Have over a decade of self-taught computer experience that would make fresh college grads look like shit

>have over a decade of self-taught computer experience that would make fresh college grads look like shit
>used to fuck around with and dissect malicious code when I was 15
>no employer will hire you because you have no previous techy work title in the computer field
>have to take a 4 year degree and spend 60k+ that you don't have rehashing all the shit you already know for any employer to take you seriously
what the fuck am i supposed to do Sup Forums

go full frank abegnale until the someone realizes my worth?

being self taught is good for starting your own business. No one will take you seriously if you write "self taught" anywhere on your resume

kill yourself

>what the fuck am i supposed to do Sup Forums

Get a degree, any degree or you're fucked.

Thanks. What's the best way to put that I have experience with IT Cyber Security? Would it be bad to put that I used to study viruses and worms and now have a good knowledge of exploits, patching and prevention from it?

Words mean nothing, anyone can say a decade or so of "self-taught" computer "experience"
You have to show them that you actually can do something with what you know, like actually having projects you can show off

1. Get an unrelated job.
2. Put exploit on networks.
3. Be the guy who found, and can patch out said exploits.
4. Promoted/transferred to it department.
5. Lose job to outsourcing.
6. Add it experience in resume.

Most people put complete bullshit on their CV or resume, and so most employerer will generally just ignore anything other than real-world work experience or formal education.

get certified. Literally just take a fucking certificate test for cisco n other shits, that's all u need to do.


fucking cheap as shit too, like 100 - 60 dollars.


how are you this fucking retarded. That's why u won't get hired.


Cause you're not even smart enough to go and get certified.


Moron.

>lots of self-taught computer experience
>not portfolio worth speaking of

Most likely you've just been messing around and doing nothing useful.

This if you don't have projects or work experience you're retarded. I was managing multiple small businesses websites and security while i was in the military. Just start small, you really aren't looking to profit at the beginning, operate at a small loss to get your foot in the door. Go above and beyond to help and offer extra services.

So I should bring proofs of my multi-boot computer and personal server I personally run to my interview? How the fuck do I promote that. I got a linux-windows dual boot on an ancient ipod and thats about it, aside from a USB I can stick with a ton of proof that I can write code and a folder full of tools I use to mod, secure and maintain Windows.

You won't even get a phone interview without formal education or work experience.

Ok so if I have around a year of credits specific to computers though but no degree would I even have a chance?

What "experience" do you actually have?

If you can program, why are you asking what you need to do? Contribute to or start a project, or projects, work on them for some time. You need an "artefact", several really, to show to potential employers.

If you can't program, but you have a lot of experience in static analysis, or RE, or something; you can still produce content. Start a blog, contribute to a whitepaper. It literally doesn't matter what you do, just do something that produces meaningful content.

If you're shit at everything else, then teach. You could make a fucking YouTube tutorial series for computer security and a companion blog, or fucking software walkthroughs or something; provided it mimics a professional style consultation, that's points on your resume.

If you really, genuinely believe that people should be able to see the genius you perceive yourself to be in your own mind just by looking at you, then take a shitty job on a helpdesk or something that doesn't require a degree, and use that as a stepping stone to pad your linkedin profile or something. Take the first shitty job some headhunter working for a shitty SAP contractor throws at you, and keep changing job every few years by leveraging title.

Step 1: Put all that stuff and the documentation for how you've done it into github
Step 2: Link your github into your resume

If you haven't documented the things you've done, then you're shit out of luck.

>Implying dual booting loonix and wingdings is a skill
>implying running a simple server is a skill
If your server does actually have anything noteworthy on it like self written software then just open to outside traffic and give the IP of it for them to look at it

If you want them to know you can code then you should have a github profile you can link with all the projects you've worked on, then they might ask you to write pseudo code on a whiteboard or some shit

>University dropout

That goes in the trash too. Your only other realistic option here is to work for some shitty startup for minimum wage for 6 months and have the owner give you a good reference.

(≥∀≤)/

Thinking about it

You're asking questions about demonstrating things you don't understand the relevancy of, because you don't understand their relevancy.

To who exactly is a dual booted ipod relevant to? Are there employers who produce dual booted ipods?

Just sit down and have a little think about what your skills mean to other people, rather than what your skills mean to you. That is the resource you are selling to an employer. You have to consider the resource's relevancy to a potential employer.

If it helps, go look at job ads now and try to morph the experience you do have to fit their job descriptions in your head. The employer isn't interested in what you're interested in, or how good you are, or how smart you are; they're interested in selling someone's skills to their customers and they know what skills their customers want. You have to provide those skills.

Do not under any circumstances bring an artefact to an interviewer unless you intend to sell it to your interviewer as a product, you fucking sperg. You'll bring whatever skills they asked for on the job posting and sell those to them, that's it.

lmao all of us have "computer experience" that make fresh college grads look like shit.

its about computer SKILLS, yeah if I play fucking WoW for 10 years that constitutes as "computer experience" ie "time spent with computer".

>used to fuck around with and dissect malicious code when I was 15

why do people bullshit on an user polynesian tire resurfacing board, makes no sense. yes cus reading compiled code makes sense. shut up

For IT, and programming in particular, your degree or lack thereof is a lot less important. If you can prove your skills, you get hired.

>your degree or lack thereof is a lot less important

You can get to the interview stage without a degree, but only if you have a substantial amount of work experience to replace it.

Go freelance!
If you get job, drop it immediatelly, now you have expirience, which is much more important than pointless degree.

what do you mean please elaborate

>What "experience" do you actually have?
Ok-

I've worked with Ruby, Java, C, Python, and SQL and still have segments of code I wrote in most of them on my pc. Also a small handful of system administration classes and in some of the languages I listed above. I enjoy taking apart malicious shit specific to windows and studying it to get to how to prevent and patch it as well with OS and applications. And I used to (sorry Sup Forums) hack online games for fun when I was younger and hex edit programs all the time. Strictly with employment experience I've only worked with databases for inventory and maintaining Windows OS for retail floors and stupid shit like that. Training and telling other employees to not do things that are really common sense and walking them through how to patch and fix their computers. Recommending a browser that isn't IE and setting it up to increase privacy and reduce spyshit. Conversing with my boss about a way to up security on the PCs and how to fix browser issues that hang up the employees. Also physically fixing work pcs.

At home aside from the stupid facebook meme article-tier ipod multi-boot shit i mentioned above I also autistically created databases for my music and movie shit so it's easy for me to catalogue all the worthless information I enjoy about them.

>go to yurop on "vacation"
>go to office for residency permit
>tell them you have coding skills or whatever
>get work permit instead
>get job
>now yuropean

Publish all of your code on GitHub under GPLv3 license, so no one can use it.

in my experience you need to either get a close personal friend who already works there to vouch for you, or you need to start as an entry level pleb at a tech company (customer service, data entry, IT helpdesk, QA testing, etc) and then work your way up

>Living in Europe
>ever

>what is a portfolio

You don't -need- "work" experience, you need to be able to prove your skills before it gets to the interview stage.

I can get interviews right now for tech jobs that pay almost double the median income in my country, in a non tech-rich area of my country, just by linking my GitHub and blog on my resume. I do not have a degree and I would not need to list my experience working for anyone but myself on my resume. My blog has 0 fucking readership because its sole purpose is to look like its written by a professional who has the skills X or Y employer needs at a glance - ie. its sole purpose to get me hired. I can talk around that on a covering letter without issue.

You can get interviews, and thus a job, without ever having set foot in a university or a tech company before. You can get them sitting at your fucking desk smoking weed for 10 years straight. I've worked with people who've done exactly that. You won't get every interview, and you'll have to take a few kicks in your nads at interview if you're not as smart as you think you are; but you only need to get one job.

Better then the must pay to get paid scheme of burgerland

You need to decide what sort of job it is you want, as the experience you've listed is all over the place. You sound like you've already worked doing IT Helpdesk stuff. Where do you work now? Do you want another helpdesk job? Do you know what you can leverage helpdesk into?

If you have helpdesk experience, could pretend that you have security experience and also liked, or pretended to like, reading whitepapers for security packages, I could get you a job working for a SAP contractor next week if I knew you. I don't know you, but that's how easy it is.

Did you come to Sup Forums before you actually tried looking at job ads and shaping up your resume? Did you come to Sup Forums before you even tried to apply for jobs? Be honest.

>>used to fuck around with and dissect malicious code when I was 15

Put it on your resume and send it in. Make sure you use all the technical jargon to describe it.

>Would it be bad to put that I used to study viruses and worms and now have a good knowledge of exploits, patching and prevention from it?

Not at all if you are applying to a job where it is relevant.

You -have- read all these articles about most applicants to programming jobs having NO programming ability, haven't you?

Write down your skills on your CV. Not literally "self-taught" you idiot

I've applied for multiple and modify my resume accordingly per each job; I made it to second interviews and second exams with a few but I ultimately get rejected every time. If it's strictly code writing then I never get considered, likely because like mentioned by Sup Forums, I haven't put a portfolio or GitHub brag sheet up for them to snoop through, and that makes sense. Usually they want someone strictly with a 4 year degree on their website in CIS or GIS then I'm s.o.l.
Yeah I've heard the whiteboard horror stories. I'm not a wizard at programming but I know enough to get the end goal done and I'm not gonna lie about knowing Perl and C++ when I haven't even touched the shit.

You still haven't told us what you're applying for. What job do you actually want?

If you're not getting a job after they give you a second interview I can tell you right now that you wouldn't have got it if you'd been the same candidate with a BSc in CIS either.

IT help desk
computer lab manager
software programmer
database entry
systems integration specialist
IT security/analyst
anything remotely having to do with computer administration

Am I just spreading myself too thin?

An autodidact would never grovel to an employer. That's something no-talent millennial who treats college like an adult daycare is taught to do.

Noted and understood, however I mostly was memeing with my initial tone.

Just go for certs at this point, plenty of jobs want A+ and security+ in lieu of a degree...

If you are already so good why not write cool software and start your own company? Let the market decide if employers we're right or not.

If skilled people could just get those jobs, everyone's expensive diplomas would look worthless.

>thinking any of those skills is useful

You are so good at programming but you don't have any contributions to open source projects that would serve as proof of your know how?

Just hack them, that's how all of the cool unqualified l33t hax0rs get their jobs.

Software engineering is not only knowing how to write code, so I doubt you would make fresh college grads look like shit. Get a degree. Any degree will help you find a better job, people will take you more seriously