>Of the 20 projects evaluated, 11 are cash-flow negative.
>Of the 9 that are cash-flow positive, 7 would need more than 60 years to break even. (A network in Powell, Wyo., would take an estimated 1,253 years to break even at its current rate.)
>Only two — Bristol, Tenn., and Vernon, Calif., — are on track to break even within the life expectancy of the broadband network (30-40 years).
>Many cities managing these projects have faced defaults or reductions in bond ratings.
>Municipal fiber is not an option for the 86% of the country that is not served by a municipal power utility
Capitalism wins agains. Socialists/Marxists on suicide watch.
lmao . we live in a capitalist world. if anything this shows that capitalism fuckin sucks and doesnt supply the needs of the people
Michael Perry
And? Did you think the DMV was cash flow positive? That's rather the point -- the government doesn't hold you hostage to make a profit. It's a credit union, not a bank.
Brandon Perry
To be fair municipal fiber is not really meant to be a profit making business. All they should really be shooting for is enough to sustain the network and pay for long term infrastructure upgrades when needed.
James Gray
>municipal fiber >OP picture is for verizon FiOS >the US's largest residential fiber provider what did he mean by this?
Ethan Moore
60601276 are you just pretending to be retarded?
Chase Myers
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Mason Butler
How will rural fags ever recover?
Ian Williams
Well, just make Comcast/AT&T/Verizon/Charter share their networks.
Kayden Flores
Share?
I can see an argument made for regulated bandwidth leasing (regulated so comcast/verizon/charter/whoever can't just gouge pricing by charging whatever they want)
Logan Phillips
Are services like maintaining roads and enforcing laws meant to be profitable by themselves?
Has you ever considered the societal "monetary" benefits beyond the circle of an organization?
Benjamin Harris
That's something a commie would say.
It's their network, they can charge whatever they want. If you don't like it, then move, or use a wireless ISP.
Owen Perez
>It's their network, they can charge whatever they want. If you don't like it, then move, or use a wireless ISP. I'm talking about wholesale bandwidth to a smaller local ISP.
If you want to buy backbone bandwidth and you're willing to pay for equipment and labor costs, you shouldn't be forced out of competing because Verizon decides they dont like you because you're a small local ISP who has no alternative, they'll charge 5x what it should cost, just to make sure this ISP can't compete with the service they already offer.
You need SOME amount of regulation or they just divide up their own personal swaths of the country and say fuck competition.
Jonathan Reyes
Does municipal Internet really sound capitalist to you?
Asher Perez
Verizon and ATT compete with all the cable companies you dumbfuck.
Asher Wood
Are you pretending to be retarded or do you actually think there is competition?
3 miles from me the fastest you can get is 100mbps comcast for like $120 a month.
Where I am I can get 1000mbps fiber for $70 a month.
Comcast doesn't give a fuck, verizon isn't going to suddenly start expanding their network to compete, and comcast isn't going to lower their prices to bother competing with Verizon. So they just keep their distance and let each other do whatever they want.
There are pockets of competition in a few areas of the country, but even that in most cases is just barely competition.
Bentley Wright
>A network in Powell, Wyo., would take an estimated 1,253 years to break even at its current rate >Population 6,314
Jordan Lopez
Everywhere there is 1/1 gig internet from ATT or Verizon, there is a cable internet alternative. The telcos (ATT VZ etc) are building up their fiber networks where it is actually profitable. (Hint: not in many places like the OP article clearly shows).
Jason Anderson
>City run broadband >Capitalism
Yeah okay Marx
Ayden Taylor
>The telcos (ATT VZ etc) are building up their fiber networks where it is actually profitable Yup Verizon has even started publicly talking about their NG-PON2 upgrades they plan to make in the northeast over the next few years.
Luke Perry
Bristol TN. Otherwise known as BVU. Mass corruption brought the optinet division crashing down. Sold to a private company. Which means I can finally get fiber.
Grayson Gonzalez
If capitalism wins remove the law that allows for monopolies and let companies actually compete with each other
If you don't allow "monopolies", many cities will be left without any internet at all.
Josiah Thompson
It's the business model that is the problem. Internet should be metered and regulated like electricity. If I download a shitload of data, I should pay more for my internet, and if I don't download much, I should pay less. Large companies shuffling around shitloads of data should be the ones shouldering the financial burden of maintaining the internet infrastructure.
Logan Jones
>Internet should be metered and regulated like electricity Fuck off shill, either that or you're actually fucking retarded.
It'd be like electricity if once you laid the copper to people's houses it just always supplied electricity forever at little to no cost to the electrical company.
Once your ISP has laid the infrastructure it doesn't matter how much data they transmit, the cost is negligible. Pennies per terabyte.
Daniel Morris
In that case, why am I paying so much for it? If it's really that cheap to move data around, they should just make it a free public utility and make us pay an internet tax to maintain the infrastructure.
Julian White
The cost is entirely in the infrastructure. And continuing to upgrade the infrastructure to keep pace with customers needs.
You're correct though, it should just be a public utility and taxed to maintain and upgrade. It would make things much easier, but we can't have big government in the US cause that's evil.
Kevin Jackson
>public utility
No I'd rather not pay per megabyte
Lincoln Miller
Im saying public owned and funded entirely through taxes. Not that you would be charged like electricity or other utilities.
Ayden Rivera
>Im saying public owned and funded entirely through taxes.
No, I'd rather have my taxes raised.
If someone really needs the internet they can go to a library or use their Obamaphone.
I think he meant comcast btfo so hard they are going to have to change their isp name again
Carter Bennett
The solution is simple more tax cuts for the 1% so they can invest in ISPs that over charge you for shit service and sell your information.
Samuel Wilson
>Are services like maintaining roads and enforcing laws meant to be profitable by themselves? In Burgerland there are entire profitable institutions built around public tax dollar services. Also, the fed gubmint doesn't really like doing universal services or any sort of utility based goods. They rather outsource and tax because they're incapable of managing anything
Xavier Taylor
you
Gabriel Lee
werks for me ™
Elijah Rogers
>they should just make it a free public utility >the gubmint should just commandeer the whole private telecom sector so I can have it for free please stop posting
Andrew Butler
>purposely run government into the ground >"see guys? big government doesn't work!"
Andrew Richardson
these are city municipalities not the federal government
Austin Gray
Still wont stop people from using it as a reason why it wont work on a national level in the US.
Wyatt Miller
Because it won't work.
But since socialism works so much, why is the internet in other places like Germany, UK, Aus, Canada so shit compared to the US?
Blake Collins
I'm tired of being stuck with bullshit speed from I e company or even more bullshit speed from another someone needs to fucking fix this right the fuck now I shouldn't have to wait overnight for a 50 gig download it's ridiculous
Brody Anderson
>why is the internet in other places like Germany, UK, Aus, Canada so shit compared to the US? You are dumb, and should feel bad. I pay $60 for 1.5Mbit and live in the US.
And what are you talking about shit internet in the UK? UK internet tends to be pretty competitive unlike the US.
If by Aus you mean Australia, their internet along with Canada and the US tend to have similarities. Vast lands and lower populations equals higher infrastructure cost per person outside the mega cities.
Samuel Wood
Municipal fiber isn't supposed to make money. That's the point.
Justin Green
>I want low taxes for billionaires because someday I'll be a billionaire and I'll want low taxes
Thomas Reed
>UK internet tends to be pretty competitive unlike the US. Then why are there a half dozen cities in the US where you can get 1gbps for $70 a month, but the UK tops out at like 300mbps for residential, and even thats hard to come by.
Austin Barnes
I'm so glad I'm not American.
Bentley Roberts
there are worse things
Benjamin Rogers
I live fucking nowhere and I can get 1G/100M for 40 euros per month. I can only imagine what kind of a ass-fuck of a plan I could get if I lived nowhere, USA.
Adrian Thomas
This
Xavier Gomez
> I can get 1G/100M for 40 euros per month
Clearly you can't or you'd post a speed test higher than 900mbps.
As it is it looks like your ISP is jewing you on the last 250mbps.
Jacob Garcia
Fuck off leftist shill.
Tyler Wright
>Fuck off leftist shill. Give an demonstrable reason as to why an ISP should be given free reign to charge whatever the fuck they want vs. charging a reasonable fee on top of the bare minimum to maintain and upgrade their infrastructure?
As it is these companies are trying to make it so they have growth in EVERY single quarter, quarter after quarter. Endless growth simply isn't sustainable, especially when it's only possible by overcharging and gouging your customers. It would be one thing if they turned around and reinvested the profits into their company to create a better network, but that isn't what's being done in most situations. The only places getting infrastructure upgrades are places that already have decent infrastructure and are profitable. They don't give two shits about everyone else.
Tyler Hall
It's funny when people who live in a small ass country brag about how fast their internet is. As if the USA wasn't bigger than the entirety of Europe and not as population dense.
Brody Wright
Fios has not come close to suppling actual fiber to most of its areas
it bought the Seattle area 10 years ago and is still just DSL
it only has a small pocket of Fios in Tampa FL, but even in NY its barely out and thats teh only place its now monitoring, it sold the other states
Ethan Jenkins
>it bought the Seattle area 10 years ago and is still just DSL > >it only has a small pocket of Fios in Tampa FL, Anything called FiOS that isn't in the north east corridor between Richmond and Boston, was sold to Frontier over 18 months ago.
They used the money from the sale to buy XO communications a small enterprise provider of fiber backbone. As well as upgrading their existing network in the north east for 1gbps residential service.
Sure it sucks for those without the service, but FiOS hasn't exactly failed entirely. Fiber deployment is just stupid expensive, the only reason they're able to upgrade their shit now is because GPON tech is finally getting old enough where costs have come down 10-20x since when they started implementing GPON back in ~2008.
As for new york, if you call 311 there is a specific service for getting verizon to install FiOS in your building, the problem is your building owner has to allow them to do it, and if the building owner doesn't play ball, verizon just moves on to the next building.
If the building owner wants FiOS however your building will likely be wired up in 3-4 months after you call 311.
Chase Bell
fuck the sale to frontier just last year, im talking about the area in Seattle that was sold 10 years prior to that
they have zero fiber
only Centrylink is supplying fiber to the city
theres a small area north of seattle that actually has Fios
Colton Bennett
also i lived in NJ back in 2010 after Fios was announced like 10 years prior to that
they never expanded to Cablevision areas and still havent, even the areas of NY they promised to supply they never did
they did shit with the grants they were supplied
Isaac Taylor
Enter your old address and see if it has service.
I've lived in 4 different places over the last decade and have had FiOS at all 4 of them.
Eli Collins
Enjoy your datacaps
Jacob Adams
What fiber ISP has data caps? Lol
Grayson Reyes
you were saying?
and i lived on a major street where all the lines are
Ian Mitchell
fios has always had data caps
check the forums on dslreports
ppl got letters all the time when they went over or got close to what they perceived to be "excessive"
Charles Wood
Second post best post
Justin Torres
They have an established 10TB soft data cap, if you honestly think that's unreasonable you're a retard.
Further, it's not an issue if you only go over once or twice, it's when you continuously use 10TB+.
And if you continually can use 10TB a month EVERY month, you SHOULD be paying for a business line, you're the top 0.0001% of residential data users. I'd bet you $50 you live in some shitty small town and think FiOS is somehow obligated to wire up your shitty town despite the fact they'd never make their money back even in 20 years of providing service.
Nicholas Lopez
i had them for 5 years while it was still under Verizon, i never got a steady 75 up which i was paying for
they jew their servers all the time
also their router sucks ass too including the UI
Logan Nguyen
actually piscataway is literally one of the biggest tech cities now in NJ/tri state area
and checking rent prices its 3000 for a single bedroom, it was 1000 when i moved back in 2009
nice try faget
Cameron Butler
>they'd never make their money back even in 20 years of providing service
20 years is being generous. it's more like 1,000+ years like some cities in the article
Landon Cox
>they jew their servers all the time They had peering problems with netflix and youtube a few years back, but i've not noticed anything since, and I do 3-4TB a month in traffic, I would notice slow downs.
I also upload 1TB+ a month and get full speeds in my uploads as well.
Also, the router they include is pretty damn good, AC1750, 3x3 antenna, etc.
>actually piscataway is literally one of the biggest tech cities now in NJ/tri state area Kek sucks for you, I used to live legit about 15-20 mins away. We had FiOS there for years before I moved down to DC.
Ethan Martinez
nigga this was on speedtests, not services
the needle would fluctuate at like 25 up 24/7
Dylan Wright
>nigga this was on speedtests, not services Then you were connecting to a shit server
Mason Foster
>moving to nigger capital
Ryder Gonzalez
>he still thinks it's the 1980s
Retard, DC has been gentrified several times over the past century, and it's currently undergoing another period of gentrification.
The blacks who had houses or property worth buying sold and moved elsewhere, the only ones left are hold outs in areas that aren't quite ready to be bought by white people again.
However, even neighborhoods that were "ghetto" a decade or two ago are now great neighborhoods, rows of shops and restaurants, young white people out for a walk or jog, etc etc.
Chase Long
oh is that the "800~900" service package?
is that less than the 1Gbps?
Easton Ortiz
>acting like DC is gentrified >acting like DC traffic isnt shit
Joshua Reed
>he doesn't understand basic networking
It's 1gbps, your network card will limit you from ever getting past about 945mbps without it being testing error however.
TCP packet overhead is 5.5% meaning at a full 1000mbps you're limited to about 945mbps once you account for the frame size.
David Hall
>acting like DC traffic isnt shit >acting like anyone who lives in DC is in traffic
nice meme retard
Carter Robinson
oh so then when their 75/75 package doesnt come close to 75 up thats because the 1gbps network card was limiting it, right?
also nice job literally admitting to being kucked because the actual test was 800~ for most of it
Aiden Perez
>tfw live in one of the most major tech cities in the US >live 2 miles from a large Google office >can get 200 mbps for $85/month, or 2000 for $300/month >nothing in between
Life is pain, and Comcast is shit
Xavier Brooks
I've had 10/5, 25/5, 25/25, 75/75, 150/150, and 1000/1000.
I don't think i've had upload that was slower than my download since like 2008.
Here is a speedtest from last year when I had 150/150.
Brandon Williams
>>can get 200 mbps for $85/month, or 2000 for $300/month that sucks, comcast doesn't jew us so badly here.
Only $149.99
Kayden Walker
Tbh I'm probably just going to get 25 mbps for $40 because I'm a poor grad student
Samuel Rodriguez
>here's my 1 test
go do dslreports fios forums and take a look at their service all over the nation that was supurb
i have the same asus ac56u with openwrt on it that i had with fios
i have zero lag with 2 ppl using it on my $30 a month 70/5 service from charter than i was getting from my $104 a month 75/75 on fios
with that router
Wyatt Gutierrez
check your area, i have a company called pocketinet that's rolling out gigabit internet in the area to rival charter and offering 1GB/1GB for $100 a mo and lower tiers for less, its gonna ruin them and force them to finally upgrade their own services
most places have local providers doing the same, you just have to search for it
Jaxson Lewis
I already have gigabit for under $100 a month.
I was just saying, at least comcast doesn't jew us so much on the 2gbps tier. Only $149.99 around here instead of $299.99.
Jaxson Scott
...what does this even mean? >i have zero lag with 2 ppl using it on my $30 a month 70/5 service from charter than i was getting from my $104 a month 75/75 on fios
>I have zero lag with 2 ppl using it on 70/5 from charter >than i was getting from my 75/75 from fios
You need to have connecting words here. What you're saying doesn't make logical sense as you've written it here.
I''m pretty sure i get what you're trying to say, but you don't actually give any examples or solid evidence verizon was somehow worse for you.
Nathaniel Hernandez
>Finally find the perfect place to settle down and start my family >Love my wife and children, become a part of the community, grow old together >Broadband internet becomes ubiquitous, but government allows for area specific monopolies >IF U DENT GUNNA LIKE IT DEN MOVE SUMWHER ELSE >Say goodbye to my wife and children and community, I need a better internet connection
Aaron James
no one made that argument
Parker Jenkins
>no evidence
i just told you, the fucking dslreports fios forums prior to the frontier buy out
even youtube would fucking lag
there was also a time when i found out through tracerts that one of the fios routing stations was having massive packet loss, they never knew/publically talked about it
once i made the thread where employees lurked it finally got fixed
also fuck having to call up tech support to release the IP, the most annoying shit ever
especially for anons who need to occassionally
Luis Allen
>i just told you Oh wew, anecdotes, and since i have over a decade with FiOS personally, I have years of my own anecdotes telling me you're flat fucking wrong.
>also fuck having to call up tech support to release the IP, the most annoying shit ever You don't have to, that's just the easy way for retards like yourself, if you knew what you were doing you'd have just disconnected your ONT and let it power cycle for a few minutes and then get a new IP lease when you reconnect.
>even youtube would fucking lag Also, as I said earlier () >They had peering problems with netflix and youtube a few years back, but i've not noticed anything since, and I do 3-4TB a month in traffic, I would notice slow downs.
Aiden Nguyen
then move along with your slut wife and stepson you cuc.k
stop being entitled
Alexander Turner
>my connection is indicative to the entire nation
you do know that just finding a server that gives you the results you want isnt a true test right?
there are sites that ping various servers across the nation and give you a real test of actually using the internet which doesnt house a server directly in your city
Andrew Wilson
>you do know that just finding a server that gives you the results you want isnt a true test right? Been there done that.
Further, I have found of the 8 closest speedtest.net servers, 6 of them give me full speeds pretty much any time of the day. 2 of them always cap uploads to 500mbps, and tend to throttle download in the 700-800s.
Here is a test to san jose over 2000 miles away.
Easton James
speedtest is bullshit bro
use bing search and type speedtest
Josiah Sullivan
both up and down went straight to those numbers and flat lined, so my assumption is the test server is not particularly set up for 1gbps speeds.
Ian Walker
try google's, same thing just type speedtest on google
Juan Miller
> BTFO > on suicide watch Your thread starts with shitposting cliches and that does not set anybody to a productive discussion. Sorry, I'll pass.
Oliver Richardson
Google servers depend on the time of day, i've seen it as high as 700mbps on both up and down. But usually it's around 300-500mbps. I assume because google servers have regular amounts of traffic and they're not set up for dedicated 1gbps testing.
Further, if I test to google fiber's speedtest servers I can get 800-900mbps+.