Municipal internet fags BTFO

>Of the 20 projects evaluated, 11 are cash-flow negative.

>Of the 9 that are cash-flow positive, 7 would need more than 60 years to break even. (A network in Powell, Wyo., would take an estimated 1,253 years to break even at its current rate.)


>Only two — Bristol, Tenn., and Vernon, Calif., — are on track to break even within the life expectancy of the broadband network (30-40 years).

>Many cities managing these projects have faced defaults or reductions in bond ratings.


>Municipal fiber is not an option for the 86% of the country that is not served by a municipal power utility


Capitalism wins agains. Socialists/Marxists on suicide watch.

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lmao . we live in a capitalist world. if anything this shows that capitalism fuckin sucks and doesnt supply the needs of the people

And?
Did you think the DMV was cash flow positive? That's rather the point -- the government doesn't hold you hostage to make a profit. It's a credit union, not a bank.

To be fair municipal fiber is not really meant to be a profit making business. All they should really be shooting for is enough to sustain the network and pay for long term infrastructure upgrades when needed.

>municipal fiber
>OP picture is for verizon FiOS
>the US's largest residential fiber provider
what did he mean by this?

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are you just pretending to be retarded?

...

How will rural fags ever recover?

Well, just make Comcast/AT&T/Verizon/Charter share their networks.

Share?

I can see an argument made for regulated bandwidth leasing (regulated so comcast/verizon/charter/whoever can't just gouge pricing by charging whatever they want)

Are services like maintaining roads and enforcing laws meant to be profitable by themselves?

Has you ever considered the societal "monetary" benefits beyond the circle of an organization?

That's something a commie would say.

It's their network, they can charge whatever they want. If you don't like it, then move, or use a wireless ISP.

>It's their network, they can charge whatever they want. If you don't like it, then move, or use a wireless ISP.
I'm talking about wholesale bandwidth to a smaller local ISP.

If you want to buy backbone bandwidth and you're willing to pay for equipment and labor costs, you shouldn't be forced out of competing because Verizon decides they dont like you because you're a small local ISP who has no alternative, they'll charge 5x what it should cost, just to make sure this ISP can't compete with the service they already offer.


You need SOME amount of regulation or they just divide up their own personal swaths of the country and say fuck competition.

Does municipal Internet really sound capitalist to you?

Verizon and ATT compete with all the cable companies you dumbfuck.

Are you pretending to be retarded or do you actually think there is competition?

3 miles from me the fastest you can get is 100mbps comcast for like $120 a month.

Where I am I can get 1000mbps fiber for $70 a month.


Comcast doesn't give a fuck, verizon isn't going to suddenly start expanding their network to compete, and comcast isn't going to lower their prices to bother competing with Verizon. So they just keep their distance and let each other do whatever they want.


There are pockets of competition in a few areas of the country, but even that in most cases is just barely competition.

>A network in Powell, Wyo., would take an estimated 1,253 years to break even at its current rate
>Population 6,314

Everywhere there is 1/1 gig internet from ATT or Verizon, there is a cable internet alternative. The telcos (ATT VZ etc) are building up their fiber networks where it is actually profitable. (Hint: not in many places like the OP article clearly shows).

>City run broadband
>Capitalism

Yeah okay Marx

>The telcos (ATT VZ etc) are building up their fiber networks where it is actually profitable
Yup
Verizon has even started publicly talking about their NG-PON2 upgrades they plan to make in the northeast over the next few years.

Bristol TN. Otherwise known as BVU. Mass corruption brought the optinet division crashing down.
Sold to a private company.
Which means I can finally get fiber.

If capitalism wins remove the law that allows for monopolies and let companies actually compete with each other

rural here
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What law? In how many states?

If you don't allow "monopolies", many cities will be left without any internet at all.

It's the business model that is the problem. Internet should be metered and regulated like electricity. If I download a shitload of data, I should pay more for my internet, and if I don't download much, I should pay less. Large companies shuffling around shitloads of data should be the ones shouldering the financial burden of maintaining the internet infrastructure.

>Internet should be metered and regulated like electricity
Fuck off shill, either that or you're actually fucking retarded.

It'd be like electricity if once you laid the copper to people's houses it just always supplied electricity forever at little to no cost to the electrical company.


Once your ISP has laid the infrastructure it doesn't matter how much data they transmit, the cost is negligible. Pennies per terabyte.

In that case, why am I paying so much for it? If it's really that cheap to move data around, they should just make it a free public utility and make us pay an internet tax to maintain the infrastructure.

The cost is entirely in the infrastructure. And continuing to upgrade the infrastructure to keep pace with customers needs.

You're correct though, it should just be a public utility and taxed to maintain and upgrade. It would make things much easier, but we can't have big government in the US cause that's evil.

>public utility

No I'd rather not pay per megabyte

Im saying public owned and funded entirely through taxes. Not that you would be charged like electricity or other utilities.

>Im saying public owned and funded entirely through taxes.

No, I'd rather have my taxes raised.

If someone really needs the internet they can go to a library or use their Obamaphone.

>muh municipality

already proven to be failures

...oh no, it's retarded

>Not mentioning Marshall Missouri.
Kys, fake news.

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I think he meant comcast btfo so hard they are going to have to change their isp name again

The solution is simple more tax cuts for the 1% so they can invest in ISPs that over charge you for shit service and sell your information.

>Are services like maintaining roads and enforcing laws meant to be profitable by themselves?
In Burgerland there are entire profitable institutions built around public tax dollar services. Also, the fed gubmint doesn't really like doing universal services or any sort of utility based goods. They rather outsource and tax because they're incapable of managing anything

you

werks for me ™

>they should just make it a free public utility
>the gubmint should just commandeer the whole private telecom sector so I can have it for free
please stop posting

>purposely run government into the ground
>"see guys? big government doesn't work!"

these are city municipalities not the federal government

Still wont stop people from using it as a reason why it wont work on a national level in the US.

Because it won't work.

But since socialism works so much, why is the internet in other places like Germany, UK, Aus, Canada so shit compared to the US?

I'm tired of being stuck with bullshit speed from I e company or even more bullshit speed from another someone needs to fucking fix this right the fuck now I shouldn't have to wait overnight for a 50 gig download it's ridiculous

>why is the internet in other places like Germany, UK, Aus, Canada so shit compared to the US?
You are dumb, and should feel bad. I pay $60 for 1.5Mbit and live in the US.

And what are you talking about shit internet in the UK? UK internet tends to be pretty competitive unlike the US.

If by Aus you mean Australia, their internet along with Canada and the US tend to have similarities. Vast lands and lower populations equals higher infrastructure cost per person outside the mega cities.

Municipal fiber isn't supposed to make money. That's the point.

>I want low taxes for billionaires because someday I'll be a billionaire and I'll want low taxes

>UK internet tends to be pretty competitive unlike the US.
Then why are there a half dozen cities in the US where you can get 1gbps for $70 a month, but the UK tops out at like 300mbps for residential, and even thats hard to come by.

I'm so glad I'm not American.

there are worse things

I live fucking nowhere and I can get 1G/100M for 40 euros per month. I can only imagine what kind of a ass-fuck of a plan I could get if I lived nowhere, USA.

This

> I can get 1G/100M for 40 euros per month

Clearly you can't or you'd post a speed test higher than 900mbps.

As it is it looks like your ISP is jewing you on the last 250mbps.

Fuck off leftist shill.

>Fuck off leftist shill.
Give an demonstrable reason as to why an ISP should be given free reign to charge whatever the fuck they want vs. charging a reasonable fee on top of the bare minimum to maintain and upgrade their infrastructure?

As it is these companies are trying to make it so they have growth in EVERY single quarter, quarter after quarter. Endless growth simply isn't sustainable, especially when it's only possible by overcharging and gouging your customers. It would be one thing if they turned around and reinvested the profits into their company to create a better network, but that isn't what's being done in most situations. The only places getting infrastructure upgrades are places that already have decent infrastructure and are profitable. They don't give two shits about everyone else.

It's funny when people who live in a small ass country brag about how fast their internet is. As if the USA wasn't bigger than the entirety of Europe and not as population dense.

Fios has not come close to suppling actual fiber to most of its areas

it bought the Seattle area 10 years ago and is still just DSL

it only has a small pocket of Fios in Tampa FL, but even in NY its barely out and thats teh only place its now monitoring, it sold the other states

>it bought the Seattle area 10 years ago and is still just DSL
>
>it only has a small pocket of Fios in Tampa FL,
Anything called FiOS that isn't in the north east corridor between Richmond and Boston, was sold to Frontier over 18 months ago.

They used the money from the sale to buy XO communications a small enterprise provider of fiber backbone. As well as upgrading their existing network in the north east for 1gbps residential service.

Sure it sucks for those without the service, but FiOS hasn't exactly failed entirely. Fiber deployment is just stupid expensive, the only reason they're able to upgrade their shit now is because GPON tech is finally getting old enough where costs have come down 10-20x since when they started implementing GPON back in ~2008.


As for new york, if you call 311 there is a specific service for getting verizon to install FiOS in your building, the problem is your building owner has to allow them to do it, and if the building owner doesn't play ball, verizon just moves on to the next building.

If the building owner wants FiOS however your building will likely be wired up in 3-4 months after you call 311.

fuck the sale to frontier just last year, im talking about the area in Seattle that was sold 10 years prior to that

they have zero fiber

only Centrylink is supplying fiber to the city

theres a small area north of seattle that actually has Fios

also i lived in NJ back in 2010 after Fios was announced like 10 years prior to that

they never expanded to Cablevision areas and still havent, even the areas of NY they promised to supply they never did

they did shit with the grants they were supplied

Enter your old address and see if it has service.

I've lived in 4 different places over the last decade and have had FiOS at all 4 of them.

Enjoy your datacaps

What fiber ISP has data caps? Lol

you were saying?

and i lived on a major street where all the lines are

fios has always had data caps

check the forums on dslreports

ppl got letters all the time when they went over or got close to what they perceived to be "excessive"

Second post best post

They have an established 10TB soft data cap, if you honestly think that's unreasonable you're a retard.

Further, it's not an issue if you only go over once or twice, it's when you continuously use 10TB+.

And if you continually can use 10TB a month EVERY month, you SHOULD be paying for a business line, you're the top 0.0001% of residential data users.
I'd bet you $50 you live in some shitty small town and think FiOS is somehow obligated to wire up your shitty town despite the fact they'd never make their money back even in 20 years of providing service.

i had them for 5 years while it was still under Verizon, i never got a steady 75 up which i was paying for

they jew their servers all the time

also their router sucks ass too including the UI

actually piscataway is literally one of the biggest tech cities now in NJ/tri state area

and checking rent prices its 3000 for a single bedroom, it was 1000 when i moved back in 2009

nice try faget

>they'd never make their money back even in 20 years of providing service

20 years is being generous. it's more like 1,000+ years like some cities in the article

>they jew their servers all the time
They had peering problems with netflix and youtube a few years back, but i've not noticed anything since, and I do 3-4TB a month in traffic, I would notice slow downs.

I also upload 1TB+ a month and get full speeds in my uploads as well.


Also, the router they include is pretty damn good, AC1750, 3x3 antenna, etc.

>actually piscataway is literally one of the biggest tech cities now in NJ/tri state area
Kek sucks for you, I used to live legit about 15-20 mins away. We had FiOS there for years before I moved down to DC.

nigga this was on speedtests, not services

the needle would fluctuate at like 25 up 24/7

>nigga this was on speedtests, not services
Then you were connecting to a shit server

>moving to nigger capital

>he still thinks it's the 1980s

Retard, DC has been gentrified several times over the past century, and it's currently undergoing another period of gentrification.

The blacks who had houses or property worth buying sold and moved elsewhere, the only ones left are hold outs in areas that aren't quite ready to be bought by white people again.

However, even neighborhoods that were "ghetto" a decade or two ago are now great neighborhoods, rows of shops and restaurants, young white people out for a walk or jog, etc etc.

oh is that the "800~900" service package?

is that less than the 1Gbps?

>acting like DC is gentrified
>acting like DC traffic isnt shit

>he doesn't understand basic networking

It's 1gbps, your network card will limit you from ever getting past about 945mbps without it being testing error however.

TCP packet overhead is 5.5% meaning at a full 1000mbps you're limited to about 945mbps once you account for the frame size.

>acting like DC traffic isnt shit
>acting like anyone who lives in DC is in traffic

nice meme retard

oh so then when their 75/75 package doesnt come close to 75 up thats because the 1gbps network card was limiting it, right?

also nice job literally admitting to being kucked because the actual test was 800~ for most of it

>tfw live in one of the most major tech cities in the US
>live 2 miles from a large Google office
>can get 200 mbps for $85/month, or 2000 for $300/month
>nothing in between

Life is pain, and Comcast is shit

I've had 10/5, 25/5, 25/25, 75/75, 150/150, and 1000/1000.


I don't think i've had upload that was slower than my download since like 2008.

Here is a speedtest from last year when I had 150/150.

>>can get 200 mbps for $85/month, or 2000 for $300/month
that sucks, comcast doesn't jew us so badly here.

Only $149.99

Tbh I'm probably just going to get 25 mbps for $40 because I'm a poor grad student

>here's my 1 test

go do dslreports fios forums and take a look at their service all over the nation that was supurb

i have the same asus ac56u with openwrt on it that i had with fios

i have zero lag with 2 ppl using it on my $30 a month 70/5 service from charter than i was getting from my $104 a month 75/75 on fios

with that router

check your area, i have a company called pocketinet that's rolling out gigabit internet in the area to rival charter and offering 1GB/1GB for $100 a mo and lower tiers for less, its gonna ruin them and force them to finally upgrade their own services

most places have local providers doing the same, you just have to search for it

I already have gigabit for under $100 a month.

I was just saying, at least comcast doesn't jew us so much on the 2gbps tier. Only $149.99 around here instead of $299.99.

...what does this even mean?
>i have zero lag with 2 ppl using it on my $30 a month 70/5 service from charter than i was getting from my $104 a month 75/75 on fios

>I have zero lag with 2 ppl using it on 70/5 from charter
>than i was getting from my 75/75 from fios


You need to have connecting words here. What you're saying doesn't make logical sense as you've written it here.

I''m pretty sure i get what you're trying to say, but you don't actually give any examples or solid evidence verizon was somehow worse for you.

>Finally find the perfect place to settle down and start my family
>Love my wife and children, become a part of the community, grow old together
>Broadband internet becomes ubiquitous, but government allows for area specific monopolies
>IF U DENT GUNNA LIKE IT DEN MOVE SUMWHER ELSE
>Say goodbye to my wife and children and community, I need a better internet connection

no one made that argument

>no evidence

i just told you, the fucking dslreports fios forums prior to the frontier buy out

even youtube would fucking lag

there was also a time when i found out through tracerts that one of the fios routing stations was having massive packet loss, they never knew/publically talked about it

once i made the thread where employees lurked it finally got fixed

also fuck having to call up tech support to release the IP, the most annoying shit ever

especially for anons who need to occassionally

>i just told you
Oh wew, anecdotes, and since i have over a decade with FiOS personally, I have years of my own anecdotes telling me you're flat fucking wrong.

>also fuck having to call up tech support to release the IP, the most annoying shit ever
You don't have to, that's just the easy way for retards like yourself, if you knew what you were doing you'd have just disconnected your ONT and let it power cycle for a few minutes and then get a new IP lease when you reconnect.

>even youtube would fucking lag
Also, as I said earlier ()
>They had peering problems with netflix and youtube a few years back, but i've not noticed anything since, and I do 3-4TB a month in traffic, I would notice slow downs.

then move along with your slut wife and stepson you cuc.k

stop being entitled

>my connection is indicative to the entire nation

you do know that just finding a server that gives you the results you want isnt a true test right?

there are sites that ping various servers across the nation and give you a real test of actually using the internet which doesnt house a server directly in your city

>you do know that just finding a server that gives you the results you want isnt a true test right?
Been there done that.

Further, I have found of the 8 closest speedtest.net servers, 6 of them give me full speeds pretty much any time of the day. 2 of them always cap uploads to 500mbps, and tend to throttle download in the 700-800s.


Here is a test to san jose over 2000 miles away.

speedtest is bullshit bro

use bing search and type speedtest

both up and down went straight to those numbers and flat lined, so my assumption is the test server is not particularly set up for 1gbps speeds.

try google's, same thing just type speedtest on google

> BTFO
> on suicide watch
Your thread starts with shitposting cliches and that does not set anybody to a productive discussion. Sorry, I'll pass.

Google servers depend on the time of day, i've seen it as high as 700mbps on both up and down.
But usually it's around 300-500mbps. I assume because google servers have regular amounts of traffic and they're not set up for dedicated 1gbps testing.

Further, if I test to google fiber's speedtest servers I can get 800-900mbps+.