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THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
CPUs: >G4560/4600 - budget builds (R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5 >R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you too lazy to OC >i7-7700k - bad value but good for higher FPS; may have heat issues >R7/Xeon - compute/Multitask/mixed use >Threadripper/i9 soon
Graphics: >G4560 iGPU is fine for desktop stuff and very light game >1050/Ti for low budget. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted >RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz >RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games >1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA) >1070 - 1080p@90-144hz/1440p@100+hz >1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz. >1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings >Freesync2 & Vega soon
General: >READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Stop confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor >Go mATX form factor for cheaper board+case >1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs >Computex May 30th
Alright, I have this so far for a total of 714€, it just needs a GPU (I accounted roughly 80€ for the case). r8 pls
1) Could you guys recommend me a case that's easy to work with and has a lot of room? Few months prior for my own build I got a Fractale Mini one and while I like it the insides are cramped and I've had minor worries with it. This time I want to be sure to not have problems, it's fine if the case is ugly or isn't top notch since anyway AMD doesn't heat up much. 2) Second, I need a GPU for this and I'm not sure what to fit. RX 470, 480, 570 and 580 prices are COMPLETELY overpriced still (220€ minimum for any of these cards). Thanks.
Cameron Morales
You might as well buy a m.2 850 evo. Same price. Some 1060s are small, dunno about anything better than that
Brody Sanders
No idea about all the others but my Fractal Design Define R5 has quite a lot of room for cable management on an mATX board The holes are very convenient for cable management & there's a good amount of room for fans too
What country do you live in? A GTX 1060 6GB is a perfectly good alternative to an RX 480/580
Nicholas White
Get a 580 4GB or a 1060 6GB. Some are under $220
Josiah Campbell
>m.2 850 evo I don't know anything about m.2 drives - mind explaining me simply why it'd be a better choice than a SSD?
The R5 is over 100€ here though. I'm in France. Would a 1060 pair well with Ryzen though? Wouldn't it be smarter to get an AMD card?
4GB seems a bit weak though, in that case I'd rather get the 1060 yeah.
Anthony Howard
topachat.com/pages/detail2_cat_est_micro_puis_rubrique_est_w_kitevo_puis_ref_est_in10103859.html It's not 3200MHz RAM, but it's 70€ cheaper and the mobo is a lot better. The 3200MHz aren't really gonna benefit you unless you do CPU-hungry stuff or high framerate gaming, but even then you can instead get a $50 cooler, overclock and end up with more performances + better motherboard + money saved
Charles Martin
>I don't know anything about m.2 drives evidently, considering m.2 drives are exclusively SSDs
Xavier Davis
>Would a 1060 pair well with Ryzen though? Yes, it will.
>Wouldn't it be smarter to get an AMD card? Doesn't make much difference and you don't have much choice considering the price of 480/580 and the lack of stock thanks to bitcoin miners.
>I don't know anything about m.2 drives - mind explaining me simply why it'd be a better choice than a SSD? Priced & preform the same but are much smaller, go directly on the motherboard and do not require any cable.
Luke Lee
>The 3200MHz aren't really gonna benefit you no, it will due to how Ryzen is built, ram speed inherently affects the CCX speed of communicating with each other
Adam Howard
M.2 is just a different form factor for SSD, the benefit is that the NVMe slots are faster than SATA3.
Ryder Reyes
Ram speed directly affects how Ryzen performance in many things. Ryzen is made of 2 CPU Complexes, or CCXs as AMD calls them. Each CCX contains have the cores of the CPU, and they're connected by the infinity fabric between them to communicate. If a core from CCX 1 was to communicate with a core from CCX 2, it has to use the infinity fabric. The infinity fabric runs at whatever speed the ram is at. So Ryzen fucking LOVES fast ram and it does make BIG NOTICEABLE differences in the chip's performance.
Ram speed may not affect Intel chips all that much, but Ryzen chips cling to it like a lifeline.
Lucas Bennett
>Each CCX contains have the cores of the CPU *half the cores >was to communicate *wants to communicate
Goddamn I hate laptop chicklet keyboards.
Charles Cooper
I know that, but that's still gonna benefit you at all. You're gonna get what, 10% higher FPS when for some reason your GPU is not the bottleneck? 10% of 130 is 13 FPS, which you would gain anyway by buying a beefy cooler and overclocking, and which is pointless regardless because you have a 60hz screen It really won't do much because it's already a great CPU & overclocking will do more for cheaper.
It's not worth the 70€ at all, you could get an SSD or high end air cooler that will last you for the next 6 - 7 years with that money and allow for big overclocks.
Xavier Lee
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs So is 1 DR DIMM.
Single/Double Rank is not Single/Dual channel.
Sebastian Baker
SR means single rank The OP must probably means that one dual rank DIMM is still faster than two single rank one
1600X + RX580-1380Mhz-8GB or 7600K + GT1060G1-6GB for gaming? Would a 600W power supply with 90% efficiency rating be enough for either? How much ram would I need to make sure it's not a bottleneck? Is there a big difference between 2400 and 3000Mhz?
Blake Cox
No, it's just technology going forward, even if slightly.
Hunter Scott
>Would a 600W power supply with 90% efficiency rating be enough for either? Yes, with a very big room left.
>How much ram would I need to make sure it's not a bottleneck? 12 GB, because some AAAs will take a fuckton of RAM
>Is there a big difference between 2400 and 3000Mhz? For Ryzen, yes (the cpu becomes "stronger", the cores communicate faster between them) For Intel, yes but very slightly: it's not worth at all to even consider it.
>1600X + RX580-1380Mhz-8GB or 7600K + GT1060G1-6GB for gaming? The R5 1600 (doesn't even need to be X) is better than the 7600k because the 7600k has only 4 cores & 4 threads which isn't enough to run AAA games comfortable (very little room left & spikes to 100% usage causing fps dips, and that's in fresh windows install for bencharks with nothing running in the background). The R5 1600 in comparison has 6 cores & 12 threads, & has the same average but with naturally much much more room left.
Rx 580 & GTX 1060 are on average pretty much the same, but the 580 supports Freesync & gets much better gains in newer APIs than the GTX 1060 does (DX12 / Vulkan)
Anthony Rogers
logicalincrements pls go. GIGABYTE has the worst support in the industry.
Austin Scott
what is better: 4 sticks of 4GB, 2 sticks of 8GB or 1 stick of 16GB?
Matthew Hughes
2 of 8GB because upradeability, usually easier to overclock & no benefits for 4 sticks since consumer cpu stops at dual channel
William Jackson
2 of 8 or 1 of 16 if you will get another 16 in the near future
Blake Williams
also, what about uneven numbers/pairings: 3X4GB 2X4GB +1X8GB etc.
Benjamin Nelson
nvmd, i get the idea: two of the same is better.
thanks guys.
Bentley Gonzalez
Any glaring issues with this?
>Ryzen 1600@3,2 GHz The Thermaltake Contact Silent 12 Cooler seems decent, or maybe a LC Power LiCo liquid cooler if it will make much of a difference for moderate overclocking Asus B350M-A MB The B350M-Plus variant is only slightly more expensive but I don't really see anything extra I want. Kingston [email protected] The 3GHz is quite a bit cheaper; but ryzens like fast ram, right? RX580 ROG STRIX, 8GB Only 580 beside the basic one most suppliers in my country carry. Kingston 240GB SATA3 SSD or Samsung M.2 256GB (both are around 500Mb/s read and write) Does it make much of a difference if read/write speed are withing 20Mb/s? Toshiba 2TB HDD, 7200rpm, 64MB Seems okay. Coolermaster 600W@85% Thermaltake Versa 2 Case
Haven't bought a computer since 2006, so I have no clue what the fuck I'm doing - sorry if I'm asking about inane stuff.
Hudson Jones
>Asus B350M-A Change that. It doesn't have a VRM Heatsink
Gavin Sullivan
>7600k has only 4 cores & 4 threads which isn't enough to run AAA games comfortable Simply fucking wrong. Even the G4560 will run most games comfortably.
Not that the i5 is a smart purchase, but to claim that it won't run games well is retarded.
Jackson Garcia
The b350m-a can't do above even 2400MHz right now on the latest bios update. On the previous one i could reach 2900 on two sticks though (two 2600MHz CAS 16 ones), but no idea if you'll be able to reach 3200MHz on the next bios updates (you should)
>The B350M-Plus variant is only slightly more expensive but I don't really see anything extra I want. The plus would be better at overclocking because of better VRMs & an heatsink on it, considering both the chipset & CPU are unlocked that's something to take into consideration
>The 3GHz is quite a bit cheaper; but ryzens like fast ram, right? Indeed, but it doesn't mean you should spend money on it. Your screen is most likely a 60hz screen anyway so it will most likely make no difference to you, unless you do productivity stuff or something.
>Does it make much of a difference if read/write speed are withing 20Mb/s? Not at all
Looks good to me
Jayden Price
What about: >Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 or 1 or >AB350M-Gaming 3 or >Asus B350-Plus All those seem to have it, not sure though.
Juan Edwards
I didn't say it wouldn't run them well, i said it wouldn't run them comfortably. Getting at very very high CPU usage is everything but comfortable.
Jose James
>Change that. It doesn't have a VRM Heatsink I got that motherboard (was on a very tight budget & had to buy at launch), can i just buy random heatsinks off amazon and slap them on the VRMs?
Kevin Cox
>perform the same
Ethan Butler
Those are all good. just make sure you grab one of them with 4 ram slots
Robert Miller
>buying am4 anus boards even with literally everyone saying not to kys
David Rivera
what the fuck is up with AMD GPU pricing now
Isaac Ramirez
why is AMD so much better in dx12/vulcan titles? is it nvidias drivers?
Another site says that the VX297H has identical refresh rates to the other one.
Jordan Cox
Both will play most games at 60 fps then. You want a 60hz monitor for that. eeny meany miny mo. look at the features between them to find the better deal. Bonus points for Free-Sync or G-Sync. FreeSync is for AMD Radeon graphics cards and G-Sync is for Nvidia cards
Adam Watson
Waiting for Vega.....
... Want to get rid of my 390
Isaac Foster
Do I need a headphone amp if I plan on plugging some 32ohm headphones directly into a medium/high-medium range motherboard?
Jackson King
I suspected as much, it's just that the 27" one being the same price as the 25" one threw me for a loop. Thanks man.
Bentley Rogers
But it does run them comfortably. You're blinded by fainboyism
Joseph Baker
no. An i7 with its 8 threads will run them comfortably. The i5 will not. 4 cores and 4 threads was good 6 years ago. It's not 2011 anymore user.
Jonathan Carter
Just get a cheap korean Freesync 120hz monitor
Isaiah Jackson
Stupid question: what's the deal with everyone harping on about single-core performance being the by far most important aspect for gaming?
Nathaniel Wright
I hope you're still here. i'm the guy who made the build, if you have any questions i'll try to answer them.
Carter Adams
because according to them, games can't use more than 1 core/ 2 core/ 4 core
Luis Sullivan
On a related note: do dedicated sound-cards act as headphone amps in some capacity? Is that a stupid option if you got decent on-board audio?
Matthew Baker
Probably not.
Christopher Diaz
The release of Ryzen does not make i5s suddenly not run games well. i5s were mid range 3 months ago, and they still are.
Gaming performance is a mix of single and multithreaded performance. Not solely one or the other, although multithreaded performance is starting to matter more. Still no reason to buy an FX 8350 today, because the single threaded performance is bad enough to hamper the CPU.
Anthony Morris
Some sound cards have amplifiers included. Not all do.
If you don't know why you would need a sound card, you don't need one. Almost everyone is good with just onboard.
Luke Jenkins
single core performance is generally what you need for web browsing with multiple threads for different processes like running youtube videos. Single-thread performance make 0 difference in gaming since gaming is all multi-core multi-thread performance. Which is where Ryzen excels. The reason for i5's and i7's getting better FPS numbers in games is poor optimization for Ryzen CPUs. Look at comparison videos and yoy generally see the 6 and 8 core Ryzen chips never go above 60% CPU usage in games while i5's , and to a lesser extent, i7's will hit 100% usage spikes. The fact Ryzen can keep up with them at all with such poor optimization is a testament to how much computing horsepower they have. Ryzen has a LOT more to offer and as soon as optimization patches are released, don't be surprised to see a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600 blow away an Intel Core i7 7700K in FPS performance.
>The release of Ryzen does not make i5s suddenly not run games well. i5s were mid range 3 months ago, and they still are. Never said they were no longer mid-range, but Ryzen 5 really did make the i5 chips obsolete and irrelevant.
Nathaniel Wilson
Gonna build a nice little HTPC with the Biostar B350 meme ITX and eventual Ryzen 3.
Why is every mITX case built for stupid gamers who want to stick 360 radiators and 3 foot long GPUs in these?
Nathan Walker
avoid the Biostar and wait for an actual decent itx AM4 board.
Anthony Carter
Noted, going to have to wait anyways.
Nicholas Lee
The AMD Just Wait™ product line sure is becoming diverse.
Brody Wood
>Single-thread performance make 0 difference in gaming since gaming is all multi-core multi-thread performance. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IS THIS NIGGER SERIOUS? No really, how much is AMD paying you? This is the most blatant piece of disinfo I've ever read in these threads. Gaming is almost exclusively single-core performance based, with VERY few titles ever making use of more than two cores and even less of those doing it well enough to see a real benefit. Video games are SHIT TIER when it comes to software optimization.
Evan Roberts
Can someone recommend me a good board with a LGA1150 socket for my i5 4670.
I have some spares lying around and I want to build a PC to use as a server.
Jordan Peterson
B-but muh CPU utilisation
Cooper Phillips
>with VERY few titles ever making use of more than two cores You were very right in that what he said was blatant disinfo but holy shit you just had to ruin your comment by dropping something just as retarded did you?
Joseph Cook
>Check Fractal Design website for new shit >See this For fuck's sake.
Gabriel Richardson
Reminder prebuilts are better than custom built on a price to performance ratio
Noah Reed
How good is the p400 case? The reviews I have seen on it seem to vary a lot
Parker Sanders
What the hell is a "server" to you?
Brody Mitchell
did they get a new intern or something what the fuck is that
Christian Richardson
I will use it as a seedbox in my house
Thomas Green
That shit costs about 60% more custom, 70% more pre-built in my country
Nathan Wilson
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Gavin Lee
get fucked europoor
Joshua Perry
>stupid LED crap everywhere >off-brand liquid cooler >2400MHz RAM >400W fucking PSU >64GB SSD >oh fuck we need to pad this table out lets list things that are actually part of the motherboard like "3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard" and "LAN" >offbrand keyboard >offbrand mouse
