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Chase Evans
>3 posts >2 IP addresses
got you now
William Watson
Nice overclocks on gamer nexus' hybrid watercooled Vega FE. Plenty of headroom for the RX to be higher.
Liam Foster
Actual good news about wega? No wai.
Luke Ross
If vega blows I'm going to buy threadripper
Aiden Harris
Kinda, a very stable and constant 100mhz+ on core and memory but also another 100w's. 400w average from the cables alone.
Water cooling also drops the leaking though, which means these might not be great cores/memory and a more mature process will gain a lot for this setup.
Benjamin Russell
What would be the price ceiling for this?
Justin Hill
Don't know pricing on RX Vega yet. FE Vega is $1500 for the watercooled and $1000 for aircooled. Keep in mind this is not "gaming ready" GPU at the moment. It's for prosumer market.
Aiden Price
How much RX Vega must be for it to be "too much"
Hudson Nelson
Reminder
Asher Butler
You can already get 1080's for $500. I'd say they need to price it at that or lower.
Chase Long
You forgot to mention that he found that it was drawing 400W through the PCIe power cables alone, plus whatever it sucks from the PCIe slot (another 75W). Close to 500W total power draw to just about edge out a GTX 1080 drawing a third of that. Or to put it another way, more power consumption than a 295X2. For a single GPU.
Great job, Raja!
Eli Garcia
>4k ALUs running at INSANE clocks draw fuckton of power No shit sherlock.
Joseph Torres
>480mm2 die with HBM2 >cheap
Is Vega going to be a loss leader?
Wyatt Bennett
Maybe it's time to rethink your architecture at that point, rather than shitting out another underwhelming housefire that will undo all the good will Ryzen has generated.
Landon Barnes
Wait for Drivers(tm).
Jordan Rodriguez
>Maybe it's time to rethink your architecture at that point They did. And don't worry, every card will be a housefire till we reach MCM.
Austin Stewart
They can't afford to, there's a reason why all their video card releases since 2011 have been minor iterations upon GCN1.0.
Hopefully with Zen's success, RTG will have the budget to develop a new architecture at last and put graphics core next to rest.
Isaac Butler
Too bad Vega is not a minor iteration.
Adrian Hughes
That was the lie AMD attempted to peddle, but evidently it isn't too much of a departure. Same old hot, loud, power guzzling GCN with disappointing performance.
Aaron Wilson
>l-lies Lmao.
Dominic Wright
Jesus man, no Vega yet? Holy fuck.
Alexander Cruz
There's Vega FE.
Jeremiah Davis
Nah nah, I mean the one for video games.
Andrew Campbell
That will be very very very late, hopefully early September for AiB cards.
Dominic Hall
Oh no, whatever are you going to do???
Elijah Foster
Reference cards will be out much earlier than that.
Anthony Perry
Maybe. AiBs get final bios for RX Vega on 2nd of August.
Eli Young
Isn't AMD the inventor of HBM? So they don't have to worry about patent use costs?
Ryan Anderson
They are.
Cooper Cruz
It is a joint venture of AMD and SK Hynix, but HBM is still expensive to manufacture regardless of who invented it.
Parker Campbell
You say that like 10 high speed GDDR5X modules are cheap.
You're looking at some $20-40 total BoM cost top for the 8GB Vega, 16GB is a different story.
James Richardson
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Dylan King
10/10 made me chuckle
Brody Ortiz
At least they met Q2 target.
Jackson Phillips
>when real Vega was supposed to release Q3 2017(Q3 2016 tapeout) >when real Vega will compete with Volta
Angel Wilson
Vega FE is real Vega. The drivers are not there. At all. Hey at least ROCm works and seems decent.
Lucas White
>Q3 2016 This is what bugs me, tapeout was way too late for just a mere Pascal competitor. And I personally know AMD didn't redirect funds from RTG to Zen until middle of 2016, which would not impact Vega's tapeout at all.
There's something way to fishy with Vega, and considering AMD has done literaly ZERO damage control for the terrible 'gayming' reviews of FE, they're hiding something
Isaac Thomas
New shader stage is alone worth discussing, shame RTG gives us ~zero actual low-level info about Vega. At all.
Owen Johnson
Of course because they haven't posted it yet, there's no press slides or presentation.
Dominic Long
>met >"""""""met"""""""
Ryder Torres
Maybe they'll tell us more at SIGGRAPH. As for now, they are totally silent. And they were for the whole Vega R&D cycle.
The driver or worst case a hardware defect are a entirely separate case.
David Garcia
I don't think they'd sell defective chips at ebin prosumer cards. If that was the case they'd dump it to someone much like Intel did with Early Purley.
Nolan Long
>still not /w4n/
Benjamin Hernandez
Why was AMD trumpeting about Zen from the rooftops in the leadup to release, but are barely acknowledging the existence of Vega?
Jeremiah Thompson
Navi is pretty far away and we've yet to see properly working Vega.
Elijah Barnes
Here's a compilation of Vega FE issues that seem completely abnormal.
>pro and gaming mode don't do anything >power gating/AVFS seem disabled >geometry performance worse than Polaris >stream binning rasterizer not working >total usable bandwidth much worse than Fiji, leading to bottlenecks above 1400MHz >texture performance FAR worse than Fiji
Assuming drivers are the cause for all of these, you're not looking at a mere 20-30% increase in performance from drivers, not even close, this is a gutted chip at the moment, the texture performance and bandwidth alone are fatal.
Alexander Wood
They were? Zen had like 2 (or even one, the one with 3ghz ES) demos before New Horizon event.
Ryan Kelly
>they disabled power gating >even fucking Primitive Discard Accelerator from Polaris WHY?
Eli Ross
agree Itc clear that the chip wasn't finished at all make all the excuses you want this is just dumb form a company point of view.
Jonathan Wright
Oh, I forgot.
>core voltage stays 1.2V stays regardless of clockspeed
If you haven't noticed, RTG has a different marketing team, and take a look at their previous release which they praised to the moon. It's probably radio silence until they figure out when they can get the drivers working, I guess the AM4 APUs and late release of Raven Ridge(compared to Q1 Summit Ridge) are a pretty good indication of the driver situation
Samuel Martin
The silicon was finished like ages ago.
Jack Gonzalez
its because its still runni9ng with modified fiji and that chip didn't have those features.
we are not taking about cpu's dummy
Lucas Sanchez
If you look at the radeon source code, you'll know power management is the largest part of the code, and considering Vega is hinted to use a lot of Zen's power management, it's totally not ready.
Julian Martin
>chip didn't have those features What? Its full Vega10 XTX silicon.
Henry Young
the bugs where clearly not fixed on silicon and it looks rushed. this is not a software bug its clearly just defective.
Christopher Russell
>>>core voltage stays 1.2V stays regardless of clockspeed It gets better, you can achieve stable clocks (1400MHz) at 1.0V Vega Fe is overvolted to hell, hopefully the same is not true for RX because there's no way they'll be able to meet the 12TFLOP at 225W they said last year.
Cameron Brooks
If the reference RX VEGA can match or beat the Ti the AIB RX's will absolutely obliterate it.
>Please don't just be slightly faster than a 1080. PLEASE!
Asher Bailey
It it was defective it would never be sold as a prosumer card, dummy. They'd dump the chips as a compute boards to chinks, Amazon or Google, much the same way Intel did with Early Purley.
Owen Clark
GN Hybrid's got considerably closer to 1080 Ti, so not having Radeon Pro software is gonna make things even better.
Matthew Brooks
Could FE be the ultimate sandbagging?
Elijah Richardson
We know nothing about Vega right now. Hell, DOOM demo from January performed better than Vega FE.
Brayden Sanchez
It's was the only way to meet Q2 target. At least ref looks nice and PCB design is stellar. On pure compute? Hilarious.
Nathaniel Gomez
If they turn on TBR and don't use retarded stock voltages that alone would lower the power draw significantly, leading the card to boost to 1600MHz all the time. The others are just icing on the cake, the TMUs being like 40% slower than Fiji even at 1400MHz is really worrying though, could Vega not even use TMUs, some other transform stage?
Jacob Brown
>TMUs being like 40% slower than Fiji What the fuck? Like really, I've never seen launch this confusing.
Bentley Powell
With threads like that, you're setting yourself up for one.
Jace Harris
Is Vega still GCN in anything but ISA? Because all this shit working literally backwards is weird.
Shit's very different, that can only explain the driver situation. Pic related.
Oliver Walker
Oh, that explains Greenland/GFX9 being so late. It's basically a totally new uarch that simply retains old ISA.
Jace James
Someone on B3D forums was actually implying that Vega has a bunch more registers than Fiji, leading to the far improved compute performance even at the same clockspeed. Guess that would make sense, but why isn't it doing anything for gaming?
Austin James
Drivers?
Ayden Price
Some more GFX9 specific improvments
>For GFX9 the appature base addresses are directly available as inline constant registers SRC_SHARED_BASE/LIMIT and SRC_PRIVATE_BASE/LIMIT. In 64 bit address mode the apperture sizes are 2^32 bytes and the base is aligned to 2^32 which makes it easier to convert from flat to segment or segment to flat.
>The global segment can be accessed either using buffer instructions (GFX6 which has V# 64 bit address support), flat instructions (GFX7-9), or global instructions (GFX9).
>The M0 register is not used for range checking LDS accesses and so does not need to be initialized in the prolog.
In any case, Vega seems to be easier to program for at first glance
Dylan Perez
>Maybe it's time to rethink your architecture at that point
That's what Vega was supposed to be, but they had to put in a legacy graphics path so the card works without 1 year of driver development. Now they only need 6 months to get it to perform good.
Joshua Thompson
>It gets better, you can achieve stable clocks (1400MHz) at 1.0V
How much power does it use that way? I wouldn't mind running it at just that, even if it gets 1070 performance, if it means that the card runs icy cool.
Matthew Ross
What fucking 1070 performance? Vega11 is far away. And they are yet to make Vega10 actually fucking work. Like, read the thread.
Adam Nelson
Vega 11 is probably cancelled. We haven't heard shit about it.
Nathaniel Powell
Why would they cancel it? It's a smaller die since you can't bin Vega10 into every niche.
Brayden Lee
>What fucking 1070 performance?
Wow, that alone triggered you so hard that you didn't even comprehend the rest of my post, didn't you?
Vega FE currently is between 1070-1080 performance.
If undervolting and underclocking to 1.0V 1400MHz means that Vega XL-TX-ABCDX silicon runs icy cool, I'd rather have that, even if it means the card is now reduced to 1070 performance.
I'm running a 3570k on stock reduced to 0.95V too (partially because it couldn't OC for shit).
Dylan Price
You won't buy FE anyway and we don't know RX performance yet. At all.
Logan Price
It's the same fucking chip, only board and drivers will differ. Performance will be, at minimum, Vega FE levels. If we are lucky, it might get more. But like I said, if it performs 1070 level and stays icy cool with some undervolting, that's already fine enough for me (assuming it is priced accordingly and not some bullshit $400 price tag because "lol premium card").
Dylan Perez
So basically a $100 undercut on price?
That honestly isn't enough. $200 would be, but I have to buy a bigger PSU for Vega and that's an extra $100 right there.
Ryder Lewis
>$100 Where did you get this?
Robert Ward
It sounds like the silicon design itself is fundamentally fucked.
There were rumours that Vega had some sort of last-minute design problem which required a new tapeout or whatever and Vega FE is the broken shit that they rushed to market to meet the quarterly deadline, which is why nothing works - the silicon is fucked.
Nolan Anderson
Why would they dump defective chips as prosumer cards when you can give them to meme learning dudes? Intel did the same with Early Purley.
Michael Wilson
Nothing that couldn't be fixed with a respin, which would take 3-4 months.
Question is, if the fuckup exists, when did they find out about the fuckup, and when did they start the respin?
Brody Perez
Canadian money
so a $10 difference in american is $100 in canadian pesos
or close enough/whatever
Jayden Mitchell
>Why would they dump defective chips as prosumer cards when you can give them to meme learning dudes?
dunno, but if they did dump them it was probably to meet the quarterly deadline so they didn't get sued by their investors.
Nathan Cook
I would strongly argue they found out/knew about it at least around the time of that dual vega shitshow demo, and probably a few weeks earlier than that.
Ryan Rodriguez
They won't dump defective chips as a. retail prosumer cards. That's lawsuit material. There's no silicon bugs, since tapeout was ages ago, they had all the time in the world to do a respin.
Charles Gomez
So Vega will start at $700 if they fix the performance, $600 otherwise?
Daniel Edwards
>They won't dump defective chips as a. retail prosumer cards. That's lawsuit material.
Yes they do, it's called binning.
Jacob Peterson
Binning has nothing to do with selling defective (as in uarch features are not working) silicon.
Jonathan Martin
>tfw you're essentially forced to unironically wait for Vega anyway
Colton Ortiz
Just buy nvidia?
Hunter Kelly
>tfw MxGPU never ever I don't want a billion VMs, just let me share between the host and one guest pls. I hate to dualboot, but I still like my games.
Owen Hernandez
I was about to buy a 1080, but I don't feel to confident in buying a $540 GPU that's more than 1 year old