Why are Europeans against the idea of a united army under the European Union?

Why are Europeans against the idea of a united army under the European Union?

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Only the British are against it. Pretty much all other EU countries are working towards it.

If the EU has no foreign policy what use is an army??

According to Dutch news the EU is withholding the plans until after the Brexit vote.

To have a defence force?

Russia

Why should an economic union need an army.
EU =/= NATO

Really? I can't see the French going in for it either.
If an EU army is formed might as well drop all pretense that we're not a federal superstate.

Have literally no problem in integrating battlegroups and logistics with the French or whoever (preferably under British command) but an EU army is a horrible idea.

NATO

Dude, the French and Germans have been pushing for it since forever. A few years ago the French even suggested making an EU military without the British.

Because It is not an economic union, is URRS 2.0. I just wait to see the death of EU in my lifetime

No, fuck off
A united european army is a retarded idea, you'd just end up with an expensive bureaucratic nightmare where no one would ever agree to anything making it useless
I'd rather have a smaller, national army that we can use whenever we want.

bullshit, also not an argument.

Doubt NATO would do anything if Russia invaded the Baltics.

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ok mr war general

It's not bullshit. Hollande is frustrated by the lack of backing for the French military missions. And they dislike that Germany never utilizes it's military when the French need it. That's why they want to take it to a European level.

>Hollande is frustrated by the lack of backing for the French military missions
That's true, but that doesn't mean we want to merge our military with other countries'. If we did, not only would we not get any support, but on top of that we wouldn't be able to intervene at all

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11861247/Merkel-expects-Cameron-to-back-EU-army-in-exchange-for-renegotiation.html

express.co.uk/news/world/674596/France-neglecting-Nato-focus-creation-EU-army

breitbart.com/london/2016/04/20/german-and-dutch-military-forces-merge-bringing-eu-army-a-step-closer/

What's the point of NATO then? Most of the country that are in NATO will be in the EU army

Because it's fucking pointless.
We've already got NATO.
Why would we need a NATO Lite run by Belgian faggots?

>link claiming France left NATO
into the trash it goes

If Germans managed to create such army, it would slowly become a competition for NATO and was used to kick out American interest from European continent in cooperation with Russia.

I think It would be a total failed. Although, We have NATO.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but considering your epic fail in Libya, I don't think that's a very good idea.

>The French in charge of being able to read English

>your epic fail in Libya
What

>The Dutch in charge of reading their own links

>>France pulled out of the US-led alliance in 1966 and only rejoined seven years ago

For France it's a grab for power. To shift the power from Washington to Paris.

Because they don't consider themselves European and because they consider other european countries to be their enemies or, at best, rivals.

France is pushing for increased cooperation between european militaries, like with the CJEF.
We do not want a european army, period.

>drop all pretense that we're not a federal superstate.
yeeeeees
we must do this

also do propaganda for it like the americans

and put the far right in charge of it

I like to imagine the EU has a list of all reform plans blocked by the UK that will be worked through after they pull out.

Because NATO exists, and because EU is run by unelected officials.

because the people in charge of the union are retards and cucks

Because it will just be Britain and France effectively giving our armies to Germany.

They actually do. You know that Dutch referendum about Ukraine.

They actually told our Prime Minister to stop talking about it until after the Brexit.
So now our Prime Minister said he needs to study the implications of the voting results.

The law however dictates that - if he accepts the results of the referendum - actions have to be taken immediately, so people have sued to government for not responding to the referendum yet.

The court case is due - one day - after the Brexit referendum.

*people have sued the government

Does that mean other countries will start spending the same proportion of GDP on their army as we do?

France is thinking about setting up an EU defence funds.
But it's not for an EU military, trust us. At least, until after the Brexit vote.

reuters.com/article/us-europe-defence-idUSKCN0YP11B

>it's definitely about a common army guise
>source: my ass

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/26/plans-to-create-an-eu-army-kept-secret-from-voters/

possibly because it will be under the control of germany

no

Is there any non faggy, non moronic country other than Finland that is able to take the lead of the EU military?

That's still a single guy claiming a thing, there's nothing official about this
I'm convinced it's not happening anyway, such a major change is definitely grounds for a referendum which has no chance of suceeding in most countries

Where are we on that list? :(

i don't see why this would be a bad thing. the sooner europe stops leeching off of us the better for everyone involved. "daddy USA" can't protect you guys forever

>possibly because it will be under the control of germany
>Germany
Germans always trying to invade yurop......
And do you really think it is possible to make an EU army if the frenchies are not in favour to make it?

>The Minister in charge of Britain's military has become the first member of the Government to confirm that if the UK remains under Brussels control it will be forced to join an EU army
express.co.uk/news/world/673463/Britain-forced-EU-ARMY-leave-Armed-Forces-Minister

>Depose Gadaffi
>Start civil war
>?
>Profit

it's just a prank bro

The French government is in favour. They are just putting up a show in France perhaps, but their statements in Brussels have been very clear in the last years.

>Why are Europeans against the idea of a united army under the European Union?
Because Hitler wanted the same thing.
Just swap EU with Reich and Euro with Reichsmark.
You dont need to be a genious to see that.

>Depose Gadaffi
>Start civil war
>?
>instability
>other countries want to buy weapons
>sell Rafales
>profit

>The French government is in favour
Source ?

Ok, They would need to make a referedum for this. People would have to decide if they want a continental army, It would be illegal making it without the population agreement.

I'm not even sure the French government itself knows exactly what the French government is doing
The French government probably doesn't even agree with itself most of the time

Ah, in the Netherlands it's illegal for ministers to disagree with each other or with the King in public. So no mixed signals are given.

Because our army is to protect France and its interests, not to be commanded by incompetent and corrupted EU bureaucrats.

The french government doesn't represent the will of the french people nor the interests of the country, why do you think there are strikes everywhere ?

Our military is being integrated into the German one And no one is asked anything.

But I dont think anyone here cares. The Netherlands is quite imperialistic and not capable of defending itself. So nobody even questions it.

I never heard a politician questioning it at least.

>Our military is being integrated into the German one And no one is asked anything.
Well here, this shit wouldn't fly

Are military grunts forced to learn English by requirement? If not, this is would be an Austrian-Hungary or Holy Roman Empire kind of army: Dozen of languages to give orders to grunts.

> The Netherlands is quite imperialistic
Well I will say to you what I once said to a young Buster Keaton, what?

Because the European union is not a state. It's a trade agreement.

Because we are not the united state of europe, fuck off, the eu must die.

Nyet, that was the EEC.

Luckily, Spain has an own army and we are not interested in this shit. Although We are not Europeans at all, so If germans want to make this shit, We will not follow "the European way". Sorry lads, Iberians rule in Iberia not Germans.

Because it will be used to defend the corrupt bureaucracy from the people, rather than defend Europe itself.

We are one of the most active nato members. We have a larger portion of our military deployed than other european countries. We help the French in Mali. Americans in the middle east and the carribean. Part of the anti-Russian battlegroups with the UK.

But our ambitions are bigger than our capabilities. We like to be involved in everything, but arent willing to pay the bill. And because we are either a lot stronger than other countries (Belgium, arabs) or a lot weaker (Russia, Germany) we dont know how much we would have to spend anyway.

And if Venezuela would attack our Islands for example we would still rely on the USA and France to help us. So integrating our military is common sense here.

But the UK (and France) are in a different position. Being from larger countries.

The different armies are already working together. You can see many different nationalities in the camps. Everything is well coordinated.

I don't think it would be a good idea to fuse them together. There would be a problem of language, of different laws and responsibilities, the different armies don't answer to the same level of the state in each country, there would be a risk of not being able to oppose a EU decision, and so on.

jajaja very funny alfonso

When the EU turns into an actual federation and every official is elected by the people then sure, why not. Right now that would be a terrible idea.

This happens already with NATO successfully it seems, they manage multi language brigades on operations. The fact is a European Army would be little different to NATO with another badge so arguments against it largely invalid except cost. Politically its a different matter and not one easily resolved or discussed without great length.

They'd probably make all soldiers learn Esperanto or some shit.

Are you interested to be a pupet state of germany?
Trust me, Venezuela is not going to attack you. They dont even have fucking toilet paper

What if the officers educated in langagues get killed?

When we were having trouble with Russia over MH17 they actually send warships towards our Islands.

>They'd probably make all soldiers learn Esperanto or some shit.
This is turning too jewish and I hate jews.

A new flag to spit on while pretending that I'm kissing it.

I have talked with several people from Venezuela. They are literally running away from Venezuela, that country is going to the hell and There will be a civil war there very soon.

The Netherlands is afraid of an attack, so we let American troops use it as a base.
Bur Venezuela fears our Islands are a staging ground for an American invasion.

So that leads to a lot of tension.

meh, Venezuela is a failed state. Their leaders are saying shit about Spain every day and we are not afraid from the Venezuelan menage. kek, I think Venezuela is going to end up annexed by Spain again.

A mini-cold war between non-countries. A soviet state and a capitalist state. :^)

Could anyone briefly tell me what is happening in Venezuela? There haven't been any news about it here.

Why the Netherlands is so insecure?
I mean no offense but everytime someone want to push for an EU army is 90% of time a dutch or a german.
Also the same are pushing for anti-guns laws.

Yes, sure as hell it's the EU that is against it.

Socialist leaders are fucking up the economy. And then blame foreign countries.

Sounds like Yugoslavia.

Socialism at work. They're out of toilet paper.

because we dont know what they wanna use it for.
Also because no nation will be ebale anymore to have a potential to threat the rule of the comission as they could just deploy soldiers from other countries without any loyality to the population there.

Greeks dont wanna pay debts, so they have a bunch of germans, spanish and french there keeping order...

We arent, we are just waiting for the islanders to leave.

i think, NATO is European Union Army practically.

>Keep the russians out
>the americans in
and the germans down

How is this a bad thing?

> that Germany never utilizes it's military when the French need it.

because they only do silly stuff with it.
Like removing ghaddafis tanks and now doing whateverthefuck in Mali?

>no US troops in France
BASED De Gaulle

Down with the Evil Empire.

>cheap uranium is bad
>having a military presence on every continent is bad
Get a load of this guy

That Germany's industrial development + Russia's endless natural resources = Hyperstate