If you want help: >State the budget for your build (and country if not the USA). >List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate. >Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
CPUs: >G4560 - Budget builds (R5 1400 - if you can't afford better or specifically need 8 threads but not a very powerful CPU >R5 1500x - All you really need for 60fps with power to spare; Don’t get an i5. >R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; Get a 1600x if you don't OC
>R7/Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/mixed use; Not required for just gaming.
GPUs: >Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games >RX 560 and GTX 1050Ti - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games >RX570 - 1080p@60hz at high, running most maxed older games at 144+hz. >RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@60hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; Go for the RX580 if you can. >GTX 1070 - 1080p@144hz /1440p@60hz at high >GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p. >GTX 1080 Ti - 1440p@144 hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games; You're kind of going overboard with this one. >AMD GPUs are suffering a lack of stock and Nvidia a rise in price thanks to e-currency miners
RAM >Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM
General: >ALWAYS LOOK AT PRODUCT REVIEWS! >Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later >NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor. >The Ryzen lineup comes with exceptionally good stock coolers. (with the exception of the 1600X) consider using them over any sub 35USD cooler.
worth adding that with ryzen it's a good idea to buy faster (~3000mhz) ram.
also why no 7700k in the op? it's still a viable option for people who want to push max fps on 1080p.
Adam Brown
>This post brought to you by Nvidia Fermi™
Blake Brown
Had to trim the fat off the post due to character count.
So I just copied the last OP and squeezed in the RAM notice.
Daniel Cruz
need help building a 4 cheapo editing rigs for heavy illustrator and photoshop work ( imagine 20 500mb PSDs open at the same time .. yeah ..) along with light after effect / premiere work around 650euro for each rig would be nice , no used parts since taking a lease
Julian Wright
How good do your GPUs need to be?
You could save by getting intel CPU since they come with iGPU and save on the cost of GPU in this absolutely fucking retarded climate.
Otherwise just get Ryzen, a lot of RAM and a GPU.
Luis Thomas
I don't know about your place but here in eastern eu the price difference between the 1400 and the 1500x is so low that the former is not really an option. Maybe leave out that line in the future.
Camden Davis
>imagine 20 500mb PSDs open at the same time Ryzen, 1600 + 16GB 3000Mhz RAM + 1050ti + SSD as a scratch disk and OS, HDD for storage
Brayden Russell
If I get to be the OP i will keep that in mind and rewrite some parts. I think some parts are obsolete anyway.
Christopher White
the more cuda cores and vram the better
Luis Gray
Good luck keeping it below 650 in this GPU climate.
Luke Myers
It's only photoshop, don't need to overload on the cuda cores even older gen nvidia like maxwell would do, so cheap 3.5 970s for $100 would werk
Isaac Gutierrez
Anyone willing to estimate Vega pricing?
John Rodriguez
Take 1070 price and shave off 10 dollars
Grayson Reyes
Hahahahaha. 400 dollars on release. 600 dollars when everyone buys it to scalp and mine with.
Isaiah Long
exactly 650euro i5 7600k is the same price as the ryzen 1600 and i can save 100euro on the motherboard and get the 1050ti, worth it?
Jace Clark
looks good but, make sure the RAM is compatible with the motherboard and where is your PC case
Angel Sanders
i'll just use the old dell cases and hard drives i was even thinking of using the gt740 from them
Easton Lopez
I found a GTX 980 for 190€ ($210), sounds like a good deal?
I wanted a RX 570 or RX 580 instead but those are impossible to find.
Parker King
Those are a pain in the ass and can easily cut you because they're cheap chinese metal.
Joshua Carter
How come logicalincrements isn't listed any more in the OP? Sure it's not perfect, but it's a good starting point and can help fresh noobs understand a bit. Also, does The Falcon still lurk /post here?
Nicholas Lewis
Is it worth waiting for Ryzen b2 stepping? I have a 1700 on the way so there's still a chance to send it back and wait.
Grayson King
>but it's a good starting point and can help fresh noobs understand a bit. No. The builds are shit across the board. And don't get me started on builds outside of US. In fact, most their hardware recommendations are complete trash nowadays. >Also, does The Falcon still lurk /post here? Not in this thread but i've seen him on the board some time. That guy really threw away something amazing, it's a shame.
Carson Powell
gtx 980 is on par with gtx1060
Angel Adams
Ryzen 5 is a much better investment than i5 right now. 4c/4t is going to become the low-end alternative very soon.
As for RAM I strongly suggest getting at least 2666 as Ryzen scales very well with RAM speed. More specifically the speed at which logical cores within the Ryzen architecture communicate is pegged to MT/S. Higher MT/S (even with poor CAS) will result in lower inter-core latency, providing a sizable performance increase.
Oh, and like said. Make sure whatever RAM kit (should be 2x*) is in the QVL of the motherboard or vice versa.
Dominic Morales
>>AMD GPUs are suffering a lack of stock no kidding, I can't find one in stock fucking anywhere is there any indication as to when this'll end or should I just order an out of stock one now and wait for them to come in in like a month, hoping to have a place on the 'pre-order' queue?
Jackson Sanchez
Restock end of June. If you can preorder it or else wait for Vega.
Brayden Martin
The reason they're out of stock is a new crypto currency just shot up in price, and everyone and their mother wants a piece of that $1 a day mining. Last time this happened (BitCoin) it took about 6 months before ASICs came to market. So expect in stock and reasonable prices around black friday. Even if you can find one in stock, it'll probably be 2x it's normal price.
Isaac Williams
What size power supply is good for a total wattage of 429W?
Hunter Bell
Anything bigger than 429. Probably a 550.
Bentley Phillips
Thanks.
Owen Gonzalez
Can someone tell me something about the value of silent cases? I want build my hardware into a full tower, been looking at the "Cougar Panzer Max" case, or the "Corsair Graphite 780T"; probably the latter.
But now I've been looking into silent cases with dampening. My question, are they worth it? I run my PC/GPUs at 100% 24/7 and live in a small student apartment, so PC in sleeping room. Do they provide the kind of airflow necessary, and does the dampening actually help? Any input appreciated
Austin Evans
What does /pcbg/ think of pcspecialist?
Caleb Miller
Look at the efficiency curve. At 230VAC PSUs are generally speaking the most efficient at around 50-70% load, for 115VAC (most of north America) it's usually 10% lower. Of course you're not going to be pulling 430W all the time, probably quite a bit less.
550W will do the trick, but 650W would be more efficient if you plan on using it a lot. Not to mention giving yourself some headroom for future upgrades.
Ethan Thompson
The 429 is maximum, not what the system will generally be drawing in normal use.
Jeremiah Robinson
Yeah sorry for not saying that in my original post, 429 is just the maximum like said.
Wyatt Allen
Iit's quite frequently exaggerated by marketing and autists. Like silencers in movies and TV series.
That being said, there is an audible difference. In my experience it's good at muffling the sound. Giving it a more uniform spectrum. And of course lower it over all as well.
As for airflow, it is going to be impaired. There's no way around that. Though there's a huge amount of variation between chassis. Some are absolutely terrible while others are decent. A general rule of thumb here is that the fancy looking chassis are generally worse, they've sacrificed functionality for aesthetics (phantek enthoo).
If you have a big enough cooler, you don't run some crazy overclock and don't live in a desert without AC a good silent chassi is going to work very well for most people.
My recommendation would be Fractal Design's R5 or S. R5 if you need more than 2 drives and/or a 5.25" device. For almost everything else Define S is better. If size is a concern consider the Define C.
Easton Reed
>My question, are they worth it? The help with the noise, yes. Not super much, but they do. And they don't have to be expensive, check out corsair 100r silent edition. Airflow depends on the case, and how many fans it could fit. But more fans have diminishing returns of course.
> I run my PC/GPUs at 100% 24/7 Why?? And what parts? Wattage?
You're not gonna get that really silent without watercooling you GPU, probably.
Jayden Sanchez
How can you tell the difference between two monitors? Is price usually a good indicator of quality?
Grayson Sullivan
>Is price usually a good indicator of quality?
no. First check out the base specs, resolution, ppi, refresh rate etc. When you find something that seems relevant, check a good review site like pcmonitors.info/
Noah Diaz
>Is price usually a good indicator of quality? Is it ever? Higher quality products do tend to be more expensive, but being more expensive does not indicate higher quality.
Owen Rivera
That's what I said: "Of course you're not going to be pulling 430W all the time".
If you on average pull more than 325W then 650W is preferable. And again, it leaves you with quite a bit of headroom for future upgrades. Considering the price difference between, say, the G2 550W and 650W versions is less than $10. I really don't see much of a reason why you wouldn't pick up the 650W version.
Ignoring some frankly negligible details in this context, a PSU won't pull more from your wall than is needed.
Colton Lee
Dampened cases are good and you will notice the difference BUT... imho good silent fans are much more important. If you want a silent case go for it, i have the Fractal Design R5. Good silent cases are Be Quiet! Silent/Pure Base series, Fractal Design Define series, Nanoxia Deep Silence series and Thermaltake Suppressor series. Regardless of what case you get, don't spend more than $100 on a silent case unless it offers some premium features you might want such as the Be Quiet Silent Base 900 or comes with like 3 good fans. My R5 is the limited PCGH edition which comes with a solid top and side plus 3 fans and i got it for 95 or so, which is a good price in Jewmany. If you want to give into the silent meme do make sure you invest into good silent fans including your CPU fan AND a PSU with a quiet fan. Regardless, the most noise will produce your GPU anyways. There's no point in getting a silent build if you're going to buy a Zotac GPU that will sound like a jet engine no matter what you do to your case. Do your research on GPU noise. For example as far as i know the new Sapphire Nitro HSF is cool and quiet for AMD and Palit/Gainward Jetstream/Phoenix/Gamerock series are reasonable for a silent build.
Kevin Cruz
Ah, thanks for the reply. I appreciate the advice.
Brandon Gonzalez
Looking for a good 1070 graphics card to pick up at Microcenter today. They have the Asus Dual (white) for $380 and the Asus strix OC for $420.
On average most people are gonna pull 80-100w at idle/browsing. which is what they do most of the time.
Now $10 isnt much but it's pointless if he's not planning to get a 300w GPU.
Juan Gray
Really the only way to know is to first learn about the basics: Know the difference between TN, IPS, VA and so on. Learn about ghosting, overshooting, gsync, freesync and all that shit.
Then read reviews.
For reviews I strongly recommend you check out tftcentral, they do some really great in-depth reviews. It's essentially the jonnyguru of monitors.
Tyler Mitchell
My R7 [email protected] (1.3v) is running at 56 - 57°C at 100% load on a Noctua DH-15S (stock fan + be quiet pure wings 140mm fan), is that normal? I'm fairly sure that's too hot, on stock cooler + stock clocks was running 66°C at 100% load Case is fractal design define R5 with one be quiet pure wings 140mm at the back, another at the front and one fractal stock 140mm also at the front, so airflow really isn't a problem and putting my hand inside the case, it's really not hot. But when i put my hand between exhaust fan & CPU cooler then i can notice the air is pretty hot
Oliver Bailey
>56 - 57°C >too hot Wtf are you on about haha, those are good temps. stop worrying about it.
Easton Brooks
>56 - 57°C at 100% That's fairly normal. Remember that many reviewers report temperature in delta T, i.e. CPU temperature - ambient temperature.
Brayden Walker
I was getting 70°C~ish before on same overclock but with stock cooler during similar 100% load, 13°C really seems small to me for such a beefy cooler and two 140mm fans attached to it
Aaron Ross
Don't bully him, he probably had Intel cpus before.
How's the 1050 Ti? Specs wise it doesnt seem that far from the 1060
Dominic Wilson
performance wise it is
Grayson Rogers
Thanks for the input, some great options among them, although the fractal design cases seem to be too small, except maybe the Define XL. The bequiet dark base 900 pro is definitely a candidate. I'll have to research them a bit more. >Why?? And what parts? Wattage? >You're not gonna get that really silent without watercooling you GPU, probably. Yes, I run 2 EVGA 1080 Ti Hybrid. They're pretty silent after attaching the fans to the motherboard with a custom curve. I probably want a third one, that's why I need a Full Tower.
Ian Rogers
i heard there's going to be gpu restock at the end of the month. if i order rx580 from amazon.de now, what are the chances of getting it in next 2-3 weeks?
Benjamin Hill
As you know the stock cooler isnt bad. 70c is a sustainable temperature that won't really affect the life of the CPU. 75c is AMD official safe 24/7 temp.
Usually you'd get that kind of cooler for 200w CPUs or just because you want the most silent PC, so turn down the fans and enjoy.
Why are cryptoniggers allowed to get away with this?
Jaxon Perez
Aren't the new memecoins "ASIC-resistant"? What if demand for GPUs for mining never falls? Is PC gaming finished?
Julian Hall
>The bequiet dark base 900 pro is definitely a candidate Excellent case and imo with a fair price tag considering what you get. Stock fans are also very good and on Computex there was a white/alu special edition announcement, maybe that's something for you.
Colton Foster
Who /waiting for Vega/ here?
Austin Gonzalez
Remember that, unlike the dark base 900 pro, the Define S got no hard drive cage. Only by removing or relocating it will the dark base 900 pro be able to deliver 20mm more clearance.
Liam Hall
>waiting >Tfw been planning my PC for almost 12 months and I keep falling for the waiting meme
Christian Smith
I waited for so long that I just took an offer on a 1080 strix a guy sold. In a way I regret it. I went from a 290x and I have a FreeSync monitor.
Dylan Gomez
>What if demand for GPUs for mining never falls? Is PC gaming finished? Most likely the production will ramp up.
Brody Thomas
Would definitely go with the Strix, if you actually want to use the GPU
Hunter Diaz
Is there even a release date for the mid range Vega gpu's yet?
Nathan Stewart
use the gpu?
Andrew James
No. Wait for the announcement :^)
Brayden Wood
what's the cheapest 1440p monitor out there?
Logan Morales
5th of June according to rumor
Robert Lopez
1440p is only requirement? Crossover 27QW
Andrew King
Buying the cheapest crap you can possibly find is rarely ever the best value or smartest investment. And the shoddy quality very frequently end up costing the consumer more in the long run.
Matthew Watson
Are Freesync and G-Sync just memes?
Noah Stewart
No. They are like Mechanic keyboards. You don't know what you are missing till you use them. Then you can't go back.
Parker Martinez
>Finally decide to build a pc >GPU prices skyrocket
How long will this cryptocurrency mining craze affect the GPU prices? Will they drop to normal levels in a few weeks or will they stay like this for months?
Robert Gray
>although the fractal design cases seem to be too small I have the Define S, and I can tell you that it definitely does not *feel* small, at least. It's a pretty imposing monolith. Had no trouble fitting all my stuff in it. But then, I'm not mining with 3 GPUs.
John Gonzalez
After the vega release there will be plenty of used 480/580s to pick up for a low sum.
Jonathan Jackson
user... It's almost July already...
Zachary Adams
No one knows but it is most likely the latter.
Jayden Butler
>Buying 2nd hand tortured GPUs No.
Andrew Kelly
fuck
Christian Powell
Is 520W sufficient for a 580 and a 1600 or should I look into a new PSU?
Alexander Russell
450w is probably sufficient for that. Not the most effective, but sufficient for sure.
Andrew Sullivan
It's fine.
Leo Cruz
Hey bros new to pc building, but i have a question that (after extensive research (googling and youtubing)) i cant find any info on. My question is this. Are B350/B370 Motherboards backwards compatible with older cpu's? I currently have an Athlon II X4 630 processor, and the specs section on the b350 im looking to get says compatible with Athlon processors. but PC Part Picka does not even bring up Athlon processors after selecting a b350. ill be upgrading to Ryzen 7 God willing in 2 weeks but just wanted to know if i could get things going with my old processor as soon as stuff gets here. Build: >NZXT-S340 Case >EVGA 650w >Asus Prime B350 plus >16G Corsair Vengance >Nvidya 9800gt (to be upgraded after Etherium crashes) >AMD Athlon II X4 630 / Ryzen 7 1700
Hunter Hall
No, AM4 is a new socket. It's compatible with future Athlon processors, if AMD makes them this gen.
Eli Howard
Why do people create rigs that barely scrape by, and then put PSUs with over 200W more than they need?
I understand it is for updatability, but why not put more money towards having a rig that will last you a long time?
Jose Torres
GENTLEMEN
I want the strongest 100% passively-cooled rig. What's the best CPU I can hope for? No atom shit.
Luke Thompson
>athlon II
No, get rid of that.
>nvidia 9800gt No, get rid of that too. A nice GTX 980 could do you well for a while for a budget build.
Lincoln Harris
Wait for Vega they said...
Oliver Richardson
The socket determines whether or not it's compatible. AFAIK AM4 is compatible with Ryzen and AM3+ CPUs, so bristol ridge and up (i.e. yours isn't compatible).
Benjamin Moore
Ryzen 7 1800x.
Ryder Cruz
Depends on what you're cooling with. With enough thermal material and surface area, any CPU can be passively cooled.
Gabriel Flores
Intel i9
Jack Jenkins
Thanks. >Not the most effective Something to do with efficiency, I assume?
While we're talking about PSUs, what happens when the power required exceeds that of what can be supplied? Can shit break or do things just get throttled?
