Why do you hats Capitalism Sup Forums?

Why do you hats Capitalism Sup Forums?

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But I don't, I love Capitalism.

I don't. I love Capitalism

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I don't. I love Capitalism.

>Have you ever drank a glass of black rhinoceros blood? Of course not, I was just being colloquial to start this story with an anecdote. The first time I had a glass I was in South Africa, taking a celebratory drink in Johannesburg after completing a successful hunt. You see, in South Africa they don't hunt lion, or elephant. We hunted a more dangerous game: the kaffir, or black man. I finally had a 7 year old boy cornered in an Oingo Bongo merchandise warehouse when the thoughts passed through my mind: Should I pull the trigger? Can I ever come back to who I was before this moment? I pulled the trigger, made my first 100 million dollars. Mr. Johnson, this is something you need to ask yourself: can I pull the trigger on this deal and make the right choice? 10% funding for 85% ownership and prima nocte rights to your daughters.

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can't stop laughing omg

Kevin is based as fuck

I hope he becomes prime minister of Canada, he's like our version of Donald Trump

Capitalism is an inherently unjust social system and will eventually run the earth to its demise. It's fundamentally unsustainable and can be interpreted as the root of most great evils in this time period.

>Capitalism is an inherently unjust social system and will eventually run the earth to its demise

Wat

It's literally the fairest system of them all.

>can be interpreted as the root of most great evils in this time period

It can be interpreted as advancing the world to its current stage and creating wealth

you're mixing it with communism

>he's like our version of Donald Trump

I wish this meme would end. When he isn't playing a character Kevin is actually fairly serious and sensible, he isn't like Trump other than also being a CEO

>It's literally the fairest system of them all.

Explain yourself. Is social stratification ideal for you? Is life better when our lives are attached to harsh hierarchies?

>creating wealth

for who, pray tell?

I love capitalism

Also

>it's a Robert gets bullied episode

Because corporations have overtaken and destroyed all chance of good competition from happening. because some companies can't compete to the low prices of the products they sell.

Also these corporation entities have so much money that they pay to advertise themeselves to the point where people FUCKING KNOW they exist but rather try to indoctrinate the common citizen when those millions of dollars being spent on advertising themselves could be spent for better minimum wage for their workers.

Like seriously, everyone knows what the fuck a Mcdonalds is, same with a fucking Target and Wal-mart.

Put those millions to paying for their employees healthcare or something.

No I'm not. Global capitalism has won war of ideas for the time being, not communism. International worker solidarity is desperately needed

>When he isn't playing a character Kevin is actually fairly serious and sensible

Well yeah.

I watched his interviews, he's a really reasonable and nice guy. I guess he's not like Donald Trump in that he doesn't go off the rails and say edgy things. He's actually pretty reasonable and can be well-liked since he doesn't say outrageous things.

But he's also very liberal on social issues, so there's that.

>Is life better when our lives are attached to harsh hierarchies?

Hierarchies are a natural occurrence in society.

>for who, pray tell?

For the entire world. Capitalism has undoubtedly advanced the world more than any other economic system ever. And we are much better for it.

Watch this video:

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yeah i remember when i was in 9th grade listening to RATM too m8
it does get better tho, your parents start to allow you to go to parties n stuff

your basically just describing the differences between the typical canadian and the typical american anyway

The average Canadian is mentally retarded

and the average american is much worse, you're fine

quiet you

>The average human is mentally retarded

Fixed

Why does that matter?

The average Canadian is so incredibly uneducated about the world it's astonishing

>Is life better when our lives are attached to harsh hierarchies?
Social classes are not a hierarchy (you don't obey to members of a higher class), and they're not specially "harsh" either.

>creating wealth for who?
For everyone. Wealth is more than money. It is the computer you use to read this. It is the clothes you wear, the education you get, the books you read (including the commie ones), etc.

A based frenchman?

I thought all of France was antifa and muslims

The best pisa results were in Quebec btw. I'm not sure what the "average" Canadian is. I've lived in Quebec, Ontario and Albarta and they are like three different countries.

being antifa =/= being anti-commie tho

This is true, but Canadians always know at least a little about Canada and the USA. That is 2, while burgers only know about USA, that is 1.

Take pride that we marginally beat one other country :^)

>Hierarchies are a natural occurrence in society.

kek. the "capitalism happened naturally" meme has to die.

>For the entire world

lads, we have a bootlicker here

>why do you hate being exploited, dirty prol?

They are absolutely hierarchies, just indirectly. Your average middle class person will by chance have authority over a given working class person in countless contexts. be it a policeman, manager, banker or whatever

do you have an argument as to why RATM is wrong, or are you just going to be sarcastic?

>kek. the "capitalism happened naturally" meme has to die

How did it not?
>lads, we have a bootlicker here
What? Capitalism has objectively and unironically advanced the entire world significantly.

Capitalism isn't a zero sum game. Watch the quick 3 minute video i linked

Good

>Social classes are not a hierarchy (you don't obey to members of a higher class),

this is just blatantly false

>and they're not specially "harsh" either.

so you can just go to a slum in India and just fit right in, you basically have the same material conditions right?

> It is the computer you use to read this. It is the clothes you wear, the education you get, the books you read (including the commie ones), etc.

Why exactly is capitalism required for these things? There are multiple modes of production and means of distribution you know

that's such a british thing, though. ever heard of being polite to the banker/guy who comes to fix your window/policeman/etc? everyone gets along great here.

lol you're unironically 12 lmao

>Your average middle class person will by chance have authority over a given working class person in countless contexts

Are middle class people not working or something?

Good job genius, you figured out hierarchies naturally exist in society... You don't mean to tell me... that WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT... and that SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN OTHERS???!!!!

>When he isn't playing a character Kevin is actually fairly serious and sensible,

So Trump?

>How did it not?

it was instituted by force by the owning class, the current holders of the means of production. private property is not an inherent quality of society, in fact it is extremely recent

>Capitalism has objectively and unironically advanced the entire world significantly.

If you blindly ignore the flaws of any system and use high praise rather than factual evidence, you can say that about anything

>lol you're unironically 12 lmao

if a 12 year old did have a more well thought out perspective on politics than you did, how would that make you feel?

>that SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE VALUABLE THAN OTHERS???!!!!

straight from the trashcan of ideology

What are you on about? It has literally nothing to do with how people get on
So you concede the point then, albeit in a childish way

I really hate freedom, jews, usury and office-managerial culture stemming from the french revolution (the revolution of bureaucrats and shopkeepers) tbqhwy

>muh appeal to nature fallacy
Is there any other reason you people can give when defending hierarchies and inequality than "cuz it's natural"?

Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best and fairest system that has ever existed

>straight from the trashcan of ideology

So you think people are all the same? Some people aren't more productive, more hardworking, more creative or more talented than others?

>Is there any other reason you people can give when defending hierarchies and inequality than "cuz it's natural"?

Yeah. My reason is what other system can you have other than hierarchies?

How can you deny that some people are simply better than others in certain things?

>Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best and fairest system that has ever existed

Again, you can say that about anything if you blindly ignore the flaws

>So you think people are all the same? Some people aren't more productive, more hardworking, more creative or more talented than others?

No, but the idea of seeing people for their "value" a.k.a. ability to make somebody else rich is capitalist brainwashing

Yeah cus i wanna make some cash money baby

well fucking done

Capitalism is a spook.

People aren't the same but you shouldn't treat people as less than human. Capitalism in its purest form looks for profitable units it can derive from labour, that ever present search for the extra skim off the top degrades humanity and rewards unethical behaviour.

This is basic stuff Canuck

>Again, you can say that about anything if you blindly ignore the flaws

What flaws?

Just about every flaw of Capitalism can be attributed to government intervention, which I agree with you, is wrong. The government's influence should be kept at an absolute minimum.

>No, but the idea of seeing people for their "value" a.k.a. ability to make somebody else rich is capitalist brainwashing

Well how else can we see value in people?

>Make someone else rich
You can make yourself rich you know

>. Capitalism in its purest form looks for profitable units it can derive from labour, that ever present search for the extra skim off the top degrades humanity and rewards unethical behaviour.

^^^ this!

Spooks are a spook.

>Capitalism in its purest form looks for profitable units it can derive from labour, that ever present search for the extra skim off the top degrades humanity and rewards unethical behaviour.

Sounds like human nature to me

Socialism is dominant here, but capitalism still has numerous friends that know how to argue.

It's not "having authority" on someone, it's paying her (directly or not) to accomplish a task she chose herself. The working class person can leave at any time, and do whatever she wants. Thus there is no proper hierarchy. It is a contract.

Social classes aren't harsh since you can move up and down so easily.

There are multiple modes of production, but only one (capitalism) succeeded in designing, producing, selling and maintaining your computer. Communism wasn't able to do this.

it's not "authority" if you're just talking to a person who's doing his job, sorry, i can't agree

That's not an excuse for anything. Just because something is natural doesn't make it acceptable.

>Just about every flaw of Capitalism can be attributed to government intervention, which I agree with you, is wrong.

>>>reddit.com/r/libertarian

>Well how else can we see value in people?

is this a serious question? be creative!

>You can make yourself rich you know

Do you really think anyone and everyone can do that user? Look at the top 1000 richest people, top 10000. How did they get there user? Did they do it all on their own? I think you are missing some crucial details here

>people better at things than the other = hiearchies
Don't you see any logical flaws in here?
How being better at something relates to social hierarchy based on ownership of means of production?

Yes but how will you all of a sudden break human nature?

Yes there are some flaws but I'm just not seeing any reasonable alternatives presented that aren't far worse

I could have a normal conversation with the prime minister of the UK.

Has this got a slightest bit of relevance to our societal influence and power? No.

>Sounds like human nature to me

Why? There are wahabbi clerics in Saudi Arabia who insist women should wear burkas and not drive because not respecting the "natural" differences of gender would be against human nature. Do you agree with them? I mean, you can see that different cultures can create and enforce different standards of what is natural right?

lol yes it does, it's pretty much what makes it acceptable
this is why being gay is acceptable

>>>>reddit.com/r/libertarian

Is that suppose to be an insult or something?

>Look at the top 1000 richest people, top 10000. How did they get there user?

Maybe they produced more value to society?

In order to make $1,000,000(other than directly stealing it from other people's pockets) you need to PRODUCE and get people to hand you over $1,000,000 by giving them value.

I don't see how you think people make money without producing any value. How can that possibly be true in your world?

the prime minister is not your boss, if anything you're his boss since you voted for him and he technically lives to serve you.
the only thing in there can't be called "authority" more like respect for the position. you respect the idea of a prime minister.

>Social classes aren't harsh since you can move up and down so easily.

kek. probably bait, but this is blatantly false. working class people by and large have working class children and the bourgeouise inherit through blood for the most part

>but only one (capitalism) succeeded in designing, producing, selling and maintaining your computer. Communism wasn't able to do this.

if communism could produce one of the world's most advanced space programs, how can it not produce a computer? there are already fully functioning co-ops for computer workers, it's not really that unrealistic. you are conflating labor itself with the way it is organized, I think

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Capitalism is great for the most part but has its faults as well. Natural monopolies like ISPs are almost impossible to avoid.

>and do whatever she wants
Like die from hunger on the streets?
>can move up and down so easily
>easily
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>Maybe they produced more value to society?
>In order to make $1,000,000(other than directly stealing it from other people's pockets) you need to PRODUCE and get people to hand you over $1,000,000 by giving them value.

Before I get into detail with this, how old are you?

>>and do whatever she wants
>Like die from hunger on the streets?

Why should someone who doesn't produce be kept around?

actually i'm spouting out shit, of course it's authority, god i need to sleep

if someone wore all of those clothes and had more well thought out political opinions than you, how would you feel?

I am 20 years old.

How old are you? And further, are you a NEET or an otherwise minimum wage/close to minimum wage employee? What is your current networth?

What is your present job title?

>Why should someone who doesn't produce be kept around?

ahahahahahaahahahaha. your probably a lost cause dude but for everyone reading this, THIS is exactly why I don't like capitalism

Authority. The power or right to make or influence decisions.

And you're trying to tell me I have more away than the PM. Lay off the drugs.

i would still feel disgusted by the choice in looks

c yes which is why you need to grow up and realize things aren't for free

Spoken like a true socialist.
Indeed why do we need bourgeous if they don't produce anything and intead live by parasiting on fruits of labour of working class.

>your probably a lost cause dude but for everyone reading this, THIS is exactly why I don't like capitalism

Because you realized you don't produce anything?

I think it's quite clear you're either a NEET or an easily replaceable minimum wage employee.

The only way you survive is by stealing other people's money via men with guns known as the government

>How did they get there user? Did they do it all on their own?

If it was as easy as "just hire people and exploit them XDDDD", everyone could become a billionaire (which is logically impossible since there would be no one to hire in the first place). Do you think Bill Gates has no special merit? (Inb4 the inheritance strawman, most billionaires are self-made.)

Now, in a developed country, everyone can become a millionaire quite easily, even the working class people with an initial capital of $0. Save money, invest wisely, and let compound interest work.

>Indeed why do we need bourgeous if they don't produce anything and intead live by parasiting on fruits of labour of working class

Wow becoming a member of the "bourgeois" sounds so easy!

So all I need to do is just start a company and employ people to exploit them and make billions? Great, where's your billions?

>2016
>not supporting a low regulation free market with a decent welfare system

t. former le edgy Marxist, now I'm Keynesian.

how come you're not a millionaire then uh
checkmate atheits

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Kevin is based and he triggers leftists

>Societal value = market worth
Good fucking goy we have one who fell hook line and sinker

Kevin is liberal as fuck, he's just not a retarded socialist

OK, so in short, the richest people do not get rich for producing anything. They get rich by owning the means of production (usually inherited straight from daddy about 90% of the time) and using it to exploit the labor of people who fill rich lad's pockets. Rich lad is detached from the labor, makes more money than can be spent in a life time, and occupies his time figuring out new ways to hoard the money more than on "business". If you cannot amass extreme wealth without access to the means of production and means to exploit a labor force, then no not anyone can "create value for themselves" because *the majority* of the population has to sell their labor to rich lad in order to survive. If everybody had the means to produce within their own communities and for their own benefit rather than making someone else rich - then it would be capitalism. That my friend, would be socialism

Waiting for a response to this btw.

I want the socialists ITT to tell me their present job title and networth and age.

>>Societal value = market worth
>Good fucking goy we have one who fell hook line and sinker

Gee...

And tell me, who decides the "MARKET WORTH"?

Could it be, perhaps, SOCIETY?

This canadian is making me cringe and i'm pro capitalism. You don't happen to be the same faggot posting those self improvement threads do you?

Logical inequality there mate. All brown dogs are not all brown animals.

Trump is a public persona as well family

>stealing other people's money via men with guns known

oh god why do all reddit libertarians talk the same way?

haha this

>If it was as easy as "just hire people and exploit them XDDDD", everyone could become a billionaire (which is logically impossible since there would be no one to hire in the first place). Do you think Bill Gates has no special merit? (Inb4 the inheritance strawman, most billionaires are self-made.)

this argument, ironically, is a strawman

since when did the trend of "whichever political opinion makes the most people upset is the one i like" become cool? its kinda stupid

>invest wisely
Great advice man, changed my life.

The point was that it's not easy for majority.
But who knows, maybe this user can share with us his secrets how to become a millionaire.

>the richest people do not get rich for producing anything. They get rich by owning the means of production

How did they obtain the means of production?

>(usually inherited straight from daddy about 90% of the time)

Source? The majority of billionaires and millionaires are self-made.

The people who DO inherit money blow it all. Generally Wealth is lost in about 1-3 generations. Any wealth held past 3 generations is considered incredibly rare and is usually some huge dynasty like the Rockefellers or Waltons or something.

>makes more money than can be spent in a life time

Who are you to say how much is too much money for someone?

>If you cannot amass extreme wealth without access to the means of production and means to exploit a labor force, then no not anyone can "create value for themselves" because *the majority* of the population has to sell their labor to rich lad in order to survive

Why are there so many self-made millionaires and billionaires then?

>If everybody had the means to produce within their own communities and for their own benefit rather than making someone else rich - then it would be capitalism

You can start a business with next to nothing.

lol he's been drinking the libertarian talking point kool aid for too long to have basic self awareness

Capitalism is pure shit and America is a perfect example desu

>The point was that it's not easy for majority.

Why isn't it easy?

The way you're describing it is that starting a business you just sit back and do nothing and the money just drips into your offshore bank account while you laugh at the poor working class people and drink their tears.

Age, Networth and Job title?