>when a tree dies in the forest all of the sproutlings rise up and compete for the sunlight >javascript is dead and buried and somebody is going to take that spot.
>>has a chance tier contenders >go >some variant of lisp >erlang >ada >perl >some variant of lisp >some variant of unix designed to run in a browser tab
>>resume goes in the trash tier >swift >objective c >rust >c >forth >ocaml >visual basic >pascal >ruby
>>may surprise us tier >f# >typsescipt because j8 acts as a middleman between webasm and webapis >Some language we have never heard of or doesn't exist yet
Not sure what happened there, but I can say that JS is still needed to load webassembly shit to the browser, so not so dead
Nicholas Carter
How do I get started?
Nolan Martinez
>javascript is dead i don't think so i get paid to make things with it :)
Hudson Long
redpill me on why javascript is dead >hard mode: don't say "javascript shouldnt be used for webshit because i can't leave the 90s behind"
Nolan Kelly
wasm relies on javascript, retard
Blake Gonzalez
Kek. JScript isn't going anywhere. Deal with it, faggot.
John Richardson
I'm betting 6 cents on Typescript
Alexander Adams
the reason the web runs on javascript is because it doesn't have all the type checking, boilerplate bullshit that is unnecessary to 90% of websites.
Jeremiah Fisher
There are times where I absolutely hate that JS doesn't have strict typing, and there are times where it's actually kinda nice. It allows you to write code so terse that it makes even functional programmers cringe.
Landon Ross
>webasm Not the thread I was expecting
Tyler Harris
>javascript is dead You heard it here first boys
EVERYBODY OUT
Ayden Gutierrez
javascript is just a wrapper for webassembly now face it you've been cucked js devs you have been cucked royally
Hunter Parker
>javascript is dead no it's not lol
Julian Thompson
Why do retards continuously think that they'll be using bloated languages that require a GC with web assembly any time soon? You think you're going to be able to use Python or Java when they require almost 100MB of dependencies and would require massive low level changes to meet the sandbox model required by web assembly?
Exactly how many times do the implementors have to correct you delusional retards before you get it?
Colton Morales
Most of those languages are objectively worse than ES6 and Typescript.
Andrew Miller
I'm hoping to be using forth with wasm
Jonathan Martin
Are you people confused?
Web browsers can currently execute JavaScript.
Web browsers are adding the ability to execute web assembly. In their current state, JS is still required, however in the future there will be absolutely no need to have JS.
As long as the language has a compiler which can output web assembly, you will be able to run it on the browser. What don't you understand? Backends can be made faster, and there could even be new different front ends that don't require HTML/CSS.
Web assembly will change everything.
William Hill
Javascript doesn't have a garbage collector?
Chase Gonzalez
Javascript obviously does have a garbage collector but that has no bearing on web assembly. You can't use the underlying Javascript VM's garbage collector from web assembly and you never will be able to. That would complicate it massively and make a ton of optimizations basically impossible.
Language independent garbage collectors and VMs are mostly garbage and tend to only be remotely acceptable if the languages are semantically very similar.
Leo Sanders
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Isaac Perry
>JScript might want to google that, anyone who knew what they were talking about would not abbreviate it that way
>Web browsers are adding the ability to execute web assembly. In their current state, JS is still required, however in the future there will be absolutely no need to have JS.
You are dumb and ignorant. Shut the fuck up and do research before talking.
There is no way to interact with DOM from wasm.
Jaxon Cox
Your contender list is fucking retarded. You've essentially just ordered the languages according to how much you like them, with some Sup Forums meme languages thrown in.
>>god tier contenders >c# Not going to happen, perhaps the Mono implementation has a chance but not MS C#. Also has the problem of non-deterministic GC. >c++ Basically already happened, Native Client has been a thing for a while now. >python Fixes some of JS syntax bullshit, but too slow for a language we are probably going to be stuck with for decades. It is easily decompiled which has its ups and downs when you look at the big picture. >java Fuck no. I'm glad applet cancer and java web plugins are dead. >haskell Not enough people use this, ease of use is also a problem.
>>has a chance tier contenders >go Maybe, it would be interesting although there are a lot of gotchas in Go's standard behaviours. >some variant of lisp See Haskell. >erlang See Haskell. >ada Maybe, but not likely. >perl See Python. >some variant of lisp See Haskell >some variant of unix designed to run in a browser tab We are rapidly approaching this lol.
James Mitchell
>>resume goes in the trash tier Now you're just meming. >swift Swift is still very early in it's life and constantly changing, not currently viable (although I love the syntax). >objective c Dead within the decade. >rust I have my own complaints about Rust, but if Mozilla implemented a kind of Native Client-esque thing using it it might gain some traction. >c See C++ >forth See Haskell >ocaml No. >visual basic Dependant on MS shit, slow. >pascal See Haskell >ruby Syntax is tolerable and many web devs already have extensive experience with Ruby, but it's too slow like Python to be a good basis for our increasingly resource heavy web apps/pages. >>may surprise us tier >f# Ha, not a chance. >typsescipt because j8 acts as a middleman between webasm and webapis Hopefully we move beyond Javascript completely, thus negating the need for Typescript. On a personal note, Typescript's lexer scares me. >Some language we have never heard of or doesn't exist yet I would lol so hard if Google tries dumping a language on the community just to see what happens.
Robert Carter
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Cooper Martin
>likes swift >likes ruby macfag detected
Parker Evans
>erlang One of my great accomplishments is that for three glorious days I was a professional Erlang developer.
Dylan Reed
ES6 and Typescript are more likely to replace half of this list, even for systems programming.
My money is on Typescript eventually winning since it's just ES+
Liam Reed
>Languages that use green threads >Having any chance of winning the WASM race Go, Erlang, Python, Ocaml and any other I don't know about don't stand a chance. C and C++ already won. Rust might have a tiny chance if Mozilla plays its cards right.
Carson Miller
>systems programming >in a managed language In what world does systems programming not imply bare metal access, and how in the hell do you write a memory allocator or context switcher let alone hardware access in ES?
Thomas Bennett
>he doesn't write blazing fast bare metal vanilla JS
Jaxon Green
I do use a Macbook Air for most of my mobile work. If I need to compile or benchmark, I ssh to my workstation or testing server. I prefer Ruby (and recently Crystal) because of its clean syntax and object heavy model. The scoping is a bit shit, but it's much better than Python's brain damage.
On the topic of *fag memes, Sup Forums has entered this weird twilight zone where all "real" developers use tiled WMs on Linux and some eso functional lang nobody who actually devs for a living uses. Believe it or not, there was once a time Sup Forums liked macOS/Macs. Somewhere between the stallman and gentoo memes Sup Forums became counter to it's own culture. It really is quite interesting.
Jonathan Morgan
>culture is permanent and never changes
Ryder Brooks
An entire section of my post made point of how Sup Forums's culture has shifted. Either stupid or bad troll.
Julian Torres
Mac OS X WAS better back when Jobs was alive and ever since he died, it has been going downhill especially after ther macOS rename. It has gotten to the point where installing Linux on your Mac is more productive than trying to customize and get it to the same state on the Mac natively. I'm not surprised that because of that, developers and Sup Forums has been shifting away from macOS as well.
Parker Ward
A constructive viewpoint I can totally understand. I feel the new hardware has been my biggest gripe. A supposedly "professional" grade machine with a dual core CPU, gimped TB3 and terrible keyboard? Not to mention the shitty GPU. I'll probably be stuck on the Air line til they kill it to push 12" Macbook sales.
Justin Butler
I was surprised that: + Typescript doesn't support concat es6 modules into a single file. You have to use build tools like webpack/gulp for it. + No standard libraries. Reimplement lodash in typescript isn't that hard. + No test support, too. Still you have to use javascript libraries like mocha. + Didn't give me any fucking error whey I try to use it with brunch. Is it expected behaviour or did I configure wrong?
At this point to me typescirpt isn't a proper language, just a toy javascript transpiler.
Asher Baker
nice
the future of the web is binary blobs
Charles Sanders
Basic frontend stuff - no need for anything more than JS
Slightly more complex frontend, or simple backend - use Typescript
complex backend - use a big-boy language (or ruby if you don't mind your site being slow as molasses)
webasm isn't required for anything we need today. I think it will be useful for running videogames via the web. Think live streaming games with no install. Some guys did unreal tournament is webasm. It had an awful frame rate - but it ran. This is where webasm could make a big impact.
