not helping him or getting r help for him.
Jacob Phillips
>You can be charged with a felony in Germany for attending a fascist ralley even out of curiosity. Maybe because fascism is illegal in Germany and participating in those marches (even out of curiosity) makes them bigger and propagates fascism? I mean, every country has some retarded laws from the past that haven't been changed For example, Poland still has some retarded commielaws regarding bureaucracy that nobody bothered to change and are now stinging us in the ass
Anthony Adams
Accomplice is probably a bit strong for the situation I just described (the person walking by the bank) But if you and Tyrone are robbing a store and Tyrone shoots someone you're an accomplice You can normally get off the charge if you immediately turn yourself in
Alexander Cook
that's kind of stupid given that many events create bystander effect, are those bystanders who can number in hundreds now all accomplices to the crime?
Ryan Morgan
using common sense seems like a crime in america
Justin Reyes
We have the same here. He somebody got hit, by a car and there nobody but you to help and you don't give a shit you can be charge with "Non-assistance à personne en danger", though it's indeed no as bad as running over.
not helping an individual in need or not reporting a crime is also a crime here but you can't be held responsible for the original crime, it's negligence
Sebastian Morris
We have law like that too, if you see someone robbing bank or house on fire you have to call the authorities. Its called obligation of citizen or something like that
Landon Foster
In here it's called "non assistance to person in danger".
To me that's common sense
Owen Ward
If I and Tyrone went in there with the intention of killing somebody, then yes, I'm an accomplice. If I and my friend Tyrone go to rob a store and he randomly shoots somebody because he's a fucking retard then I'll be tried for armed robbery, and he'll be tried for armed robbery and murder. That's what each one of us did, after all.
Jeremiah Sanchez
All it takes is one person The law is meant to punish the bystander effect and get at least one person calling the authorities
Also I think the effects of the law are a bit different in a group anyway Obviously not everyone needs to call the police
Example I always call the police when I see car crash (it's not because of that law either it's because I'm not a fucking douchebag)
I believe the law falls under a form of negligence
Jack Brown
You'll be charged with an accomplice to murder yeah You helped create the situation and you're not a victim
Ethan Roberts
You can only be charged for the crime if you participated in commiting another crime iirc, because that would make you an accomplice. If you're a simple bystander, I highly doubt you'd be charged with the crime itself unless it was a very specific case where you knew the crime was going to occurs but chose not to help stop it before it did.
Logan Wright
what the fuck? so if: >my good childhood friend john asks to borrow my car for the weekend since his is in the shop >unfortunately I have no idea that john is actually a sociopathic serial killer >over the weekend john runs over a couple jogging on a country road with my car, throws them in the trunk, then rapes them to death at his home >He gets caught >I get convicted as an "accomplice" despite the fact I had no mens rea
Blake Ward
sounds like common sense to me
Aaron Hall
WELL FUCK YOU BUDDY :DD THATS THE LAW
Elijah Flores
>>unfortunately I have no idea that john is actually a sociopathic serial killer Then you can't be charged with a crime. You'll be questioned but you aren't guilty of anything.
If John told you "I'm going to kill a bunch of people tonight" and you still have it to him, then you can be charged.
Adrian Bennett
>Implying these aren't great ideas to keep black criminal savages away from regular society
Please name to me one country where the crime index does not go: Black > Brown > White > Asian
Is there a single country, or city in the entire world that breaks this format? I have yet to find one. Countries I have checked: Canada Brazil USA UK France Sweden Germany Venezuela Argentina Chile Spain
Not to mention South Africa is now 1000x worse that apartheid is gone.
Adam Anderson
but i do
Connor Gomez
Sounds like a sad existance desu
Carter Thomas
I joke about killing people all the time.
Landon Thompson
That's retarded tbqh. I took part in and armed robbery and for that, and that only, I should be tried. Especially because there's nothing I could possibly do to stop him from shooting out of the blue. If I just stay and do nothing there while he's slowly cutting people into little pieces, then I'm an accomplice.
Luke White
Keyword "joke"
John in this case was completely serious when he said this.
Hudson Butler
>If John told you "I'm going to kill a bunch of people tonight" and you still have it to him, then you can be charged.
this creates the problem if you have no reason to believe him that he's telling the truth, you just laugh at it like it's just one of his retarded jokes but because he actually this time spoke the truth you're responsible for the rape murder
Easton Hall
>dem excuses
Parker Ramirez
Then it becomes a grey area of uncertain cause and any charges against you would need substantial evidence in court to support the claim you knew what he meant at the time.
Nicholas Walker
That's when the lawyer enters
Liam Hughes
finding weird shit funny is a sad existence? so spoke the voice of autism
David Rodriguez
Excuse? I explained what happened. He knew that they were going to kill someone but still lent them the car.
Joshua Lewis
>Be American >lend a car to your long time friend >he says "I'm gonna SLAY some people tonight" >think he meant slaying some pussy >he commits a rape murder >you're now an accomplice >have to get an elder god tier lawyer to not land in jail for 5000 years >you're now bankrupt
Samuel Torres
Lol I laughed desu
Parker Bell
...
Jackson Jones
The jury could still convict you regardless of the lawyer if they're retarded enough though.
Isaiah Jackson
>be in vegas >see cops looking like they're about to arresting two guys >friend mimicks GTA and yells "he's got a gun, he's got a gun!" >panic erupts and coppers slam them into the ground >friend gets yelled at and almost gets arrested himself
David Bell
We do not have this thing called, "Criminal Rights". Do the crime, do the time. Or just die, whatever.
Jordan Torres
price of freedom
Gavin Campbell
Yeah they have to fill the for profit prisons somehow