Alright Sup Forums, let's talk about Raven Ridge. Well, I guess we're pretty sure that 4c/8t will BTFO those dual core i7's, but how will it compete against Intel's 45W quad-core mobile i7's (Like the i7 7770HQ)? We all can agree that Ryzen shines against Intel on desktops because of the extra cores, but now that we know the APU will be a quad-core, what will be the advantage? Pricing? TDP?
Also, how do you think that tiny Vega chip will perform against Intel's integrated graphics?
Ryzen clocks higher at lower power than the Intel alternatives. Also AMD has a HUGE advantage in IGP.
Jason King
>Also, how do you think that tiny Vega chip will perform against Intel's integrated graphics?
This is literally no question at all. Vega will shit on Intel's GPUs
Matthew Gonzalez
>Ryzen clocks higher at lower power than the Intel alternatives [citation required]
Brody Young
Raven Ridge will have slightly lower IPC than Kaby Lake if the desktop Zen is anything to go by, so unless these APUs can clock well over 3.6GHz at boost and maintain a base clock of over 2.6GHz, then AMD's shit out of luck in trying to take back the mobile market share. It's iGPU is it's only saving grace, but seeing as how underwhelming and powerhungry the full Vega is, something tells me that the APU will have about the same graphical horsepower as the top-of-the-line Iris Pro 6200, except while using far more power.
Raven Ridge looks dead in the water.
Alexander Diaz
>something tells me that the APU will have about the same graphical horsepower as the top-of-the-line Iris Pro 6200
Gavin Bell
Intel makes their iGPUs look okay by slapping a huge piece of SRAM on the die to boost their bandwidth but AMD manages to keep well ahead of them anyway and their APUs are cheaper than Intel's offerings.
Carter Carter
>cpu vs cpu We have to wait and see, but the Zen cores really shine on low frequencies that are usually seen on mobile stuff
>gpu vs gpu Shit faildozer apus completely destroy Intel igpus. Raven Ridge igpu will annihilate any hope for Intel integrated graphics.
Gabriel Wood
Yes. t. 40 Watt 3 GHz 8 core desktop Ryzen
Jayden Campbell
>i don't know what I'm talking about The Iris Pro 6200 is on par with the GTX 750, but uses about a third of the electricity. AMD will struggle to match that with Vega, especially considering how much electricity it uses.
Jordan Fisher
>Shit faildozer apus completely destroy Intel igpus Nahhh, I've seen people play GTA V just fine on Iris Pro, but never seen an AMD APU get past 30fps (I'm talking about mobile here)
Adam Turner
You don't see Intel octacores reaching 3.7GHz on 65W TDP.
Dylan Cruz
Oh no! Matchs a GTX 750. AMD is FINESHED.
Thomas Nguyen
>AMD will struggle to match that with Vega, especially considering how much electricity it uses. Given that we've seen exactly zero reliable benchmarks for Vega, you're talking out of your ass.
Chase Martin
>4k ALU GPU uses a lot of electricity Wow really makes me think.
Jayden Diaz
Raven Ridge will be lucky if it can beat the 750 while sipping reasonable amount of power, a very tall order considering how power hungry Vega 10 is turning out to be. They might have to throttle the clock speeds to keep power consumption down, leading to a situation where the Vega iGPU could technically beat the Iris Pro in raw power, but can't because it needs to use less frequency.
John Phillips
Source: My Ass
Caleb Richardson
Reminder to report retards & shitposters.
Luis Young
Source: MSI Vega 10 is using between 300-350W.
Easton Rodriguez
Ryzen's TDP scales well on core counting, but the TPD keeps the same on the quad-core ones (t. 1400, 1500X)
Asher Moore
>intel igpu
Lol, about as useful as a Nvidia CPU
Easton Nelson
Is this a joke? A dual CCX R7 1800x at 3.0ghz has a 45w TDP. With a single die it will be utterly trivial to dumpster every mobile i7.
William Barnes
>4096 ALU card uses a lot of power Really makes you think.
Dylan Wright
>answering paid shills or trolls
Grayson Price
Thats a card with 4096 shaders and high clockspeeds. Everyone and their grandma's dog knows that once you go to mobile sized ~500 or ~750 shaders with reasonable clocks you end up with a really low tdp especially with binning and accurate voltage tuning.
Kevin Lewis
Is this a joke? Ryzen has no iGPU to compare with the mobile i7s, nor does it officially have low-TDP models for mobile applications. Any modern CPU with cores alone can reach very good power-to-efficiency ratios, but combine that with a shitty, housefire-tier iGPU and you have a completely different beast in your hands.
Scale down, retard. An 8CU Vega with 1/8 of Vega 10 will have over 40W TDP. They need to underclock the thing just to get it within reasonable TDP.
Logan Brown
There's a sisoft entry of a 4 core ravenridge with 768 shaders, is it 15w or more? Dunno
Angel Ramirez
Oh no, mobile chips have lower clocks, and clockspeed is less efficient than more shaders?! Wtf I've been lied to.
Get your dumb ass outta here nigger.
Jaxson Gray
>Ryzen has no iGPU to compare with the mobile i7s, nor does it officially have low-TDP models for mobile applications. Because Ryzen doesn't have APUs yet you fucking idiot.
>Any modern CPU with cores alone can reach very good power-to-efficiency ratios, but combine that with a shitty, housefire-tier iGPU and you have a completely different beast in your hands. Vega has not come out yet. You know nothing about its power characteristics other than rumors which may not even be applicable to the iGPUs used in Raven Ridge anyway.
Xavier Sanders
Because iGPU will TOTALLY be clocked at ~1500mhz. Really makes me think.
Logan Jackson
>Hurr durr I'm going to pretend I don't realize that you subtract one of the CCX's before adding an iGPU compared to Ryzen that can hit 45w TDP at 3.0ghz
Lincoln Rivera
Clocks?
James Garcia
Iris pro clocks up to 1200mhz
Ryan Turner
It will need to in order to beat the Iris Pro 6200
Evan Peterson
>I will compare two totally different GPU architectures
Aaron White
Just a reminder that 45W Kaby Lake i7's can hit up to 4.1GHz
Yeah, AMD is fucked either way. Raven Ridge can't compete with CPUs alone, especially not if their rival's peak turbo is higher than what's actually achievable with Ryzen using high voltages.
Gavin Ward
Yeah, for 4 seconds before it throttles.
Ian Reyes
> Iris Pro 6200 Dude, that's not even the fastest Iris Pro. The latest and fastest one is the Iris Pro 580
Mobile parts have different turbo character than desktop components. Kind of how like the 7700k only hits the max frequency on one core while the rest are stuck at all core. There is no "magic" behind the efficiency of mobile processors, for Intel they are the same silicon on the same process, just with lower clocks and different turbo behavior. Ryzen's linear power curve will provide better performance for the same power, just like it has in the desktop and server market and there is no reason to believe in any other result occurring. Also we haven't seen Vega operating in low frequencies but we can at least assume the chips are running as hot as possible for the desktop market. We won't know what the efficiency looks like at low speeds until the product is released.
Cooper Anderson
lmao
Aiden King
> 15W Literal garbage ultrabook CPU's, Raven Ridge will destroy those
> Because 40w+ is gaymer laptop nigger tier So you're saying high end laptops are a meme? C'mon, 15 inch laptops workstations should have a more powerful CPU than those thin and light tablets. 35-45W is the sweet spot, you can get over the 10 hours battery life margin on those CPU's.
Thomas Long
>amd 8 cores use less power than intel 8 cores even when clocked outside their sweetspot >somehow they'll use more power when clocked at their optimal voltage
The brain of a kike
Asher Morales
>intel shills actually trying to argue their shit is more power efficient
Evan Baker
High end laptops should be reserved for workstations, not your throttlefire 40w+ junk
Jaxson Jones
Honestly, that's pretty neat, but let's be real, that's a big aborted laptop, literally republic of gaymen.
I would like to see how an underclocked 1600 would behave on a normal sized laptop.
Cooper Morgan
Children not understanding business.
It comes down the pricing not performance parity.
Isaac Barnes
THE MOST SCALABLE (totally better than EPYC, goy)
Jaxon Cooper
stop posting fucking brainlet
John King
>underclocked 1600 The nice part about Raven Ridge is that it's only going to be one CCX, which means not only half the TDP of the already good 1700, but also that there's no IF to run between the CCXs for even further power savings. It shall be very interesting to see how it turns out.
Carson Moore
It still uses IF to connect to iGPU.
Dominic Russell
And..? That's why AMD made it
Ayden Rodriguez
trust us, goy
Benjamin Nelson
>should be you don't decide what people want, fucking moron.
Jack Bell
I don't but the market does, and the market thinks 100w+ of hardware in a laptop is a joke.
Ryder Flores
>ebinmail is STILL shit Oww.
Lucas Flores
Will Raven Ridge also have 16MB cache?
Jeremiah Martinez
no
Joshua Martin
Sure, but it's not constantly needed just to talk to the other memory controller even for single-threaded programs.
Blake Powell
8MB because 1 CCX
Charles Garcia
Don't think that tiny Vega will be much faster than previous APU's?
It's actually "just" a 40% improvement on graphics, see pic related.
Gavin Baker
40% improvement at half the power envelope.
Colton Martinez
Only miserable 40%! But Intel, goyim. It's the best.
Gabriel Williams
So 80% at the same power? We don't know if it will scale perfectly.
Matthew Turner
At those low clocks scaling should be linear. Hopefully there's actually a 1400 shader part along with the 700 shader part so there ia more difference than clocks
Tyler Kelly
i'm waiting for 7nm laptops.
Jose Long
hello pajeet, my friend
this is rakeesh. how do i get job shilling intel on Sup Forums my friend? please friend, i have 16 mouths to feed...
Justin Rivera
ryzen wins because the uncore speed is tied with the ram speed
the more speed you feed the ram the more ryzen will btfo intel
Adrian Williams
what the fuck is wrong with incels and pretending their igpus aren't complete trash? how deluded are these retards?
Ryder Adams
"just" 40% is the difference from gaming comfortably at 720p to comfortably handling 1080p
Jack Butler
It's "only" 40% better at half the power.
Michael Hall
40% over current AMD Integrated Graphics, which are already better than anything Intel can make.
Nicholas Williams
Bulldozer CPUs were a shit too, that's extra perf there as well, and laptop makers decide power managment, so it can end up going over that 40% while using more power.
Wyatt Brown
>Nahhh, I've seen people play GTA V just fine on Iris Pro, but never seen an AMD APU get past 30fps (I'm talking about mobile here) I like that you pull out one of the most CPU bottlenecked games out there to try prove that Intel IGPs are better than AMD IGPs.
Levi Murphy
I'm pretty sure AMD made it its goal to target 60+ fps in esports with high settings for mobile chips, that's a pretty big market.
That on a
Easton Nelson
Around 120-130mm^2 of vega graphics go into raven ridge, desktop vega is around 490-500mm2 at 4096 shaders.
Someone do the math.
Justin Moore
can't wait for these laptops to come out and AMD to really eat Intel's lunch fuck those lazy non-innovating synagogue frequenters
Anthony Harris
>more attractive form factors Screw that I want my laptop to be EXTRA THICC
Logan Moore
Bristol Ridge wasn't too bad The problem were manufacturers making shit laptops A thicc laptop with a FX9800p, a large battery, 1080p IPS screen and a semi-decent GPU for muh gaymes would have been perfect Still pretty satisfied with my A10 9600p, R7m 440 HP laptop, aside from the locked down BIOS, small 40Wh battery and shitty 768p screen
Iris pro 580 already runs Dota 2 at full HD max settings at around 60fps, ~45fps with anti aliasing on. see: youtube.com/watch?v=jYpJolQ8MIc
Austin Cook
All I know is that Ryzen beats anything Intel currently has in performance per watt. That's all that matters in the mobile world and that's what AMD currently have. Also, they have very thin actual die packages which are important for pointlessly thin laptops.
Gabriel Brooks
Just a question, do you even know what TDP means? Hint: it's not power draw.
Carson Kelly
The quad-core Ryzens are the worst of the worst binning m8.
Wyatt Gomez
Nope, Ryzen 3 (Aka Raven Ridge) is
Michael Williams
Are you retarded. Or just stupid?
Aiden Sanders
I'm just superior
Owen Cooper
That shit drops frames to 32 in battles and is a 45w overpriced turd, what the fuck. Nobody's gonna put this in a XPS
Samuel Brooks
Yup, retarded.
Christian Russell
I really love how AMD can just bin a GPU on the die. It's like magic.
Carson Foster
Are you retarded? Raven Ridge is a entirely different die.
