> grsecurity didn't violate a single point of GPLv2 which is what the kernel (which grsecurity is a derived work of) is licensed under
Yes they did, dipshit, as has been explained in the thread.
The GPL v2 prohibits the addition of additional terms.
You STUPID WHITE PROGRAMMERS think "oh this is some sort of copyright on the text of the GPL, I can write on a napkin my additional terms and I'm all good, or I can communicate said additional terms through voice or through implicit threats or through the course of business and I'm good, I "didn't add a mark to the GPL document!" 'thus no additional terms bro! Haha I'm smart, gotcha dumb lauwuuhas"
Incorrect you STUPID WHITE MALES.
The GPL v2 is speaking to further agreements / sub-licensing situations. You cannot add an additional term to THAT.
You cannot add an additional term to the agreement between YOU and further distributes.
You can't add a fucking codicil to the agreement, if you do your license is automatically revoked.
But you BBBRRILLIAANNT (anti-marry young girls, pro-women's rights) PROUD ARYAN WHITE MAN Programmers think you just simply KNOW everything in every field.
>I do not believe It does not matter what you believe. Your existence as a proud white programmer doesn't make you an expert on everything, though you may think it does. You may also believe that you can "control" a woman somehow when the police and state are opposed to you and anyone who can't is "weak" and it will be different for you because you are so smart you can convince her not to divorce you. Everything's fine. Only weak non-whites want to marry young girls instead of strong women like us white men who can take the challenge!
Take a read of the license, and take a read of the lengthily explanations, also learn some law.
And yes I am a Lawyer. And yes, your understanding is lacking.
GRSecurity has added a term not present in the license grant the Linux-Kernel owners have extended to GRSecurity to the the agreement between GRSecurity and those to whom it is distributing the derivative work. This is explicitly forbidden. The Linux-Kernel copyright owners forbid such behavior in their license upon pain of automatic revocation.
Argue all you want the other-way, I will likely not respond. If 5 pages of explanation aren't enough, then nothing can overcome the self-sure hubris.
Dominic Turner
This little twink is creeping me out. That is all.
Grayson White
As a white male, I wait for a hammer falls over grsecurity.
Juan King
i wanna cum inside that roach
Ian Peterson
calm down pajeet
Robert Powell
No clicks for you and nothing will change just because some people sperg out about it. Here is 'something' for you: If big corps like MS, Apple or even stuff like Redhat doesn't care, the rest of the world won't either.
Jaxson Hall
>your a fucking WHITE MALE
Christopher Wood
I run sys-kernel/hardened-sources and I'm really pissed what the grsec people are doing. I'm not a lawyer an can't understand their tricky lawyer speak, but I thought that essentially what they are doing is saying you can redistribute their patches but then they don't want to continue working to provide you support and new updates. And I guess they should have the right to discriminate and chose who they want to continue to work for to provide support and new features, they are not slaves. But I guess the people sounding the warning about this that if that where true then there would be all sorts of other undesirable implications in other areas, but I don't understand when it seems that you do have the right to redistribute the code but you may have to accept that they may not want to keep working for you.
Nolan King
They don't have to provide support, but the GPL does enslave then to provide updates and new features to everyone if they make them Should had worked on FreeBSD with some proprietary licensing for their patches
James Stewart
Didn't read and don't care. Came here for Anzu.
Austin Smith
>to provide updates and new features to everyone if they make them Oh okay I think I understand so if they work on something new for a few people then they have to make that code available to everyone in other words a few people pay for the work but everyone gets access to the new code?
I have another question, isn't it possible to do work on GPL code on your own system and never give anyone else the code?
Jordan Scott
Technically you only have to make the code available to your customers. The issue is that grsec (and many others in the past with no issue) are trying to use contract law to stop their customers from distributing the code further.
Correct, if you don't distribute a binary made from gpl code you don't have to distribute the code.
Charles Hughes
she's so fucking hot
Ian Powell
>Technically you only have to make the code available to your customers. The issue is that grsec (and many others in the past with no issue) are trying to use contract law to stop their customers from distributing the code further.
Yes: that is an additional term.
Remeber the "thing" that exists between Linux-Distributors and those who Recieve Linux is the agreement. It is not "the GPL". The GPL (v2) are the __TERMS__ of the agreement and license.
The agreement states that if you distribute a derivative work you MUST distribute them under the SAME TERMS.
Handing someone a copy of the GPL and then saying "oh by the way if you do this and this we'll retaliate in this and this way" is NOT offering an agreement under the same terms.
Instead it is offering an agreement under the GPL PLUS ADDITIONAL TERMS.
This is something white men cannot understand. They do not understand conceptual things. They only understand that which physically exists.
This is because white men are stupid golems. That is why they are so easily controlled by white women and why they (the men) violently oppose their own interests.
Notice how all the people saying "nooo U R WRONG GRSECURITY IS FINE!" are 1) White Male 2) Opposed to men taking cute female children as brides 3) Hate the Old Testament Jewish God found in Deuteronomy
No surprise there..
Nathan Myers
>Yes they did, dipshit, as has been explained in the thread. No they didn't.
Grsecurity team (allegedly, which I'm inclined to believe, since it sounds like a good business model for free software) signs a contract with the interested party. They pay and they get the service which includes patches and support for it. The interested party is free to distribute the patches further (with accord to GPLv2) and provide source for them to anyone they wish. Such action however breaks the (alleged but believable) rule of contract between grsecurity and aforementioned interested party.
There's nothing in GPLv2 (or any version) that prohibits Grsecurity from refusing to further cooperate with interested party once their contract was broken. They retain full GPL-enabled rights to the source code and software grsecurity provided them prior to grsecurity breaking cooperation.
There's nothing in GPLv2 that forces you to distribute your GPL-licensed work (and by that - code) to people you do not wish to.
Joshua Morris
>she
>white men are stupid golems wat
>breaks the (alleged but believable) rule of contract between grsecurity and aforementioned interested party Which is an additional restriction on the distribution GPL code. Putting a contract termination clause in the contract that triggers when the patches are redistributed is a specific incentive to discourage the exercise of the rights of the GPL.
Dominic Williams
>Which is an additional restriction on the distribution GPL code. No it's fucking not.
You are granted FULL rights to modify and distribute whatever GPL licensed code you received from grsecurity and noone is able to sue you for executing these rights. You are not granted any rights whatsoever to code you haven't received yet cause that would be fucking stupid.
Brandon Cooper
Those are some Olympic level mental gymnastics to try to justify the termination of a contract as not being a punitive measure for exercising license rights.
Julian Ortiz
Anzu is going to be one of the most attractive women on the planet when she gets her tit job. Or when they're done developing. Whichever comes first. 100% for sure for sure the most attractive turkroach
>tfw u will never have qt3.1 turkroach waifu to roll ur sushi
Adam Sanders
Take your pills
Justin Brown
Interstellar-level mental gymnastics are done by you just to defend multi-billion dollar corporations piggybacking on the work of a few people and expecting those few people to continue their work just so the jewing can last longer.
Matthew Russell
She looks absolutely fucking revolting without a ton of make up. Get your shit together.
Aiden Stewart
Here's a scenario where rights are very clearly violated: >Company A is making a product. Let's say that is a POS terminal system powered by Linux. Since these systems will be remote managed, Company A decides to sign a contract for GRSecurity patches so they build more secure machines. >Company A then sells a lot of 100 of these machines to Company B, a local grocery chain. >Company B's IT department wants to audit the machines, so a request for the kernel sources is sent to Company A. >Company A must now make the choice between refusing and violating the GPL and inviting a lawsuit or complying and violating their contract with GRSecurity and preventing any future updates to the POS terminals. Can you now see how the contract termination is an implicit restriction on the exercise of the GPL?
Dylan Sanders
So do most women. She is an angel
Justin Reed
She looks like shit without makeup and her hair is falling off cause of the anorexia. Her tits aren't gonna grow either, she's like 20.
Nolan Richardson
Your scenario implies three things as absolute given
>grsecurity actually bullies it's clients into not redistributing source under threat of contract termination Like I sad, so far it's only a believable allegation, not confirmed by grsecurity nor one of their clients.
>contract with grsecurity disallows sharing the source with your customer
>grsecurity is actually interested in cooperation with hardware vendors that want to sell grsecurity-enabled systems I just don't see it as a thing since vendoring grsecurity-enabled embedded systems was what got grsecurity into the current state of things. I'm fairly sure they want to keep their customers as end users and not redistributors.
Josiah Reyes
>wat shut up you FUCKING WHITE MALE
Chase Long
DAGA KOTOWARU
Then in that scenario, the restriction would just pass along to Company B in my scenario. >4 essential freedoms >0. Freedom to run the program as you wish. >1. Freedom to study the source code of the program and then change it so the program does what you wish. >2. Freedom to help your neighbour. That’s the freedom to redistribute the exact copies of the software when you wish. >3. Freedom to contribute to your community. That’s the freedom to distribute copies or modified versions when you wish.
Josiah Ward
>Then in that scenario, the restriction would just pass along to Company B in my scenario. In this scenario probably would qualify as a GPL violation. That's why I suggested that embedded systems are not the customers grsecurity is interested in.
One of them spilling the beans on the contents of the contract will be decisive. But for that you have to sue them first. And the only reason Google/Intel and the rest of the corporate drones haven't done it already is they are not sure of it. Shouldn't that fact be food for thought?
Ian Thomas
Yes you're right. You can modify GPL code and never release it as long as you don't distribute the binary.
But I wouldn't know what exactly constitutes distribution, like if you distributed it internally in your company??
Jayden Campbell
How did this girl get so pretty?
Post more anzu.
>when
Carter Torres
>tfw mindless drone that browses any board regardless of topics as long as there are pictures of qt3.14s
Parker Rodriguez
> >tfw mindless drone that browses any board regardless of topics as long as there are pictures of qt3.14s
Na, even I recognize that grsecurity is violating the linux license right now, currently, not just speculatively merely in the future. (Unlike (SOME) "people" )
The reason why google et al are not suing grsecurity yet may possibly be because grsecurity only pulled the final trigger a month ago.
But back on topic: please post more Anzu. She is an adorable angel. So cute.
Nathaniel Jackson
PS: adding barriers to further distribution of a GPLd work is a violation of the License.
The people who are saying otherwise are wrong and do not know the law at all.
They are lying to you and you should not listen to them.
If pages of explanation from lawyers aren't enough, plus additional pages from Bruce Perens, sorry you're hopeless or just working in furtherance of the interests of the opposition.
Joseph Sullivan
Question: does requiring a subscription for continued support and updates constitute an additional clause on the GPL?
Also, has the FSF chimed in on this yet?
Dylan Clark
>you will never be a cute little roach girl that can wear cute clothes like this
Benjamin Flores
*heems at the anzufag*
Nicholas Reed
Ok, let me clear this out while the thread is still on topic: Anzu is a GIRL (FEMALE) She was born a GIRL 20 years ago in TURKEY There are PHOTOS proving she is a GIRL Anyone claiming Anzu is not a GIRL but a TRAP is WRONG and from REDDIT.
Kayden Flores
>she
Nolan Nguyen
Yes, Aslı Sahra Altunbaş's pronoun of choice is "she", because she was born female with a vagina.
Ian Thomas
...
Oliver Perry
What do the japs think about Anzu?
Samuel Jackson
...
Parker Thomas
he's showing his age, fucking disgusting
Asher Green
>the perennial turk "wh*te" shitposter from Sup Forums found his way to Sup Forums Oh boy are you guys in for a wild ride
Zachary Ward
It's a girl reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
David Phillips
a girl with a penis, i'm aware
Benjamin Sanders
She has a vagina you have no proof it's a boy
John Scott
SHE IS A CISGENDERED GIRL
Nathaniel Morgan
where are your pictures of his vagina? its plainly obvious he's a guy
Adrian Perez
She has a female name looks 100% like a girl in every picture including the ones where she was like 2 years old Now if you can find me evidence that prepubescent children can undergo transition in Turkey and change their name on their ID as well...
Logan Young
Whatever lets you sleep at night, user.
"She" is still a boy, though.
Jordan Stewart
I presented you with facts. Now can YOU prove she is not a girl?
William Martinez
>She has a female name looks 100% like a girl in every picture including the ones where she was like 2 years old so do a lot of guys. not helping your argument buddy
Angel Rogers
>I presented you with facts Sentences pulled out of your ass don't mean anything. Do you have actual evidence? Her roach ID or similar? No? I thought so.
lmao, by the way, in 'her' older photos she looks even more like a boy. It's like HRT changed her over time, who knew?
Sebastian White
Not that other user the original one arguing but saying where are the pics of her vagina is not an argument
Dylan Johnson
It is considering she lives in roachland
Nice reddit spacing. Here you go
Christian Butler
>Post random college application form >No photo
Also, did you know that unis started enrolling the mentally ill by the name of their choosing a good while back, right?
James Lopez
Some Turkish anons know her in real life. I don't.
Kayden Mitchell
this doesn't prove anything, you fucking faggot enabler
Tyler Sanders
This is a Turkish university, retard
Nathan Sanders
looks like a guy i knew growing up, he had long hair too. not really helping at all user. all kids are pretty androgynous
Aaron Hall
>Post random college application form With her real name, posted by her father on his personal page, many years ago when she was underage and not even very famous on Sup Forums. If you actually cared about Anzu you would know all of this already, though.
>did you know that unis started enrolling the mentally ill by the name of their choosing a good while back, right? Yes, American universities started enrolling trans people by the name of their choosing. In Turkey you can only enlist using your legal name which you can only change when you're older than 18 and with medical approval (not exactly easy to get).
Brody Jones
Nigga still has no real argument proving she's not a girl so basically slander
Owen Parker
Nigger still has no real argument proving she's a girl so basically he's being a huge fucking faggot nigger
Josiah Hernandez
Les than 1% of girls are born male. The burden of proof lies on you.
Ryder Rodriguez
anzu and grsecurity?
Asher Bell
Why is she so pretty?
Gabriel Phillips
How are the men in her school not like raging bulls?
Carson Kelly
Apparently she is harassed quite a lot but mostly negative, people don't like anorexic weebs That and she has a Chad bf
Benjamin Jones
iphone filters and makeup
Aaron Smith
>he wouldnt let him stab him in his boipucci
Carter Lopez
>roachposting
Julian Rogers
it's more a matter of linux foundation and linus torvalds as copyright owner (or any linux kernel developer with code in mainline)
those have the legal power to do things in regard to GPL violation, for example suing.
the FSF can only say things like "they violating it, that's bad".
Benjamin Johnson
>revoking licence How does this actually work? I never heard anyone doing it in regard to the GPL. Does a letter sufice?
Dear GrSecurity,
for violating the GPL your right to use any GPL'd code are now revoked.
It probably wont do anything unless a court agrees and orders them accordingly to stop using any code with GPL.
Joshua King
It's automatic upon violation. No letter is needed.
Michael King
>all this SJW pastas What the fuck is going on here?
without having to refer to the gnu faq, the common sense approach to this question would be that corporations and companies typically own all of the computer hardware even if you are allowed to take, say, a work laptop home with you, and as a result they aren't distributing the software to your computer but to their internal computers
an important note is that if you intend to use gpl software at work the whole software has to be licensed under the gpl as far as the gpl requires it, if you use gpl software in proprietary programs and that program is ever sold or distributed (say, the company wants to sell their internal software or license it out) then that's a gpl violation and it comes back on you and/or the company in a legal case
another important note would be that if you are working internally with gpl software but are treating it psuedo-proprietary (i.e., not distributing it externally) while fully licensing it under the gpl then if that software is ever leaked then it's technically a valid gpl license and you can't do shit about losing your psuedo-proprietary software - the company might be able to take the leaker to court(for violating the terms with the company not with the gpl, see also company owns the hardware and generally what you write while you work on that hardware) but either way it's either going to end up with the software legally being licensed in gpl or that the software isn't legally gpl but this still is a gpl licence, what I'm getting at here with this point is that using gpl licensed software in your trade secret proprietary software isn't exactly intuitive
Matthew Collins
>Question: does requiring a subscription for continued support and updates constitute an additional clause on the GPL?
no, this is completely within the terms of the gpl
the issue here is that grsec *might* be placing stipulations that *might* be interpreted as additional restrictions upon the gpl (e.g., if you adhere to the terms of the gpl we'll stop doing business with you), while this might seem counter intuitive at first (they shouldn't be forced to do business with you after all) the gpl isn't compatible with having additional restrictions placed upon it, it's a license not a contract - of course as far as I know this is all hearsay, I don't actually know if grsec has stated these 'restrictions' in any official capacity or is part of any contract (and because grsec subscriptions aren't cheap, no customer has come out publicly to say if this is the case probably because they don't give a shit about edrama)
as an analogy, shops can refuse service to anyone and aren't required to give an explanation as to why, but discrimination laws means you can't explicitly deny service to certain subgroups, so in theory you can refuse service to blacks without issue if you don't explain why you're refusing service but if you put a sign up in the window that says "no blacks" you've violated discrimination laws (but as a note enjoy the court case when it becomes demonstrable that you're only refusing service to blacks)
Gabriel Lee
they're not saying your access to gpl code is revoked, they *might* be saying that if you leak the latest grsec patches then they won't renew your subscription - you lose out on future grsec patches (unless somebody else leaks them of course)
Wyatt Evans
I don't believe you're allowed to revoke someone's access to free software. The author can add a condition to prevent a particular person/entity from using the software but that would make it non-free which is frowned upon by the FSF and rms
John Johnson
>There's nothing in GPLv2 that forces you to distribute your GPL-licensed work (and by that - code) to people you do not wish to. People who paid for the software and received a binary are entitled to the source code. If you don't want someone to redistribute your works you should probably not release under GPL in the first place
Austin Powell
it's a false flag operation by OP to make foss advocates look like complete and utter raving lunatics
what grsec is doing may (emphasis on may, as in we don't even know if this is their official position as nobody has leaked contracts yet) be in a legally grey area but it's purely an intellectual property matter, identity politics has nothing to do with it, and nobody but OP is bringing it up
Caleb White
>People who paid for the software and received a binary are entitled to the source code. and the right to redistribute it and any binary.