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>What distro should I choose?
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux

>What are some cool programs?
wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/list_of_applications
directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page

>What are some cool terminal commands?
commandlinefu.com/
bropages.org/

>Where can I learn the command line?
mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
grymoire.com/Unix/

>Where can I learn more about Free Software?
gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html

>How to break out of the botnet?
prism-break.org/en/categories/gnu-linux

/t/'s GNU/Linux Games: /t/'s GNU/Linux Videos: /fglt/'s website and copypasta collection:
fglt.nl && p.teknik.io/wJ9Zy

Other urls found in this thread:

devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517
devuan.org
pkgs.org/download/unar
site.icu-project.org/download
unarchiver.c3.cx/commandline
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/desktop/2bwm/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/desktop/light/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/desktop/polybar/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/haskell/haskell-clock/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/haskell/haskell-composition/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/haskell/haskell-env-locale/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/libraries/vte3-ng/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/network/telegram-cli/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/perl/perl-rename/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/system/termite/
github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402
elementary.io/en/
forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/threads.html#00192
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

#1 for Gentoo.

Also, because the field was too long, devuan has finally gotten its official release.
devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517
devuan.org
Keep this in the news for next /fglt/

help
my eyes are hurting from all this choppyness

try SourceMage

I have two entries of 'Gnome' in my login screen
why?

are you complaining about de or gnu/linux?

dmesg|grep -i firmware

post results (you might have to run dmesg as root/with sudo I heard)

>there are people who fell so hard for the systemd is a botnet meme that they actually made a distro
wew lad

at this pace they will be ahead of Debian development in a year

actually read what this is about then make an educated comment

nah, still can't figure out how to write a package on it
SlackBuild masterrace

>t. systemd is a botnet memer

running it with sudo gave the same output

>I have no argument so I'll just call you a memer.

give me an example off an slackbuild you made and which steps you did

retrograde

systemd is free software and this whole "init freedom" bullshit complete cancer

still not an educated comment, still an uniformed comment

wait, that name. could it be?

Free software doesn't automatically make it good software.

fuck off authoritarian

Oh neat. I will keep Debian tho. SJWs be dammed, I don't give a shit unless they start popping out on my machine.

>arguments against systemd
>first result is muh UNIX philosophy

UNIX is a trademark, if people want UNIX they should get a mac

SystemD: it works and its open source, but it doesnt follow the way of the god-emperor. Some may purge it completely, but why? It does its job well and after all, G.N.U

>open source
but does it respect my freedoms?

my pacman database is always locked when i boot qnd i have to delete db.lock. what should i do?

Cool, just remember that if you ever want to switch from your existing jessie install all you need to do is replace the package sources in sources.list with the devuan ones, run
apt-get update
apt-get install devuan-keyring
apt-get dist-upgrade

and then reboot.

Reposting:

I'm using Linux Mate 17.1 Sarah, built on Ubuntu Xenial. I need to update a program called unar, but the dev only made it available for Yakkety and above. See here: pkgs.org/download/unar
Notice how there's no 1.10 for Xenial? Yeah.

So in my infinite wisdom I decided to download the version for Yakkety and see if I could install it, and it calls for a package "libicu57" (see pic), but checking the package manager only shows up to "libicu55" and their site site.icu-project.org/download is too full of technical stuff for me to make sense of. Hoping someone can tell me if it's actually possible to get libicu updated to 57 or above and thus get unar 1.10 working on Xenial.

Also, as a last note, here's unar's site unarchiver.c3.cx/commandline notice the section that says how to compile manually, I'm thinking should I just try doing that from the start? Never compiled anything before.

tl;dr how to update unar to 1.10.1 on Linux Mate (Xenial)?

slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/desktop/2bwm/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/desktop/light/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/desktop/polybar/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/haskell/haskell-clock/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/haskell/haskell-composition/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/haskell/haskell-env-locale/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/libraries/vte3-ng/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/network/telegram-cli/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/perl/perl-rename/
slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/system/termite/

I just modified the template, modify some ./configure flag and make and make install.

indeed it does. On an related note, dont fall for the "if it openly admits to spying and is open source its alright to opt in" thats the same mentality as "its MY choice to wear the burka"

Linux Mate is the best Linux.

cant you just compile it yourself?

>but it doesnt follow the way of the god-emperor.

on the contrary, the systemd way is the way of lennart poettering, god-emperor of freedesktop

you follow a false prophet then, for the word of Stallman is the word of GNU, son of UNIX

UNIX is a trademark, if you want UNIX, buy a Mac.

Both gnome music and lollypop are pretty shit, lollypop more so. What are cli music players like? Ive always been a visuals person myself prefering players with a nice organised library.

I'm having a deja-gnu.

Chromium? Can't think of any other software that does it.

the term unix refers to a type of os though, gnu/ linux is a unix style os.

old ubuntu software too. Id argue a lot of "anonymous" shared data could easily be backtracked because of how vague and unprotected the term is

you have been to this place before.

Unix was a operating system in the 70s. It doesn't exist anymore (good thing since it was proprietary anyway). Systems like GNU or BSD are like Unix, or "unix-like".

I want to make a burner account for the wiki to edit the babbies first linux because devuan is ready for production use and needs to be updated. Is account creation still disabled because it's giving me problems.

Not to defend Muslims but in the west, it really is their choice to wear burkhas. The European caliphate hasn't been established quite yet so they don't get stoned if they go out uncovered in public. They choose to wear it because they were taught that women who don't are sluts and whores and they don't place high value on being sluts like western women do.

stop shilling the systemd is bad meme, retard

Devuan has been mentioned under the debian section for a long time, but it no longer needs to say it's not ready for production use.

What are the benefits of SystemD?

It shaves off 0.05 seconds from your boot time

can someone explain the systemd meme?
is it a botnet? don't know who to believe

>not to defend muslims but ill proceed to defend muslims
The amount of pressure from the islamic "communities" on them to wear them makes it a weighted choice. Furthermore i wasnt actually refering to muslims exclusively but rather to those who view as a liberating choice. You say yourself the biased view that is implanted into them.

Systemd is the kernel of Linux, it comes with binary blobs which could be backdoored, so it's better not to use it.

Apple is Linux.

So when is the next version of Devuan is coming?
I have no interest in running 2014 packages when debian stretch is coming soon

it seems you got something wrong here
systemd is an init system, the kernel of the Linux desktop is called "GNU"

more than just binary blobs. The amount of hex droplets within the blobs make encryption a joke on systemd

Systemd is a new init system for Linux, and it works pretty well, most major distros use it now, but it does a lot of different things and it's tightly coupled so you can't really use part of it. Also makes it hard to replace.

>this whole thread again
oh dear holy jesus christ on the cross

They're already working on testing to be ready for the next release, it'll get released after stretch gets released which will come out who knows when.

The kernel of the GNU/Linux desktop is called the Linux kernel.

The expression “the Linux kernel” can easily be misunderstood as meaning “the kernel of Linux” and implying that Linux must be more than a kernel. You can avoid the possibility of this misunderstanding by saying or writing “the kernel, Linux” or “Linux, the kernel”.

The problems people have with systemd are mainly ideological (doesn't follow the unix philosophy of "do one thing and do it well") but also based out of security concerns (one program doing so many things is a significant attack vector) as well as other things such as its use of binary log files and weird Windows-style error messages. Also Poettering is an asshole who once had to be taught how the rm command works.

I currently have Arch on my laptop. What distro should I change to?

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

Can i upgrade to devuan testing by changing the repos like debian?

saved

thanks, don't hate on sourcemage thou, the thing has its charms, pun intended

Absolutely. Read devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-jessie-announce-052517 for what to do.

is devuan the new meme distro

Someone make a dev1 version of this so it can be.

Hi Sup Forumsoods new to gnu/ linux and wondering if i can get sone software recommendations

movie player
music player
illustrator (for tablet drawing)
DAW (if not vst support then at least programmable synths)
screen recorder (p sure osb right?)

and any other useful stuff

Cheers

Should I move from Centos to devuan?

Also, if you don't want jessie just replace jessie with testing in the sources.list, all the repos are on the same server.

>movie player
smplayer+mpv with smtube+youtube-dl for watching yt from it
>music player
terminal: mpd server + ncmpcpp controller
gui: audacious
>illustrator
inkscape, gimp, pinta

other:
partitions: gparted
torrent: qbittorrent, transmission
chat: hexchat
office: libreoffice
audio file tag editing: puddletag

Start with MOC, you browser the filesystem by pressing enter over folders, press "?" to see more keys. Is the easiest and prettiest imho.

this, been using moc before I switched to mpd

>movie player
mpv with baka-mplayer as frontend
>music player
deadbeef
>illustrator
not sure, maybe inkscape?
>DAW
lmms (not sure about how or if vst works on linux)

don't be fooled, there are legitimate technical reasons for not using systemd, the developer is known to leave bugs unfixed and bully anybody who won't use its abomination

is also another great tragedy into coming, as it is hard to fork and leaves too many ways to create vulnerabilities open is suspected to be intentionally tied to its developers, the RedHat corporation employees

Thanks!

Then why did so many major distros adopt systemd if it's so bad?

Don't download multiple programs for media.

>movie player
>music player
VLC. It plays basically anything, even streams from the internet.
>screen recorder (p sure osb right?)
Yes OBS is the best.

>don't be fooled, there are legitimate technical reasons for not using systemd, the developer is known to leave bugs unfixed and bully anybody who won't use its abomination
You're the one who's fooled.
>Then why did so many major distros adopt systemd if it's so bad?
'cause it's actually good. All the people here who shit on it just heard that it's shit from other people here who shit on it.

a quick look into systemd development
thoughts?

>UNIX
triggered

Oh look, he made a mistake. And it's a reasonable mistake too, normally * matches everything which includes . and .. but rm skips those and reports it for safety. Fuck him! He's a complete idiot and the entire thing he wrote is complete garbage! EVERYONE GET HIM!!!

>systemctl start damagecontrold

why did he lock the conversation?

Oh my god this is so hard to choose distro.

Debian

>Posts a reasonable argument in Poettering's favour
>DAMAGECONTROL LOL

He locked the convo because the guy saw his mistake and is now moving on to the 100 other issues he has to work on. Are you even a fucking dev, guy? Why keep issues open longer than necessary?

this, people make mistakes, thats why issues exist

Devuan sounds like a black name for some kid.

Thoughts? github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402

or devuan?

Who cares about the name. They could call it hitlerian for all I care as long as it works and isn't shoving politics into the distro.

depends on your stance on systemd

elementary.io/en/

forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
There you have, it was a shady move to hijack the decision.

Don't be fooled, these apologist are everywhere.

The decision to adopt systemd is so shady they even erased all traces lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/threads.html#00192

>peanut gallery site
Sup Forums?