Is it time to ban encrypted messaging apps?

Is it time to ban encrypted messaging apps?

What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade encryption on your instant messages?

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Encryption is a scapegoat. The actual problem is a dangerous violent ideology.

Don't want nobody snooping in my shit. Including the gov. Even if I don't have anything to hide, I have nothing to share.

>military-grade
Well, you're an industry-grade tool.

privacy and freedom

I don't have to justify why I need something. You lack the right to tell me I can't have it.

When you ban encrypted messaging apps, only criminals will have them. I don't see how this helps.

Maybe I want to send some sensitive personal info or nudes to someone and not have it posted here by hackers later. Sure you can put a government only backdoor, but we all know how good the NSA and CIA are at keeping that sort of thing from being leaked.

Why? Where there's a will there's a way. "Banning" apps like this won't do anything.

On a side note:
PGP is the only way to go.

>dat pic
lmao

>Telegram is literally THE choice of ISIS
>Sup Forums still hates it for some reason despite it having the merits for being the communications application of terrorists

Banning encryption will not work.
They'll just switch to natural keywords in casual discussion.
Not like your shitty TV shows where they use totally epic names like red rooster red rooster or some other faggotry. The eagle has not landed either.
I mean 2 random suicidey cunts talking about their favourite episode of Stargate and saying they loved that time when the Borg abducted Janeway, then Jack and Teal'c had to travel across the yellow brick road to see a wizard for a favour.
Or worse yet, talk about those weird fucking Turkish TV shows.

Spy agencies have people listening in to targets of interest, but trying to find 2 bombers talking gibberish like this in a haystack the size of countries and say with confidence that, "yeah, this dudes about to blow shit up", hell naw, sorry, not fucking happening.
Not even machine-learning hyper ultra mega zordon supercomputer qubit wotsits will fucking help you there.
Natural language that makes use of references NEVER discussed digitally can NEVER be beaten, no matter how many resources you have. It's just not happening.

Banning encryption DOES NOTHING to stop these fucks. All it does is make their jobs easier to find some drug dealers or other low-tier crime to boost their catch numbers.
Encryption by default is dropping their numbers.

The botnet is massively incompetent, couldn't trace all the idiots out there even if they weren't using encryption. What stops a fucking idiot from taking his AR15 going inside walmart and shooting every single person he sees? Not a god damn thing.

But guess what, that shit don't happen, and if it were to happen you or the botnet would never know about it until it actually happen. So given that set of facts how can you prevent shitskins from going into concerts with bombs strapped to them? You can't.

Most logical thing would be metal detectors everywhere and not allow people in who refuse but you can't do that either. Considering that most terrorists are second generation faggots who are so sexually repressed the only way they find to feel powerful is to literally blow themselves up or join isis... Maybe if you legalize prostitution and removed the stigma from the use of whores as cum dumpsters for money, maybe you wouldn't have pajeet shitskins blow themselves up.

Encryption is so NEET though

dat pic indeed, im gonna cry

Have another one my happy friends

There will always be dangerous ideologies. Encryption can be legislated.

If encryption is illegal, then companies and most devices will not use it. That means that devices that ARE using it are automatically criminally suspect.

>Is it time to ban encrypted messaging apps?
Why? So legitimate, honest citizens can get rammed up the ass by privacy invasion and criminals write their own encrypted tools with the technology which exists anyway?

Also a scapegoat.
That violent ideology is orchestrated by the elite jews conspiring against western civilization.

What legitimate reason do you have for banning military-grade encryption from civilian use?

Yes, you don't need encryption and other military technology like it. If you had nothing to hide you should have nothing to fear.

If encryption was banned, business would shit itself. But odds are you are fine with encryption for large corporations.

Rules for thee, not for me is typical of authoritarian trash.

Encryption enables dangerous ideologies, that's why secure backdoors with asymmetrical encryption is needed by law. You'll get your security and the FBI will be able to decrypt it at any time keeping americans safe.

The FBI is a bigger threat to America than terrorism is. By far.

> military-grade encryption

lel, you have no idea what you're talking about

OP is a retard, news at 11.

It would be irrational for private industry to use backdoor compromised encryption as it's only a matter of time until a third party compromises it.

Unless you are willing to grant larger companies special privilege of access to uncompromisable encryption. This would create another sharp division between elites and plebs.

Besides, some chucklefuck can always make their own encryption schemes as it's just fucking math unless all useful hardware it would be run on also has backdoors.

>military-grade encryption
No such thing. The civilian standard of encryption is AES for symmetric encryption and RSA for asymmetric encryption. It just so happens that the civilian standard is good enough for the military as well.

>What possible legitimate reason
1. I do not need to provide a legitimate reason for anything. You need to provide a reason for it to be illegitimate. Under US law (and the law of any country using a common law system), all things are legal unless a law explicitly makes them illegal.
2. Keeping criminals from snooping on my network traffic, which may contain sensitive financial information.

>Often used by Terrorists because of [...]

This is literal FUD, no serious security expert ever recommends telegram for anything. That shit doesn't protect you from anything. Everyone knows at this point that any terrorist without brain damage uses pen and paper to deliver important messages.

eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177

This is just like that stupid show where Apple "resisted" the FBI demand of cracking the iPhone. Everyone with half a brain knew that the FBI didn't need jackshit and that they were more than able to do it themselves.

it doesn't matter at all, they will find other ways to communicate. do you seriously think ISIS don't have atleast ONE guy capable of making their own encrypted messaging tool if all else fails? they just use this shit cause it's easily available.

If encryption is illegal business will stop happening online, period. Banks won't offer online services, online shops will close, online vendors like Ingram Micro will stop doing business over the internet, you'll probably see most social media sites shut down or crash and burn when people start breaking into their servers and stealing user credentials, in short, you'd kill the internet, and probably take a huge chunk of the global economy with it.

Backdoors are inherently insecure, and any attempt to secure them is folly.

Criminals will use deniable encryption schemes. Businesses will be screwed because they can't advertise the fact that they're using encryption if they are using it. Also, the massive volume of web traffic out there is impossible to track.

>secure backdoors
This is an oxymoron. The government can't even keep a hold on its own cyberweapons. What makes you think that it can hold onto a master encryption key, assuming a master key encryption scheme was even mathematically possible (and I have seen no papers suggesting this to be the case).

Porn, child porn, anti-infidel, and anti-white stuff is fine on FaceBook and YouTube, but "we" need to ban one thing that coincidentally could be used by legitimate protesters to coordinate lawful civil disobedience or post-government infrastructural rebuilding in the event of a catastrophe. Ban whatever you want GCHQ, nobody has any confidence in you. Tell us again how we just need to get used to this sort of thing.

The real problem is allowing non-whites to live in White countries. Jews should not be allowed to live in White countries because they pretend to be "White" and then infiltrate the government to allow dangerous migrants.

Attacking encryption is just a way to make it illegal for White people to protect themselves from their Jewish-controlled governments.

Also, we need to slap media people and fake experts when they babble about "radicalization." There has never been any such thing as radicalization. Like the Russian electoral interference, no coherent model (let alone evidence) has ever been offered. Radicalization is an alibi for drastic cultural differences which the establishment wants to pretend do not exist. The radicalization meme justifies censorship (since people are supposedly radicalized through bad thoughts, hate speech, and unedited video). There is nothing radical or extreme about a Muslim who obeys the commandments of his god and his prophets and scholars. In fact, Islam says in several places that although all Muslims are required to make Jihad, they realize that this is too hard for most people, so there is no hypocrisy or break in people just giving monetary support, passive support, a safe house, or, if nothing else, not cooperating with the non-Muslim authorities.
This kind of thing happens all the time in certain places because it is normal there. It is not reported in the news because it is normal. Soon, the news will stop reporting it here.

It's time to ban terrorism

Two comments up there completely destroyed any arguments against cryptography when it comes to anything illegal. Yet no one even acknowledges and continues on circle jerking around.

military-grade encryption: only available for military, law enforcement, intelligence services. The most secure type of encryption.

industrial-grade encryption: used on public/private infrastructure, banks, consumers only face this when they buy services or use gov service like file taxes online. Sound encryption but keys are held by governmental office which grants licences for encryption use.

consumer-grade encryption: used by private citizens for their transactions between each other. Not "real" encryption, just fuzzing, everything normal law abiding citizen needs.

The actual problem is that the west keeps on ruining the rest of the world. Fortunately Russia and China are going to put a stop to that.

just use a one time pad like a normal human being holy shit

>Yeah, we're gonna outlaw math.

Ban notebook paper, because it can be encrypted

> keys are held by governmental office which grants licences for encryption use

Perfect, let's just make the largest target for cyberattack that has ever existed.
You steal everyone's private key, you own the web.

>what is steganogtaphy
you can easily hide OTP encrypted messages in a clear video stream and noone will find them

Netflix does it all the time.

>ban encryption
>no more HTTPS
>online banking ceases to exist

I've been thinking about this a lot. Particularly if you had a predetermined set of pixels in a video or image (or a range and a start and stop point) you could use the RGB values of those pixels in said video or image to represent the decimal value of ASCII characters and broadcast whatever messages you want in benign videos / images and nobody will know except people who are looking for it. I wonder how often this goes on right now.

the same reason i want curtains at my windows.
privacy is a human right.

all non whites should be banned from encryption, all mudslimes messages should be publically viewable by all

Kek

Hammond of Texas

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not the hero we deserve
but the one we need

What a perfect specimen of wasted life.

Hot damn.

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Awful. Low energy.

they're going to take over ruining everything?

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You know they will ban Linux, right?

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>doesn't realize Android is Linux too

>Net neutrality is bad for you
>Torrents are malware friend we are doing a service by bringing those evil hackers down
>Surveillance is your good friend
>Those subtitles on your Kodi are malicious, better buy from authorized media content deliver channels
>Encryption is only used by state criminals and terrorists, don't use that friend
>Open source is a sin, just use our product everything is fine pinky promise
I'm noticing a pattern here, really makes me think

Different kernel. Has backdoors ootb.

>different kernel
Same kernel, different patches

you're an idiot

>may have been one of the sources of communication

TL: We're pretty much just writing unverified trash we picked up from "anonymous sources"

This is retarded. Terrorists use math? Let us ban math!

Memes aside, net neutrality IS bad for us. We need less government involvement in decided what ((((neutral)))) is. Let the free market do its job.

Banning probably isn't the best option. But some laws would be a good here most likely. A law that requires an encryption key be made available via court order. Encryption on devices could be licensed as well. I see this as a deterent to unlawful use but with some expectation of privacy and process.

Encryption is seen as a munition by the government anyway. Government solution isn't usually my favorite way of doing things but the actions of corporations with regard to privacy are way more invasive than I've seen the government participate in. It's late. Good night anons.

>Ban encryption
Whoops fuck now the criminals have your money due to an insecure login.

fuck off CIA nigger, not everyone is a muslim

or you could leave the video untouched and use packet timing as a covert channel

Clearly the problem is not that the middle east is a hornet's nest and we keep kicking it, but actually mathematics.

>ban
banning guns, knives, spoons, hot water, and pointy sticks seems to have worked GREAT at curbing terrorist attacks, so this should do the trick!

>(((military-grade)))

encryption doesn't kill people
muslims do

>banning math
Yeah let's ban pi too, some sequence of digits down the line will be CP.

The fbi let's terrorist attacks happen. Fuck em.

>implying Muslims won't hate you even if you literally give them your daughters and wives
Adorable.

>What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade encryption on your instant messages?

If I'm interested in downgrading my security protocols for trivial and irrelevant communications, then I would use only military grade encryption.

and like with hornets, we should consider muslims as pests :)

They'll still hate you if you stop kicking them but they hate each other too.
You see, how arab history works is that they fight amongst themselves until there's foreign intervention, which is when the kurds, the shiites the sunnis the baathists and every other genocidal hate group in the region bands together to hate the outsiders.
You leave and they'll start eating themselves again.

That picture is beautiful

>Is it time to ban

No.

"Terrorists" also use

coffee makers if they drink coffee
plates when they eat
trucks when they ram into crowds
televisions to see what the news say about them

think about this for a second: martial law with a permanent curfew so nobody can legally go outside without a special permission would also end terrorism.

do we want that? no.

As someone who's in Sweden I'll give you guys the following to think about: Sweden used to have a population of 9.5 million. We've taken in 500 000 rapefugees, many of them radical mudslimes, the last 5 years and the total population here now stands at about 10 million. Banning encryption won't do anything at all. Not bringing in hordes of radical sandniggers, on the other hand, would have a preventive effect.

Picture related is from the April 17th terror attack in Stockholm.

It's everything's fault but Islam. Ban everything and we might be able to stop terrorism.

So alas it is all Futile.

>no goy, muslims aren't your problem, the only tool keeping us from reading your thoughts is the real problem
Really made me think (((OP)))

>What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade encryption on your instant messages?
I don't want you reading them.

Because nothing could possibly go wrong if you add backdoors to everything.

t. FBI

>ban encryption
>terrorists start communicating over regular telephones again
>"we need to record all telecommunications to fight terrorists!"
It's funny because people immediately go "if this dumb singer bitch stops singing then it means terrorists have won!" or "if you stop going to concerts then terrorists have won!" but in the same breath they say "we need to ban encryption because terrorists are using it".

If you ask me, banning encryption or backdooring it means terrorists have won.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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so the military will start funding quantum computers to accelerate development.
win-win.

Spot the shills

oy vey.

I have a better idea
Outlaw private property

>no im not giving away metaphysical ideas, land and assetings im not utilizing, this is a free country!

What possible legitimate reason could you have for using military-grade math in your higher education?

you parasite mimic piece of shit what you said about middle eastern people and their history is only true for european people and their history. you parasite cannibals always project what you are onto us. and what you pretend to be in your fantasies is what we are in reality. you are a race of mad men driven mad by great vanity and in this madness you gave birth to western civilization. it is only your parasite feeding of all humanity that have caused a lull in your wars among yourselves. once prevented from feeding upon humanity you will go back to feeding on each other like you have always done. you are nothing but slave parasite speceis. western civilization is a criminal organization. the european is a plague upon humanity. in all things what you claim to be, you are the opposite of and what you claim to do, you do the opposite of. you are a race of mad men.