Venezuelans of Sup Forums tell us how bad things are getting their. Is it really a shit show with rationed food...

Venezuelans of Sup Forums tell us how bad things are getting their. Is it really a shit show with rationed food, or is it as a now bitter former Sander-nista said on facebook "Venezuela is doing fine it's the corrupt MSM and corporations that are trying to make a socialist state fail by making it look worse than it really is."

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Its worse than you can possibly imagine.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Is there a redpilled general in your army?

Even the opposition is made up of socialists.
This is cuck territory.

Unfortunately, most Venezuelans are currently watching Copa America. Because football is a priority over food and medicine.

I stand with Chavez.
He was murder and the fascist right wing is trying to kick out Maduro from the presidency.
In Argentina they told us that the right wing will improve our economy...All the contrary, they are destroying our economy with free market policies.

At least with Cristina Kirchner we had money and we didnt have to worry about our inmediate future.

has your police actually killed any protester or they don't dare do that?

Change is coming.

They been killing protestors since 2002.

It's terrible, go beat up that pathetic Berniecuck, people line up to buy food 8 hours before supermarkets open, all day long Maduro spreads propaganda blaming the weather for the blackouts, blaming America for the food shortage and blaming the opposition for all the violence.

We have the world's second highest murder rate and the world's highest inflation rate for fuck's sake.


They aren't really socialists, they pretend to be to appeal to the former chavistas poorfags

>not watching the match and shitposting at the same time

They killed like 40 in the 2014 protests and blamed an opposition leader for that.

> They aren't really socialist
> "A la voz de la revolucion" AD Allup
> Primero Justicia "INFINITE MINIMAL WAGE" Borges
> Social democracy "I cucked my husband" Tintori
> "ZA WARUDO of God" (((Radonsky)))

I want to believe that too but...

A woman died after this week being shot by a police officer in the head with pellets (?) fired by an air gun (?)

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It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down

Is there any real way for this to get better or will it denigrate into social collapse?

>los venezolANOS

We've been looking for a way since july 20th 1810.
Still nothing

Social collapse is how things gets better.
The worse posible scenario is that these assholes stay in control and they starve us to death.

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: I am sure that you know about this topic: various leftist governments, especially the populists, are in serious trouble in Latin America. The socialist model in Venezuela has the country near collapse. Argentina, also Brazil, how do you explain that failure?

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: You are asking me questions…

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: I am sure you’re interested in that.

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: I am very interested, but right now I’m running for President of the United States.

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: So you don’t have an opinion about the crisis in Venezuela?

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: Of course I have an opinion, but as I said, I’m focused on my campaign.

Maduro could resign and call for an election where a competent president gets elected and he picks a cabinets of competent people rather than leftover Chavez BFFs but he'll burn down the country before doing that.

kek

Makes sense. Also why hasn't an uprising or rebellion started? Is it because Chavez took all your guns? and what's the military doing in all this?

Yeaaa, I never supported Sanders but since the Nevada convention debacle I've grown to hate the old socialist fuck.

Well that's depressing but expected. Call me cynical, but what are the odds that a competent person gets elected? Unless Maduro is so incompetent it would be relatively easy to fix

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>THATS A GOOD THING
>THATS A GOOD THING
>THATS A GOOD THING

The only thing I hate more in this world than Chavistas is Venezuelans in USA supporting Sanders

"Lets do everything we can so we can turn everywhere we go into the shithole we just escaped from"

They took the guns, yes. Also the military is basically a drug cartel so they are the ones that lose the most if the goverment burns down, so no Pinochet for us.

He knows
He knows his proposals wouldn work.
At least he stays quiet instead of saying something retarded

>Also why hasn't an uprising or rebellion started?
We tried that in 2014, two months of protests resulted in endless arrests and people getting beat up by the military and the police.

And that is without mentioning the armed chavistas gangs

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Commies are the worst kind of filth, they are unable to listen, not even to the ones that have already been through the bullshit

People like to blame socialism as an easy out. But really it's the unbelievably corrupt and inept government's (and the people that supported them) fault. There's no passage in socialist doctrine that says you should make 90% of your economy based on the export of one commodity and impose a slew of crazy currency controls.

>Its a "its not real socialism if it fails" episode

To be fair, what do you call the great depression and the 2008 recession that cost people their jobs?

And people wanted to keep Dilma here. It was going in the same direction.

Venezuelanos, rise up and REMOVE!

>it's the unbelievably corrupt and inept government
Yeah, and it's socialists that thinks it's a great idea to give that dipshit government control over the economy.
Power corrupts, no matter where or when, if you give too much power to the government you're 100% sure to end up being fucked in the ass. Happens here, happens there, and happens anywhere on this gay earth.

>armed chavistas gangs
You have piqued my curiosity

>not socialism's fault it's the corrupt and inept socialist government's fault!
It became more corrupt and inept because of socialism you ding dong dingo

Brazilbro, what's the deal with Dilma's replacement?

banks being jews

It's just that communism and socialism tend to attract corrupt governments with messiah-like figures and incompetent retards more than the usual shit politicians.

>2008 recession
>doesn't know the government forced companies to give loans to people who couldn't afford to pay them back
Not saying Wall Street is innocent by any means but government stupidity helped cause it

He's bad, but not as bad as Dilma.

What can we do, he was the VP, legally only he can be president while Dilma is judged (and after that). We can't call early elections, there's no law or precedent for that.

The trick is to have a strong, independent judicial and police system to hold politicians accountable to their actions. Corruption is a problem everywhere but it's worse in some places than others.

She will be judged at last by August, IIRC. She can suffer impeachment'd or return to her chair, but the latter is unlikely.

Her VP, Michel Temer, is now president. He promised a lot of changes, but sadly put many investigated people by our main federal investigation (Lava-Jato, or 'car wash') in key spots because, well, he needs them to approve his rulings.

It was an important step to be a better country, but we're still far away...

You mean like the judicial system that Maduro made into a yes man rubber stamping system?

Gotcha. The reason I asked was (surprise surprise) Sander-nistas (who had never been to Brazil mind you) were saying on social media that Dilma was better than Temer because Temer wasn't as progressive as Dilma
>mfw sander supporters as this deluded

Just tell them it wasn't Temer who launched Brazil into its worst recession in history.

Funny you should say that, someone did call them out and tell them that and they blamed the Brazilian right and corporations.

>"Lets do everything we can so we can turn everywhere we go into the shithole we just escaped from"

this applies to some groups of immigrants. Colombians, "latinos" in usa and muslims are good examples of this.

It was macroeconomic policy.
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Dude you don't know how infuriating Sanders supporters are. It's a cult. Progressivism is the opium of the millennial and everyone is a fanatic.

I keep hearing people say the military is a drug cartel, but people never go any further. Just to be clear the military literally makes money from selling drugs? Also you just let the government take your guns?

We are the new muslims indeed, and socialism is our Sharia. Cant forget about that Venezuelan in Chile asking for rent controls.
Fucking Chavistas, they ruin the country and then the flee to bring ruin elsewhere.

>Just to be clear the military literally makes money from selling drugs?
Yes, and almost openly so.

>Also you just let the government take your guns
No second Amendment here. Also no constitution honestly. There is not a single article that hasnt been raped by now.

>the military openly sells drugs
When did this drug dealing military start? Did no one, at any point just stand back and go "this is fucked up we should do something about it"

>no constitution
That's really sad bro. Seeing what happened to Venezuela really makes me appreciate the second amendment and our constitution so much more. Incidentally, seeing leftists argue against the second amendment makes my blood boil even more. Just because these limp wristed socialist "intellectuals" could rely on living in rich neighborhoods as a kid and campus security after that doesn't mean that the second amendment is useless.

Civil unrest is getting an all time high, people is even starting to try and break into gated communities, but they´re fucking robbers, not wanting food.


Im pretty safe where Im now, if anything comes Up, i´ll try posting pics or more information on my area.

Ask me anything thats not my personal info, or location and I´ll try to answer in the best way I can.

Berniefags are the same people that thought that Obama would bring a new era of change and shit.

What they don't realize is that the US basically runs itself and that no matter who wins things will most likely stay the same. Trump will never kick all of the Mexicans out and Bernie will never give free university education to everyone

Though to be fair I think most Venezuelans in the US would lean towards the republican side if it weren't for fear of Trump kicking them out.

How likely is it that the next elections will be fair and Maduro will actually give up power if he loses?

ARISE VENEZUELA

TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY

CENTER-RIGHT REVOLUTION WHEN????

This might seem uninspired but could you elaborate on civil unrest? Forgive my ignorance but I wasn't really aware there were gated communities in Venezuela, I'm assuming the political elite live there?

>no matter who wins things will most likely stay the same
That was more or less the intent the founders have.
>Trump will never kick out the Mexicans
Ehhhh, sorta, see while Bernie would have to go through Congress to pass his free college bill (meaning it wouldn't pass) Trump would be able to deport illegals because illegals are currently breaking the law and it is the executive branch's duty to enforce the law. For the past few administrations the executive branch has chosen to turn a blind eye towards illegals

>Did no one, at any point just stand back and go "this is fucked up we should do something about it"
Frog in a boiling pot.

Where are you bro? Caracas?

The left will likely throw Maduro under the bus and set it up so another leftist takes his place.
He is not a leader, he was just Chavez yes man, so he is replaceble

Sadly Chavez has, even today, an apporval raiting of 55%. People don't blame socialism, they blame the asshole in the president seat, even if he is just keeping intact the policies the Galatic Commander made himself.

How can people still afford gated communites?
How are the gun laws over there?

Do you think there is going to be a famine?

Highly unlikely, I think he is hoping that the country can magically fix itself and that poorfags go back to sucking Chavez's dick all while blaming the opposition controlled congress (which essentially got replaced by the supreme court as soon as the opposition won the election), right now he wouldn't win an election against a chimpanzee.

Problem is that there is no way that he is going to allow the referendum to remove him to happen and that next presidential elections aren't until late 2018

They can't, the government took their guns

>Frog in a boiling pot
Ah the dangers of creeping tyranny

>Chavez has an approval rating of 55%
Are people that stupid? Was he that charismatic?

Not really fair, or likely to happen in a nice fashion. The goverment will try to get a harder grip on the institutions and votes if this escalates and they arent kicked out.

What exactly do you want me to explain? Civil unrest is people burning police bikes, smashing bakeries and entering by force to steal while crying out from hunger and anger.

Gated communities have always been a thing in this country since the oil boom from the last century, before it was only for the elites, and Im far from that, but we are not badly connected, and the guy next door is a bit of a heavyweight in the military in this place, Im certain he´s packing more heat than food inside his home.

And thats one thing im really glad about.

No, not caracas, Lara.

He was the closest thing we ever had to a living God for some people.
Also yes, most people in this country are in fact retarded. We deserve everything bad that is happening to us, and everything bad that will happen.

>how can people still afford gated communities
We have been living inside gated communities since the last decade, our family took off while it could and made money, and we moved out from a shitty apartment to a nice gated community.

>how are gun laws over there
guns are illegal to carry by citizens unless they are part of the police, army, or goverment security.

>do you think there is going to be a famine
Its already happening, just not a full speed holodomor.

I will travel to Venezuela and stage a coup. I will establish the Principality of Venezuela with me as Grand prince. I will then annex Guyana and Suriname.

Will you support me?

A dipshit to rule above all dipshits? Sure

>break into gated communities, but they´re fucking robbers, not wanting food.

Damm it
Any source or more information pls

Are you white?

YOU HAVE MY SWORD

Stay safe bro, and I'd buddy up real quick to your neighbor

>we deserve everything bad that is happening to us
I keep hearing this sentiment from you guys. Also why is Chavez so revered? Is it the oil boom?

>there's already a famine
What's your plan for not starving?

No me, I'll do a better job at filibustering than him

What happened to American that went to Venezuela and made some threads?
I hope he is doing fine

fuck fuck fuck one more country is collapsing because of c*mmies...

>Its already happening, just not a full speed holodomor.

Will it get Ethiopia level famine or will the UN/Latin Amercian countries send food?

I will give the people a nation worth living for. The oil will be for the Venezuelans, the food and supplies for the people.

LONG LIVE THE PRINCIPALITY OF VENEZUELA

Thank you fellow patriot

I will rule with the people on my heart

Cпacибo Пyтин!

have this tweet, I´ll get more as its coming out.

for the country pretty much, italian/austrian ancestry, Its kinda weird, Im pale in the arms and got a golden moustache, but the rest of my hair is black.

Were already on good terms, all our block gets along decently and we have plans in case they try to break in we got "permission" to open fire on anyone due to the circumstances.

>whats your plan for not starving?
I got enough food for a month, plus some plants with veggies, thats not gonna last much, but its something.

we´ve already had food and medicine sent here, the goverment rejects it because they wanna keep up the fog wall that everything is alright and nobody is going hungry or dying of sickess that could be easily treatable with the medications we had.

help us bro, please.

Nah, there is food, the shortage is mostly from products that have government regulated prices. There isn't any bread anywhere though.

The worse problem are the medicines.

Should we accept Venezuelan refugees?

I HATE THIS FUCKER REEEE

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>Also why is Chavez so revered? Is it the oil boom?
Partially. Ask yourself why is Bernie so revered.
Nothing like calling yourself the saviour of the poor to have half of the world licking your but.
Also we have been following strong men since Bolivar and probably we will follow them until we are extinct. The Venezuelan is a man eternally following on foot a general riding his horse. We don't elect presidents, we elect kings.
But to be honest Chavez was also a charismatic fuck.

You want to accept even more shitskins to your country??

Ask them a question first: "Are you proud of your country, even now?"
If he says yes, shoot him.

>help us bro, please.
I'd like, but it looks like your government are the same corrupt faggots as ours, so they will stole all help and leave your country with nothing.

Latinos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arabs

Ah good so its not a total collapse. What food is easily available and what consumer goods are in the greatest shortage other than medicine?

Any idea on how many people will die before this resolves itself

I always hated Chavez and this is coming from a democratic socialist. When I first heard of him a thought he wasn't all that bad, but after some research I discovered that he was one of the BIGGEST hypocrites I ever heard. He says during his campaign that he will help the poor, fight the rich, was a populist and a boliavarian socialist. When in reality he became the rich and made the poor even more poorer. He spent money on a bunch of shit which led him to overspend which led the Venezuela economy into shit(Not to forget that her daughter has a net worth of $4 BILLION DOLLARS) . And since he was a populist trying to fight the elite, his own political party became the shitty elite! And lastly how he described himself as a "Bolivarian Socialist". But if we try to look at the key concepts of Bolivarianism which is
>South American economic and political sovereignty (anti-imperialism)
>Grassroots political participation of the population via popular votes and referendums (Participative democracy)
>Economic self-sufficiency (in food, consumer durables, etc.)
>Instilling in people a national ethic of patriotic service
>Equitable distribution of (South America's) vast natural resources
>Eliminating corruption
>Eliminating
>Corruption
Yes but but even HE and his PARTY(PSUV) where the most corrupt.
Jesus Christ and I thought that Zimbabwe Dictator was bad....

Not by much.

With a complete background check I wouldnt mind it desu, but if you see anyone aligned with the PSUV or chavez, deny them entrance for fucking forever.

chavez was charismatic to the poor and lowly educated folks, he also nailed it with the middle class people that had been hurt by the previous goverments, the idiots thought this would be another german miracle because "muh president did a coup for us"

I dont wanna sound like an asshole, but actual smart people, that knew about our history and its ways, realized that chavez was nothing more than a puppet to expand cuba´s communist policies and grab a hold on our resources like they always wanted since the 60´s

well shit, thanks anyway.

>What food is easily available
Mangos

Oh man that it is just asking fro trouble in a country with toilet paper issues

There's oil


Should America invade?

Which is the best place to live right now?
What about colonia tovasr sincee is the whitest town ?

tl;dr

I'm afraid.
I'm cool with them but i don't want a commie flood here. We are barely getting our shit together, having to deal with those unwashed hordes would kill us.

reposting a conversation with a friend from venezuela.
this was from december i think

I like it it switches between Spanish and English

Reminded me of this

;( don't be mean

WE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU GUYS TO COME IN FOR FIFTEEN YEARS NOW WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WAITING FOR
Caracas ironically. Everywhere else there are electricity shortages.
I am sorry. This is why I feel like dying here.
I don't think we deserve to flee. We all should just go extinct without bothering anyone else.

>Spanglish

>what food is easily available and what consumer goods are in the greatest shortage other than medicine?

bread is on a massive shortage, on all kinds, as well as soaps, deodorants, toilet paper, shampoo, gas for cooking is running low as well, were living off our electric stoves for emergency, but the kitchen works with gas, and the assholes in the company always sell us half full tanks that only last a small amount of time.

>Any idea on how many people will die before this resolves itself

a lot, but nearly not enough to make people realize that these assholes are to blame, so I really dont care if they suffer some more due to sheer stupidity of their political choices in the past.

you would be better off buying cheap oil like this, an invasion would probably drive the prices up and the chinese have a lot of their stinky hands here, that could escalate badly.

the best place to live is outside this shithole, that or the caracas elite areas that are guarded by the military, because thats where the goverment big fish reside in.

That or the south of the country, bordering on brazil, with the mining bussines, they basically buy all their things from the border and dont suffer from the shortages at all, its like an alternate reality.

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Of course not. Just stick to just the ones that are fleeing there and kick them out if they have any ties to the government.

Most of them are white-ish for spics so they won't be complete human pest like wall jumpers and sand niggers.

But they'll end up completely turning Miami into a spanish speaking city.

>Which is the best place to live right now?
Honestly, Caracas because despite being the murder capital of South America is the only place that doesn't have mandated blackouts.

yeah, we like to talk with memes

Don't worry. Let America save you. Within 1 year we will have your president on death row and your government charged with crimes against humanity

Vaya con Dios amigo. Espero que tu pais mejore