Zhaoxin Shanghai to launch a 16nm x86 CPU in 2018

>Zhaoxin Shanghai to launch a 16nm x86 CPU in 2018
>8 cores / 16 threads
>Compatible with x86 32/64 instructions, supporting extended SSE4.2/AVX/AVX2 instructions
AMD and INTEL BTFO.

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wow from backdoor to frontdoor, welldone NSA

Whoa...
So this ..
Is the power of ...

windows 10 is the frontdoor

this chip is just a chinese backdoor, which is probably preferable than a CIA backdoor because Chyna doesn't really give a fuck about you unlike CIA

As long as it has the single-core performance of an amd fx at the very least, I'd buy one.

This is a very bad thing for AMD. Please do not buy this if you care about the future of desktop computing.

If it's bad for anyone, it's Intel.

Only freetards will buy this.

>x64 compatible
>amd patent
How?

China.

True freedom.

You clearly underestimate the retardedness of Intel buyers. If Intel releases shit in a box they will still pay $400 for it, like what they're already doing with the 7600K.

Cant enforce patents in china

>there are people on Sup Forums right now who buy or don't buy based on brand logos
ha ha ha oh wow

I'm buying because it doesn't have a brand logo.

>chinese backdoor instead of nsa backdoor
DELET

>Zhaoxin Shanghai

>yfw you run REACT OS on it
>yfw you are running a reverse engineered operating system on a reverse engineered chip in 2018
>yfw in 2018 the fucking x86 x64 isa and intel silicon design and fab process has been successfully been clean sheet reimplemented but windows 2000 has not......

It'd be funny if AMD OK'd this just so intel would have more competition to drive prices down

>but windows 2000 has not......

Wine can do everything Win2k can at this point.

It's not like they have a choice, unless they threaten to invade China.

>en.wikichip.org/wiki/zhaoxin
>Founder VIA Technologies
>Zhaoxin x86 ISA license statues is unknown although VIA has a cross-license agreement for x86 with Intel until at least 2018 (as ruled by the 2010 FTC order).

And the AMD64 and AVX instructions? Not in the same deal.

I AM an "Intel buyer". Intel CPUs of that size are way more expensive to manufacture than either AMD or this Chinese shit. These guys could sell their CPUs for peanuts which means zero margins for Intel.

Finally a cpu without CIA backdoors
We just need to suck Chang's dick instead

Surely its just a convenience to license from Intel now? Patent expiry date is 1997 so MMX should be free, pretty sure the x64 extensions were intentionally left open by AMD.

Are there specific no-gos or are they just avoiding incremental feature loss like noexec or VM extensions?

will probably end up in chinese tablets/nettops
but i've used a couple VIA desktop cpus before (many years ago, mind you) and have been pretty underwhelmed, so i won't get my hopes up

is it hardware backdoored too? whats the tdp?

Thank you based Chinaman for freeing us from the jew and the pajeet

Holy shit nice! A new CPU vendor that isn't intel or AMD, I'm glad to see this. Competition is good for everyone.

>new
anyway your post is half redundant, obviously a "new" cpu manufacturer wouldn't be intel or amd.

Most likely you are not getting better hardware than what intel/amd can provide. The news in that chinese companies are catching up really fast with them.

We're entering a new era or ricing

is there any information about what socket this uses? what motherboards would it work with?

™

of course and thats fine, im still curious about any remote management.

Also you people need to stop/ saying retarded shit

>pretty sure the x64 extensions were intentionally left open by AMD.
They werent. AMD used x64 to force Intel to license a bunch of stuff like the MMX and other SIMD instructions to them. It is why their 3DNow extensions died.

all their current CPUs are BGA (not socketed), and they make their own chipsets as well

Having all the manufacturing done in a single country

you guys are talking about licensing issues as if they aren't already making x86 cpus
the news here is the move to 16nm, not them starting to make x86 cpus

pic related, a couple of their current cpus

>FSB
>2017

They don't use IMC's?

>can't find info in manufacturer's official website
>call other people retards
hint:
en.zhaoxin.com/ZXC.aspx?seriesid=5
for the ZX-E you will have to wait until they can actually make a working sample.

>8 core
>cache 4MB
cachelets

How powerful is this vs the Jew/Pajeet equivalent?

Lenovo "Zhaoyang" CF03 powered by KaiXian ZX-C C4600 2.0GHz

info: wanhuajing.com/d636784
cpu specs: en.zhaoxin.com/ZXC.aspx?seriesid=3

So, prepare your [s]anus[/s] wallet.

Apple btfo.

>wanhuajing.com/d636784
No L3, DDR3 ram

Fail.

gaymer?

C for cheap chink cpu.

>8 core chinese cpu
>35W
>intel 8 core
>140W

So now both NSA and MSS get to see my porn?

Are they intended for the international market?

This says they use ECC cache ....?

First i have heard of ECC cache. Who else does this ?

>First i have heard of ECC cache. Who else does this ?
Intel, probably everyone.

according to wikipedia it's not so uncommon:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory#Cache

How many patents does this infringe on?

My guess is so many that it is only viable for domestic use.

confirmed AVX/2 instruction sets

>how ?

>Welcome back CYRIX

>welcome back shitx
Fixed.

Look at the clock speed though.

core chinese cpu
W
>>intel 8 core
W
ark.intel.com/products/91200/Intel-Xeon-Processor-D-1539-12M-Cache-1_60-GHz

And the Xeon-d has far better IPC than the chinkshit chip.

>Recommended Customer Price $590.00

>bus speed 333mhz
Oh fuck boys, 2007 all over again.

If it has fully working vt-x, I'm buying the shit out of one.

Cryrix was better than both Intel and AMD at the time.

They do. You obviously don't know what commies are

>at the time
That's an interesting way to write "never".

>28nm
What year we in?

1991

CHINKS BTFO'D

the vast majority of intel buyers buy them not because they choose intel, but because the laptop they bought has an intel inside

>Maximum frequency of frequency: NO
Sorry I really need to have the maximum frequency of frequency

it was just a google translation

16nm in 2018.

we 7nm nao nigga

>release price $???

>7nm
in 2018

>not using 3nm subterrainean technology

> If Intel releases shit in a box they will still pay $400 for it.
So just like AMDfags with FX?

TSMC, Samsung, and GloFo are ramping up their differing 7nm processes now. They'll have risk production at end of the year.

Because the 6x86 was more efficient on an instructions-per-cycle basis than Intel's Pentium, and because Cyrix sometimes used a faster bus speed than either Intel or AMD, Cyrix and competitor AMD co-developed the controversial PR system in an effort to compare its products more favorably with Intel's. Since a 6x86 running at 133MHz generally benchmarked slightly faster than a Pentium running at 166MHz, the 133MHz 6x86 was marketed as the 6x86-P166+. Legal action from Intel, who objected to the use of the strings "P166" and "P200" in non-Pentium products, led to Cyrix adding the letter "R" to its names.

Unlike AMD, Cyrix had never manufactured or sold Intel designs under a negotiated license. Cyrix's designs were the result of meticulous in-house reverse engineering and often made significant advances in the technology while still being socket compatible with Intel's products. In Cyrix's first product, the 8087 math co-processor, Cyrix used hardware math multipliers rather than the CORDIC algorithm, which allowed the chip to be faster and more accurate than Intel's co-processor. Thus, while AMD's 386s and even 486s had some Intel-written microcode software, Cyrix's designs were completely independent. Focused on removing potential competitors, Intel spent many years in legal battles with Cyrix, consuming Cyrix financial resources, claiming that the Cyrix 486 violated Intel's patents, when in reality the design was proven independent.
Intel lost the Cyrix case, which included multiple lawsuits in both federal and state courts in Texas. Some of the matters were settled out of court and some of the matters were settled by the Court. In the end after all appeals, the courts ruled that Cyrix had the right to produce their own x86 designs in any foundry that held an Intel license. Cyrix was found to never have infringed any patent held by Intel. Intel feared having to face the antitrust claims made by Cyrix, so Intel paid Cyrix $12 million to settle the antitrust claims right before a federal jury in Sherman, Texas was to hear and rule on the antitrust claims. As a part of the settlement of the antitrust claims against Intel, Cyrix also received a license to some of the patents that Intel had asserted that Cyrix infringed. Cyrix was free to have their products manufactured by any manufacturer that had a cross license with Intel, which included SGS Thomson, IBM and others.

The follow-on 1997 Cyrix-Intel litigation was the reverse: instead of Intel claiming that Cyrix 486 chips violated their patents, now Cyrix claimed that Intel's Pentium Pro and Pentium II violated Cyrix patents—in particular, power management and register renaming techniques. The case was expected to drag on for years but was settled quite promptly, by another mutual cross-license agreement. Intel and Cyrix now had full and free access to each other's patents. The settlement didn't say whether the Pentium Pro violated Cyrix patents or not; it simply allows Intel to carry on making products under a license from Cyrix.

Which cpu did they copy if off of?

its really sad what happened to cyrix.
>In August 1997, while the litigation was still in progress, Cyrix merged with National Semiconductor (who also already held an Intel cross-license).
>The merger also resulted in a change of emphasis: National Semiconductor's priority was single-chip budget devices like the MediaGX, rather than higher performance chips like the 6x86 and MII. Whether National Semiconductor doubted Cyrix's ability to produce high-performance chips or feared competing with Intel at the high end of the market is open to debate. The MediaGX, with no direct competition in the marketplace and with continual pressure on OEMs to release lower-cost PCs, looked like the safer bet.
>National Semiconductor distanced itself from the CPU market, and without direction, the Cyrix engineers left one by one. By the time National Semiconductor sold Cyrix to VIA Technologies, the design team was no more and the market for the MII had disappeared. VIA used the Cyrix name on a chip designed by Centaur Technology, since VIA believed Cyrix had better name recognition than Centaur, or possibly even VIA.
>Cyrix's failure is described by Glenn Henry CEO of Centaur Technology as "Cyrix had a good product, but they got bought by a 'big smokestack' company and they got bloated. When Via bought Cyrix, they had 400, and we had 60, and we were turning out more product."[2]
>National Semiconductor retained the MediaGX design for a few more years, renaming it the Geode and hoping to sell it as an integrated processor. They sold the Geode to AMD in 2003.
they didn't get defeated in the market.... they were very competive against both intel and amd. they got cannibalized after they got bought out by national semiconductor.

Why is x86 such a horror show of broken dreams?

>AMD
>$400

Spotted the butthurt Inteldrone, go buy a 1700 faggot.

>Compatible with x86 32/64 instructions, supporting extended SSE4.2/AVX/AVX2 instructions

Current VIA CPUs already support all that, it is not new. But AVX2/AVX is just there for compatibility, it actualyl worsens performance (for example in x265).

The IPC of current VIA core (28nm) is between Silvermont Atom and AMD Jaguar.

What these 16nm SoCs will bring is rise of the low 2,0GHz frequency, so realistically +50% singlethread performance.

Also they are now finally getting rid of the FSB and memory controller/iGPU outside of CPU. Finally.

In the big picture, this thing will only compete in the lowend and will likely still have bad performance/Watt ratio. Also bad iGPU.

Nobody really needs to fear Zhaoxin - the only harm it can do is by taking some sales on the basis of being chinese, for example in communist insitutions, schools, etc.

>16nm
How did they do that
There aren't any 16nm fabs in mainland China
There are plenty in Taiwan though

Zhaoxin is not a reverse engineered core. It is basicalyl continuation of VIA line of CPUs, which have cores designed by Centaur Technology, from USA. The company goes back to the 1990s x86 CPU market, they were providing the architecture for IDT WinChip. (and then VIA C3, C7, Nano)

>8 cores / 16 threads
Where did you find that they have SMT? That was not announced, it will still be 1core=1thread.

if the price is right they can take a good chunk of the low end market. who wouldnt buy a 8 core for under 100 bucks. in general this might be really good even for the people who wont buy them since it broadens the share of people with multi core systems even further(something intel has never done) and get better multi core performance for programms.

They are switching to IMC now, in ZX-D architecture, fucking finally. 16nm will be ZX-E.
Currently, they only have ZX-C on the market, 28nm FSB based.

ECC cache is norm, must for modern CPU. Appeared circa mid-1990s.

Only some ARM cores don't use ECC to save power. Pretty bad idea IMHO.

Cant wait to get a bunch of ebay prebuilts in for repair with this chink shit in.

Its bad enough with stripped mobos/psus that flood that market.

VIA abandoned all the Cyrix technology, they switched to CPU cores by Centaur/IDT which they also bought. It was a shame, maybe Cyrix could continue if somebody better bought it.

freetard here. why do i want chinese cpu?

Because they don't understand secure platform computing yet

You don't.
Stallman used chinese laptop at some point. But it was MIPS/Loongson. Also no good reason.

And the FSB

BUY INTEL

>oi vey, delet

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