When it became known that primary Intel but AMD too put backdoors in their Hardware, People made a rough estimation what older Hardware could still be safe. Shortly after "News" spread that x86 got an security bug in hardware that goes waaaay back. This seems to coincidental to be true. Seeing as 32-Bit is phased out forcefully, even though it's still used, and many things go exactly the way systemd did in the linux community, I don't buy it.
You cannot have privacy on an x64 System, this is fact. I don't belive there is a "bug" on x86.
Do you really think it requires 16GB RAM to compile/ link a Browser? It was intentionally bloated like many other things.
This is a conspiracy, and you're part of it. I hope you'll burn in hell.
The last non-botnet CPU is the AMD FX series. I have FX-8370 myself and it has enough power for anything that I do. Video encoding, light gaming, compiling, virtualization, etc. Sure, more modern CPUs are faster, but the whole field has been stagnating so I'm not terribly pressured to upgrade. My only complaint is that it runs hot, but the bundled Wraith cooler is enough it cool it so whatever. Now that Ryzen is out, it's also ridiculously cheap.
Joseph Collins
My my 40% overclocked 8320 gets to like 40 45 degrees under load. I wish I knew about CPU settings so I could push it farther without a crash. This is with the fucking 212 EVO, by the way. 4 case fans, but still, air-cooled.
Nathan Evans
>non-botnet CPU This is what I mean, first post is a shill. There basically is no good Hardware post 2009, and here we have one claiming otherwise right away. Just like systemd, make a thread or a comment and there is always a systemd shill present.
Jayden Peterson
I'd love it if only they had better single core performance for >muh emulation
William Ward
Do you even know what you're afraid of? The "botnet" is the remote management chip, which the FX series does not have.
Christian Davis
>he expects any device in 2017 that is connected to the Internet to be invulnerable to government level back doors.
Wake up user, privacy is dead if you want to live incognito in the current year. Go be a hermit in the forest if you want privacy.
If it's not a hardware backdoor its a software vulnerability.
Leo Miller
It's the last CPU without shit like Management Engine. Which is pretty much the definition of "non-botnet"; and no, I don't care about your magic botnet fairies that steal electrons and sell them to NSA..
Oliver Evans
I have three Windows 10 computers, two of them were updated from Windows 7. All of them are 64 bits. I have all my files synced with OneDrive and unencrypted. I have Intel ME installed too. I have an unencrypted Android and I let Google know everything about me.
I am posting right now from Google Chrome.
Liam Allen
There is more that "just" a chip. You're claim is wrong. You're lying.
U/EFI Bios is compromised and even before that some classic BIOS with "anti-theft" and tracking features.
And... give up? Just like that?
Andrew Gutierrez
>U/EFI Bios is compromised Libreboot
Julian Ward
So, you're an Idiot. Great, kill yourself now.
Lincoln Scott
>muh botnet >muh shills
Do any of you have a life? People will spy on you no matter what so who gives a shit? Stop watching child porn and stop pirating shit 24/7 if you don't want to worry about getting in trouble. Get a job and pay for your software.
Camden Allen
Even though one can argue whenever this is controlled opposition, I make an exception in this case. If your hardware runs custom, deblobed firmware it's less likely being part of the botnet. Still saying the FX is safe without adding "with libreboot" isn't different than lying.
That's retarded AF, he can use that shit and nothing happens to him, the only difference between him and you is that you are a paranoid faggot
Thomas Lee
Instruction set has nothing to do with the backdoors built into the chip, you goddamn mongoloid.
Thomas Cruz
Doesn't it have PSP?
Logan Sullivan
>FX series has the AMD Platform Security Processor PSP No, the APUs have PSP, but not FX series.
Hunter Green
It does, he is wrong Its a good CPU though
Personally I dont care about management engine or psp
Colton Clark
Who cares lmao
Levi Perry
>>>/reddit/
Connor Johnson
It's a timeline thing you retard. When they introduced 64-Bit they also added the Botnet. So you if don't want the botnet you'll have to be either lucky with the custom firmware or fucking use 32-Bit that is to old for the botnet. Do you get it now, if not consider suicicde.
Alexander Hernandez
Shit. I was having problems trying to build libcurl (and gcc and binutils and isl...) on Windows with MinGW-w64 (i686). Saw this thread, picked MinGW-w64 (x86_64), didn't fail on ./configure, make is running now.
Are juice everywhere?
Landon King
I'd like to see that source, you retard. Last FX is from 2012, well before PSP started. Later refinements of FX series were scrapped, so the only new designs were E and A series APUs and they are the only ones with PSP.
John Stewart
Yes but how can I exploit the backdoor in my processor to spy on echelon?
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Logan Smith
This is why I still use an old Intel laptop that doesn't have a management engine or AMT. However, you're wrong on one thing. The 64-bit architecture CPUs themselves are not botnet. It's the "features" built into them like the Intel ME or AMD PSP that are the botnet. At least on Intel systems you can neutralize the ME. The ME itself is a tiny RISC based CPU inside of the main CPU die that functions independently of the main cores. My standard for whether or not these co-processors pose a threat is if they can connect to the internet using their own network stack, or if they can take over my OS networking stack. By default the ME is extremely dangerous. This can easily be solved by using ME Cleaner to strip down the ME firmware so that it has no networking capabilities and is totally local, and only doing basic power management and some hardware init at boot. This is as easy as hooking up an external flasher clip and a Raspberry Pi, and since the BIOS and ME firmwares are stored on the same EEPROM, you can also install Coreboot all in one go. There's still non-free microcode in the CPU and a small amount of non-free ME firmware, but you'll have it contained and rendered harmless.
Intel AMT was recently shown to have a flaw which can allow attackers to pass packets around a LAN using the virtual serial connection, and the operating systems can't even detect it. It has been known for even longer that a flaw in the ME or in the manufacturer BIOS could allow permanent root kits and other nasty stuff. Even Macs are vulnerable through their Thunderbolt ports because the EFI doesn't place proper restrictions on data transfer through it at boot time.
Also privacy is a right and I don't have to justify it. Fuck off, commies.
Jonathan Ramirez
>The last non-botnet CPU is the AMD FX series. If you can't use libre drivers and libre firmware with it, it's still botnet.
Nicholas Ramirez
>drivers >for CPU
Joshua Howard
wait you're saying you can have core/libreboot on a recent chip? wasn't it limited to a few obscure mb a few chinkpads and chromebooks?
Ryan Allen
Yes, the linux kernel handles drivers for hardware like a NIC card or a CPU.
Wyatt Jackson
That's a Libreboot, and it fully disables the ME. They'll be supporting newer hardware within a few years but disabling the ME in newer chips takes lots and lots of R&D.
Coreboot supports a lot of newer ThinkPads. I used ME Cleaner and Coreboot on my X220 and it runs great. I can even boot Windows on it still since I use SeaBIOS as the payload, but it only runs Fedora. Check the GitHub for ME Cleaner to see the devices that have been confirmed to work. From those, pick one that supports Coreboot.
Not OP but ARM is safe as long as it doesn't have trust zone.
Luis Davis
ironically you'll also won't get 64-bit ARM without that.
Thomas Gutierrez
>botnet this, botnet that Botnet should be word filtered. I don't think people who use it even know what the fuck they're complaining about half the time.
And what isn't safe about TrustZone? Do you even know? TrustZone is just a different state that the processor can be run in, there's nothing keeping you from running FOSS code in it (or just running everything in it) so long as you actually have control of what bootloader you can run. You might as well be saying that having a separate root account instead of being logged in as root all of the time isn't safe.
Cameron Ward
>not posting tpm part No, I've had it with you NPCs. You fuckers are as repentive as old school jRPG Villagers and not even half as helpful. I'm not sure how but somehow I'll shut you all down.
Angel Young
POWER8 will save us all!
Nolan Miller
>tfw 32-bit arm architecture with freebsd get fucked groce phaggot
Jaxson Nguyen
Memepad X60 with trannyboot for the win
Alexander Bennett
since I've head of libreboot I watched that whole drama unfold and I'm still watching. Mainly I have following Questions:
How come the Project is/was owned by a Tranny that since I head of it didn't write one line of code of fixed one bug? It didn't even put out any new Releases. Could it be that Person didn't do the actual Libreboot related work? If not, who did it and why was this given to a Tranny? Why aren't the more Coreboot based Distros?
The Athlon 64 had no botnet, neither do some Core 2's Yes, microcode It would be of every ARM board manufacturer and OEM would use free drivers/bootloader/"BIOS"
Hunter Foster
Well, good video. Still, he asumed the tranny did it for attention. What if it was an preplaned attack on free software? Like I said, that did actually make any useful contributions even though being the "project leader". This supports a theoretical case of that it was a placement.
Also, as right wing person myself I consider trannies as mentaly ill and I neither trust them with my privacy, freedom nor do I belive they're sane enough to code software.
That leaves us with following, the libreboot project is suspicious. This is why I didn't install it. My guts tell me not to do it, even though I certainly don't trust the original BIOS.
Zachary Myers
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Joshua Cox
>trusting proprietary BIOS over FOSS BIOS that is audited by the community and that you can look over yourself just because a tranny happened to control the repos for the FOSS BIOS Serious question, did your political leanings kill your braincells or were you always this stupid?
William Lopez
Ultimate privacy solution: drop a 1000 pound bomb on every NSA facility.
Joseph Robinson
Can those features be disabled in bios?
Matthew Murphy
ITT: shills, redditors, Sup Forums
Jaxson Bell
no, you have no way of doing anything. It's like a seperate little computer in your computer with higher admin rights that the actual owner. Sometime we see options in BIOS to enable/ disable certain "features" that come with it but essentially as it is closed source we do not know if even those work or just placebo options.
Camden Mitchell
In some BIOS implementations you can turn off AMT, but that's about all. And you have to trust that they aren't placebo switches (there's not a good way of verifying what they actually do).
Parker Peterson
I'm not a programmer. I cannot the code myself as I simply don't have the knowledge to do it. That leaves me following options, trust the people involved or don't trust them. I judged I cannot trust them thus I cannot use that particuar "FOSS BIOS". Simply as that. Also, was it really audited (citiciation needed)?
I do not trust free software simply because it's free software.
To finally answer your question, I'm neither stupid nor do I have any health problems. I consider you stupid and braindamaged for even assuming I am and not thinking this through yourself.
Blake Bennett
Would one of these work?
if ((they)) are executing things secretly, shouldn't that be detectable still by looking at the signals on the board and if they show AMT activity when its been turned off?
Connor Diaz
That's exactly what they did
Cameron Jones
forgot pic, this is what I meant by 'one of these'
Jordan Bailey
Get a fucking firewall and block everything you don't need. There you go. No more spying and modern hardware.
Owen Reed
what if backdoor uses ipv6?
Ryder Wood
is the firewall made of actual fire or does it use... hardware?
Ayden Fisher
I like it when the genuinely crazy part of Sup Forums shows it's head.
Ayden Wilson
>reddit you have to go back
Daniel Russell
>supporting NSA niggers pathetic.
Levi James
Its actually leahboot you transphobic piece of fuck