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Second for I'm really not looking forward to updating debian servers next week.
Evan Hall
I don't think anyone serious would update any machine not even mentioning production servers within a month of release change.
John Gomez
i want to lick stallman's feet
Juan Rogers
Wizards assemble !
Advanced users of GNU/Linux (and I mean advanced), remember to try Source Mage GNU/Linux. True source-based distribution, and (in contrast with Gentoo and Arch) is: Free from obfuscated and pre-configured code. Fully committed to GPL, uses only free software (as in freedom) in their main package. With even the documentation licensed as FDL. Without 3rd party patches, sensible defaults or masked packages. Doesn't need obfuscated python libraries, only bash. Uses clean dependencies as they came from upstream developers, which by the same provides instant updates. Can heal broken installs. Can also use flags.
Do you like Arch Linux's AUR? Do you like Gentoo's portage (or ports-like) package manager? With SMGL's "sorcery" you get all that. Making new spells (packages) not found in the grimoire (repository) is easy sourcemage.org/Spell/Book
What the actual fuck? $ pacman -Qi firefox Name : firefox Version : 54.0-1 ... Depends On : gtk3 gtk2 mozilla-common libxt startup-notification mime-types dbus-glib alsa-lib ffmpeg nss hunspell sqlite ttf-font libpulse icu libvpx Optional Deps : networkmanager: Location detection via available WiFi networks libnotify: Notification integration [installed] pulseaudio: Audio support speech-dispatcher: Text-to-Speech ...
>Optional Deps >pulseaudio: Audio support
Nathaniel Jones
Sounds like some pretty deep lore.
alias avardakedavra=killall
Michael Bell
What exactly confuses you?
Jordan Evans
kek, I use magic words as aliases too
Andrew Taylor
Old news senpai. Feel free to maintain and update firecucks alsa backend if you don't want pa. News flash, nobody is doing it, hence the pa dependency
Nathan Ward
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Elijah Clark
>networkmanager: Location detection via available WiFi networks
Andrew Sanchez
>alias is longer than the aliased confirmed for retard
Jaxon Allen
>missing the point confirmed for brainlet
Anthony Mitchell
Is there any way to make chromium more compact or is completely locked-the-fuck-down?
Why on earth does every UI element have to be so massive?
Dylan Clark
>chromium botnet, remove asap
Hudson Long
Is there better linux distro for "casuals" :^), writers, poets and musicans than xubuntu? I don't play games and other shit.
Also >cool software for writing >cool software for listening to music >cool software for recording music
Samuel Cook
deepin
Jose Martinez
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Henry Martin
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Matthew Ortiz
hey /fglt/ wanna hear a joke
Julian Young
>rms as "Richard Stallman" on jewgle+ seems legit
John Fisher
Way to chase off potential users with a pedantic wall of text full with niche jargon.
Sebastian Thompson
There's really no point in jumping between distros unless you care how the distro is configured/maintained
Can't really recommend anything for the software For writing you're probably better off with web applications There's a shitton of different music players to choose from depending on your needs and preferences Dunno about recording music, you're better off asking somewhere else
Brandon Miller
>FLOSS >Free/Libre... I love how he didn't even want to write the next words.
Joseph Davis
Why did this happen? >News flash, nobody is doing it, hence the pa dependency Why?
Mason Rodriguez
>All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
>An Android-based personal computer system jesus christ why
Henry Davis
cd Why did you get a divorce? bash: cd: too many arguments
Nicholas White
Because we can.
Charles Green
because gnu+linux is a long story of failures? because android is actually usable, ergonomic, well maintained, safe, is part of an existing market, has professional quality apps and not one or two random apps made by amateurs, offer an unified ecosystem between your desktop and your mobile?
Henry Green
This is a stupid question Because no one was interested in maintaining it
Kayden Howard
>The era of GNU is now coming to an end. Says increasingly nervous shill for the 234908233rd time since 1983.
Brandon White
not everyone uses pulse, it'd be like dropping gnu/linux support entirely "Because no one was interested in maintaining it" it's not an excuse they are giving up on a large number of the gnu/linux and most of the *bsd userbases
Parker Ramirez
>it's not an excuse Why do you think that firefox devs are somehow obligated to support the configuration that suits specifically you? It's not like you're paying them or anything
they're not obligated to do anything but if they don't care about half the people not using windows or mac, why not drop support for other os's entirely?
Justin Gonzalez
Requiring Pulseaudio has nothing to do with Windows builds and it doesn't affect it at all. I don't know much about BSDs, but I'm pretty sure you can install Pulseaudio on those.
Levi Hill
user, a large number of faggots use pa. You're in the minority, shocking I know
Christian Smith
>chrome is uncustomizable garbage and a botnet >midori is insecure and lacks extensions >qutebrowser is insecure and lacks extensions >firecucks depends on pulse for sound what browser do I use now
Thomas Taylor
Well Linux is like less than 1% of users on desktop and even less if you take in account mobile platforms And Ubuntu, which is probably the majority of Linux installs, ships Pulse by default
Taking in account that majority of desktop Linux users are just bottom feeders, chances that someone out of FF devs or maintainers uses non-pulsaudio install are incredibly slim, so why would any one of them maintain alsa support?
Ryan Cox
>I'm pretty sure you can install Pulseaudio on those why would I
Easton Richardson
Wouldn't Gentoo with a USE flag for no Pulseaudio work in this case?
Mason Carter
GNU/Linux*
Dylan Watson
Install Pulse, it's good software which actually fixes lots of ALSA flaws. I have no idea why people don't want to use pulse tbqh.
Mason Reyes
To have audio support in programs that require it.
Cameron Rogers
>it's good software which actually fixes lots of ALSA flaws like?
Josiah Hill
Are you an idiot? What do you think those flags do? Do you think that adding a flag will automatically make a program maintain and write itself? Now that I said it, this might be true, because there was one guy who thought that if he added a Qt flag to every program, that they would automatically get Qt support instead of GTK.
Hint: it won't if Firefox requires Pulseaudio to work.
Jose Hernandez
Someone took the blue pill. Android is a fucking mess.
Brayden Scott
only firefox requires it why would I change my whole sound architecture for the sake of one program
Charles Mitchell
retards are mad because it's made by pottering
Nicholas Howard
Are you also an idiot? If you don't want to, stop using Firefox then.
Mason Sullivan
>change my whole sound architecture Do you even know what you are talking about?
Adam Morales
>oss arrives >reeee it's new it's shit >alsa arrives >reeee it's new it's shit >pulse arrives >reeee it's new it's shit
Adam Torres
>pulse audio top kek. plz remind me why there is less than 1% of all steam users that are actually using gnulinux if your os is so great
Camden Richardson
Could anyone explain the differences between pulse and alsa?
Robert Smith
Well, pulse doesn't replace alsa tho. It sits on top of alsa in order to give more features like per-application volume, better mixing, etc.
Ryder Gutierrez
pulse is not an equivalent to oss and alsa you dumb fuck there are alternatives to pulse like jack and I don't see why it's forced down everyones throats as the standard sound server
Jose Young
Unjokingly, all the sound problems I've had in the past few years have been instantly fixed by uninstalling pulseaudio. I suppose when pulseaudio-only firefox makes it to my repos I'll have to choose between no sound in one program that doesn't need sound anyway, and no sound in my system. Gee, what a difficult choice.
Jace Allen
Never used Gentoo and I thought they might have been maintaining Pulse-less Firefox since they're maintaining systemd free GNOME.
Luis Brown
If you try the Google search engine, you can find 336 000 results for it.
Daniel Miller
>forced toplel meme
Logan Harris
Different target audiences.
Luis White
Stop recommending NSA's data collection system called "Google" in a friendly thread.
Cooper Perry
>Unjokingly, all the sound problems I've had in the past few years have been instantly fixed by uninstalling pulseaudio. This.
what do you suggest I do now, use firefox 53 until the end of times? there are no good browser alternatives
Julian Morris
Because popularity has no correlation with quality >more people eat McDonald's than organic food >more people listen to Selena Gomez than Vivaldi
Connor Murphy
If you're being forced, either through blackmail or through direct physical threat, to use certain software, consider going to the police because I'm pretty sure that's a crime.
Aaron Taylor
Maybe you missed the topic of discussion.
Luis Fisher
see
Cameron Martinez
Organic food is a buzzphrase and you've fallen prey to it.
Jace Edwards
>tfw the nsa uses the smiley with a caret nose
Juan Allen
I'm pretty sure that other search engines have a similar amount of results. If not, he can use a Google proxy like Startpage and inform himself by reading one of those 300 000 results.
Joshua James
>unironically replying to spam posted since years on Sup Forums hownew.ru
Leo Perez
Since he asked in this thread, following the rules of logic, he may want answers from /fglt/ instead of searching the web.
Evan Campbell
Then he's an idiot because: >searching the internet for such an easily searchable question is significantly faster >he considers getting and believing information from other idiots who parrot myths and get all of their "knowledge" from g
Lincoln Martin
How do you know that he doesn't actually want to read the freshest memes about said topic?
Daniel Wood
This smiley got popular after these pictures got released. It's not far fetched to call it "NSA smiley"
Sebastian Moore
well, that's that qutebrowser+mpv+firejail here I come
Julian Moore
*unsubscribe from roleplaying blog*
Aaron Nguyen
qt feet
Juan Campbell
I actually hoped for a short explanation why pulse is supposedly bad, because there is just too much results in search and too much information in those results. I got that pulse is a layer on top of alsa and now that complicated chart makes sense. I read that it's buggy and over-complicated, is it that?
Parker Hernandez
does anyone have some in-depth info why firefox "needs" pulse now?
because the structure would be /var/mail/domain.com/name/Send/cur/file. But how do I do it? So basically loop into every /name/ directory and move the content of Sent to .Sent? The man pages aren't very helpful
Nicholas Baker
And how do I do that?
Oliver Peterson
I recommend using a web search engine of your choice and typing that question in.
Brayden Adams
I already tried that, and it didn't help.
Jayden Taylor
I'd cd into /var/mail/ and do a for loop, but shell wizards around here will probably tell you to use one of those shell things with curly braces.
Ethan Roberts
Shit man, probably impossible then.
Ryder Martin
Do you know the name of the package?
Kayden Gonzalez
Are you daft or only pretending to be?
Jacob Ramirez
But how do I loop 2 directories deep?
Levi Richardson
No, just new.
Elijah Bell
Did that, I still don't have the Control Panel.
Logan Kelly
You don't? You cd to /var/mail/, where your domain directories are, and the names you have to loop over are right there.
Just do something "for i in *" and then "mv $i/Sent $i/.Sent". A list of directories instead of "*" if you don't want to match them all.
Spend a few minutes researching the proper for loop syntax for your shell and doing simple tests, and when you come back someone will have called me a retard for not quoting variables and posted a more thorough and safer example.
