>in 1990s >computers couldn't display Kanji, could display only alphabets >Japan developed own computers (PC-98) that can display Kanji >PC-98 computers were expensive as fuck, but people bought it. >After that, the rest of the world started to use computers (PC/AT computers) more and more, and price went down >Finally, PC/AT computers could deal with Kanji by technology increasing >People switched to PC/AT computers >Japan market got conquered by other nations
>in 2000s >phones couldn't deal with the internet. Only telephone calls and SMS >Japan developed own phones that can send E-mails and can deal with simple internet websites >These phones were expensive as fuck, but people bought it. >After that, the rest of the world (Apple) invented iPhone which is much superior than Japanese phones. >Finally, it was sold in Japan, and people switched to iPhone / Androids. >Japan market got conquered by other nations
How many times do we have to do this? Why is Japan conquered by other nations in the end as always?
i remember being in japan around 2005 when smartphone weren't a thing, and man your phones were nice
Jose Phillips
Japan always achieves success in middle term, but finally lost in the end.
Colton Nelson
>your phones were nice Yes. Good things about Japan are always mentioned in past terms.
Luis Adams
Maybe Japanese CEOs don't like to change anything that is already a success and rarely want to invest in innovation.
Charles Mitchell
Same
Nolan Morgan
Surely there is something Japan is doing right? Owning Sup Forums for example.
Ethan Moore
That's true. And the biggest problem is that Japan doesn't learn these failures, and keeps doing the same thing.
Ryder Johnson
If our manufacturing are becoming bad again and again,Japan would still be better than Korea.So we dont need worrying.Korean are mental pillar for us.
Benjamin Evans
Japan innovates a lot then completely stops advancing
Mason Nelson
Right now, car industry goes well, but I'm sure that it will be conquered within my life time. We always lost at the end.
Cameron Harris
>NEC kept much of its hardware and platform proprietary or under license, so while it had a virtual monopoly in the Japanese market, later IBM PC clones with DOS/V and Windows from companies such as Hitachi and Panasonic that did not require such license fees (like Epson's 98 clones) flooded the market and displaced NEC. The proprietary technology that was NEC's strength turned into its weakness as its competitors could use off-the-shelf technology to build cheaper IBM PC clones at a time when NEC was charging much steeper prices for its PC-98s.
Because you retards always forget that the rest of the world exists so you never bother exporting your innovations.
Jacob Jones
Seemed to stop when the bubble burst in the mid-90s.
South Korea is getting pretty good at making cars..
Landon Johnson
You sre still at the frontline of neckbeardism and hold the hopes and dreams of all weebs in the world. Don't give up hope nihon-san. I still want to see tower of god animated.
Nicholas Young
Japan still uses flip phones or its just a meme?
Isaac Carter
Man, I used to go crazy over Jap phones 10-12 years ago.
Julian Jenkins
>I have no job and speak like an economist
Caleb Howard
fucking metallurgy industry mate, best steel in the world, not even meming.
Carter Lewis
Why only colored countries get these sagas of euphoria?
Charles Powell
IDK about that. Last time I checked, their most popular manga was a straight superhero comic you'd expect from Marvel, except with ugly cartoony black and white art
Carter Ross
BnHA is great
Dominic Wilson
Please speak to Japanese CEOs. They always get satisfied in domestic Japan market, and don't want to do innovation to fit the world markets.
Yes. Also, they make good electrics. Our electrics market got a big damage by them, because Japan didn't do innovations.
Michael Jackson
>folded over a thousand times
Parker Walker
The CEO of Softbank got mad that Apple beat him to the punch of making a phone like the iPhone years ago.
Jacob Bennett
not even meming
Ian White
It's because Japan NEVER EVER looks beyond its own borders (except for cars, for some reason).
Their society is very close minded and poorly integrated into the global community as a whole
Hopefully the olympics in 2020 will put more pressure on japan to internationalize.
Christopher Ward
Most of Anime are not created in Japan nowadays. Japan does outsourcing it to other nations where people work at low wage. This means we are getting lost the anime creating technology.
Anthony Hall
Cheer up buddy, go to sleep tonight knowing that Japan has been, is, and always will be; the undisputed masters and conquerors of tentacle porn. That is something no other country will ever be able to out-compete you in.
Hudson Davis
allah snakbar that tokyo bullshit.
Noah Cook
It didn't make me wanna punch the protagonist in the face for being an asshole. That's an accomplishmet these days.
Lucas Brooks
>That's an accomplishmet these days basically.
Joseph Mitchell
>more pressure on japan to internationalize
t. (((user)))
Kayden Gray
Even real economists are retarded
t. Takaaki Mitsuhashi
Ian Young
In order to integrate ourselves to the global community, we need to speak English. We DO learn English from the first grade of middle school, but we suck at it. Please understand we already put efforts to fit ourselves to the world, but we fail it always.
Leo Ward
when i watch all my animes i always notice lots of korean names in the credits. i think they are doing most of the animating nowadays. they animate most american cartoons as well.
Wyatt Hall
Meh, it ain't the most popular thing, though it certainly is big. Judging from what I saw when I was over there, I'd have to say that Baki, Golgo 13, and any of those manga by the dog manga guy are the biggest thing. Books of those were sold wherever items (train stations, convenience stores) were sold, and volumes were often in restaurants to read. Especially Baki. I'm honestly shocked they weren't in vending machines.
Nathan Ward
>We DO learn English from the first grade of middle school, but we suck at it. you have bad english teaching program, if I am correct, the case is writing system, which sucks major ass.
Juan Smith
though i am jewish i don't mean internationalize by importing shitskins i mean internationalize by interacting more with foreign experts, scientists, and populations, etc in an effort to understand that different paradigms exist and that intellectual Autarky for japan is impossible
I think it's because English is taught in Japan as a means, not as an end, but for many people (ie those who are not going into an internationally minded field) the "end" of english doesn't exist, so they put no effort into learning it. The only people who bother learning it well are those who are going to take english tests, but then they learn all the structure but with no substance behind it.
For example, when I visited Europe, people from all kinds of countries, even smaller ones like Finland or Czech Republic, there were always people who could speak pretty much fluent English, but of the videos I've seen of Japan many Japanese even in Toyko cannot even give simple directions in English.
However, because of Japan's isolationist policies, and the low amount of foreigners in the country, it's unlikely that this paradigm will naturally shift, it needs to be enforced from the inside, and only then can Japan return to its glory days of the 70s and 80s
Carson Jackson
You might already notice it, but Chinese names are getting appeared in the credits which are replacing Korean names. They are chose because they work at lower wage than us, so they are being replaced by Chinese.
Adam Martin
>though i am jewish
G-GUYS! I CAUGHT ONE, LOOK!
Luis Collins
That's true. I'd agree with your opinion related with our English teaching program, but I don't agree with the last paragraph. If Japan starts to import immigrants like the other nations do, our wage get fucked because immigrants work at lower wage. Japanese young generation is being suffered at low wage always, so immigrants would make the situation even worse. Young people can't have their kids, because of the low wage. We should rise their wage first before importing immigrants.
Noah Taylor
Learning languages through classroom studying is really ineffective if you never deal with the language outside classroom. The Dutch and the Nordicks are fairly good at English because we don't dub American/British films or series and all our video games are in English. Also learning roman alphabets through English is a bitch since the language isn't written phonetically.
Dylan Wood
Japan would rule the world if they thought there's anything of value outside Japan.
Japan is like Tang China who would have ruled the world if they had thought there's anything of value outside China.
This gives insight into how the Oriental mind works!
Connor Cook
You misunderstood, I don't think Japan should make it easier to immigrate (with the possible exception of highly skilled workers, such as engineers or scientists).
I meant that, because there are few foreigners in the country, it is unlikely that the average japanese citizen will make an effort to learn english since it is very unlikely they will ever have to use it. However, learning a foreign language doesn't just have conversational and career uses, it offers you access to a whole other huge part of media (foreign newspapers, websites, etc) which expand your worldview and allow you to think more internationally.
Actually, Canada has the same problem right now, many young people cannot find work but thanks to """based"" Stephen Harper and his Temporary Foreign Worker program there are throngs of flips and chinks here taking jobs that local youth could have otherwise
Jaxson Ortiz
Seems you overrate Japan. We don't/didn't have powers to rule outside of Japan. Only America can do it.
Okay. I now understand your point. Learning English allows us to think things internationally. In order to achieve it, we need to change our mind as the first step, because most of us believe that we can access all information with Japanese only, besides lots of information are written in English only. It's tough for us to change the mind, because we're brainwashed in that way. We believe all worth information are already translated into Japanese, so we don't put efforts to read English articles usually. It's hard to find the motivation to access information written by English.
Aaron Myers
>The Dutch and the Nordicks are fairly good at English because we don't dub American/British films or series and all our video games are in English. Yeah, they are pretty good at speaking English. but.. I think all Europeans can speak better English than Japanese do. Do you think this is true? You guys often make fun of French because they can't into English, but I believe their English is much better than us.
Juan Nguyen
t. Goldstein
Ryan Rogers
there are ways to internationalize other than by importing foreigners but of course you wouldn't know that, since inviting shitkins by the boatload is how america got started on internationalization in the first place
Gabriel Sanchez
>japanese phones only used nokias before smartphones
Landon Johnson
>Tfw we used to be the guys for steel in ancient.
>Romans and Persians called it the greatest steel ever produced and called us magicians of metal
>Then the muzzies and brits rolled in and shit on everything
Grayson Stewart
>WE WAZ RAJAS AN SHIT fuck off pajeet, the brits are long gone but it looks like you still can't stop shitting all over your own country
Joseph Thompson
I thought the PC-98 came out in the 80s.
Cooper Morgan
We aren't good at making software. It's an era of software now.
Jason Diaz
I dont know this feel.
Christian Richardson
The English language is overrated, as most of what's useful will be translated in Japanese. English is only useful for small countries (10 million people) who have an irrelevant, tiny cultural market, and must bandwagon USA instead.
Japan will lose its soul if it becomes another English-speaking colony, Japan will also lose its cultural appeal which is entirely based on its authenticity and its "otherness" (not being well integrated in the global market, and only caring about yourself).
Regarding technology, Japan should care about the international competition and international needs, but that doesn't mean the average Japanese has to become a bland, unoriginal "global citizen" who cares more about America than about his own country.
Aiden Martinez
My best guess (Keyword: guess) would be complacency and a possible unwillingness to share, develop and refine the technology.
Connor Gray
>The English language is overrated >English is only useful for small countries (10 million people) who have an irrelevant, tiny cultural market t. poster on english message board in english
Adam Brown
>said the frog as he posted on an American imageboard in English
Kayden Stewart
This is a Japanese message board.
And the fact you dismiss so easily my English post proves my point: my opinion is not useful, thus it will not be translated to Japanese.
English is optimal to lose your time on Sup Forums, or with vapid American entertainment; but it's almost worth nothing for serious people who get things done. When needed, they hire a translator and that's it.
Think about all the fucking losers who speak perfect English here, while those who make serious money in France, Japan or elsewhere often ignore English (except those who work in finance).
Jordan Bell
>be me >use the English language to say that what's written in English is just shit >answer: "BAHAHAHA YOUR OPINION IS JUST SHIT"
See the pattern?
Isaac Bailey
>This is a japanese message board
Objectively not true. It's an English speaking message board that is owned by someone who is Japanese.
Juan Baker
It's centered around Japanese culture though, and it has a Japanese name.
Bentley Allen
>This is a Japanese message board. This is an English-language Japanese message board.
And "serious money" doesn't really describe the Japanese economy right now. I mean obviously there are some rich fucks but meanwhile happens, Sony is dying, Honda and Toyota are the only bright spots.
Speaking of which:guess what Honda changed its official corporate language to? Maybe if they had learned English earlier instead of listening to what their hired toadies and yes-men tell them the foreigners want and need they'd have been able to hear the 'losers' squawking about how the Emperor was naked.
Levi Thomas
at least you're not finland
Kayden King
>it's centred around japanese culture though.
Very loosely nowadays, Sup Forums being one of the least Japanese boards.
Soft (cultural) power != political or economic influence, most jap brands are dead or dying besides cars nowadays. They still use fax in Japan for Christ's sake they need to adapt or die.
Connor Cox
>All the above >Superior to the Japanese Fax Machine that's also a onahole.
Entry level af senpai.
James Lopez
By the way:
Recently (around 2006) the book Shattered Sword was released, which completely changed how the Battle of Midway was understood, by drawing from Japanese sources.
Except it wasn't that revolutionary to the Japanese obviously, as I can remember a letter written by a retired Japanese naval officer several years before the book was finished, pointing out how some of the 'facts' about Midway were wrong.
So you're right, it did (eventually) get translated... after 65 years.
I don't know much about successful people but I don't think they sit on their ass and wait for other people to do their work for them, eventually. They're the ones who go out and do the work, get their name on it and hoard the glory and the money. And if they know two languages (or preferably ten or twelve) that gives them a massive advantage.
Also, I don't know how things are in France, but anglo historical scholarship is kind of woeful. It's basically a bunch of people parroting the same memes until someone shows up with evidence that proves they were completely wrong, which was usually sitting in plain sight in the Bundesarchiv or somewhere. Foreign history like Japanese has one or two 'experts' who print books full of 'new' and 'revolutionary' insights while people lick at their feet like retards on Sup Forums begging for subs.
Jaxson Rivera
But finland is a meme superpower. Can you say the same, Latvia?
:^)
Aaron Moore
Things are not as simple as "switch corporate language to English --> problems solved".
Read "Language management" by Bernard Spolsky, for interesting insights on corporate multilingualism.
The biggest capitalisations in the Japanese stock market aren't all car companies. And see the best performers of the Nikkei 225: no car companies, but Casio, Konami, TDK, Fujifilm, etc.
But does Finland have the widest waterfall in Europe?
Caleb Thomas
I'm a historian so I can tell you it is expected for a French historian to know French, English, Italian, German, and maybe Spanish.
But actually, we do most things in French only, and blissfully ignore the rest of the world while circlejerking and parroting our memes, indeed.
Regarding successful people in France, such as your top lawyer, real estate developer, independent CEO... who make several millions per year, they do everything in French and usually speak English like a Neanderthal.
The reason is that the French market is big enough for them to be surrounded by French people (clients, employees, etc.) all day, so they forget all their eventual English skills. And when the odd English translation is needed, they pay people for this.
Personally, I only use English to waste my life on Sup Forums (a website I fucking hate). For all the rest, French is enough. And I'm educated, rich, etc.