What was Intel thinking releasing Skyshit-X?

What was Intel thinking releasing Skyshit-X?

Even worse, marketing it for gamers?

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Breakdown.

Some DX12 games are really acting funky, while their DX11 renderpath is perfectly fine on Ryzen

Unboxed blames Nvidia for this but I'm not even sure anymore

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They though that more L2 cache would help it not to be starved for bandwidth.

That is pretty much it.

The absolute state of JUSTel

>hot as fuck
>expensive
>sucks for gaymen
>mediocre workstation performance
It's over, Threadripper won before it's even released.

>Mafia 3

>every new patch seems to lower Ryzen performance while boost Intel performance, I don't know what's up with that.
>at launch Ryzen was beating 7700k in this game

Lmao

>Even worse, marketing it for gamers?
Because gamers tend to buy overpriced shit and Intel likes money.

Who the fuck still plays (or ever played) mafia 3?

Apparently Intel considers it important if they have to pay developers to gimp

by 1% you mean the a=.99 , 1-a quantile? for what purpose?

4.0ghz vs 4.7ghz only 1 fps better

zen2 would kill

different cache strategy means that programs optimized for the old cache will run slower with the new CPUs.

Cooling setup for that Skylake costs more than the entire am4 platform

10% worse than deliddis that costs 50% more.

1600 is a steal especially with b350 boards

They though copying Bulldozer caches was a good idea (hint: it was not, large chucks of L3 made Core good).

You can't optimize EVERYTHING to use private L2.
Most programs live and die on shared L3.

>0.7 Ghz higher
>only beats Ryzen by 8%

Really make you think

No nigguhurz will help with L3 deficit.

Why did they cheap out on L3 cache though ? Is it because there were hardware limitations or because they were too greedy?

It's because they went for "larger private L2" route,, while forgetting Core and most software lives and dies on large chunks of shared L3.
Fuck Intel themselves pushed large chunks of very fast L3 in Nehalem as main source of performance boost and now they are going fucking backwards.

>mfw R5 1600 masterrace

holy moley

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What?

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twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/888225519141093376

this was basically unheard of outside pushing 5.5+ghz on LN attempts

Holy moley
what the fuck
It's been YEARS since i've seen burned pins on CPUs.

What the FUCK is Intel doing?

Welp, if Zen2 can really hit north of 4.5GHz clocks, I don't know if Intel will even have the gaming advantage anymore.

You jest? They perform 100% on par.

Try 5ghz.
globalfoundries.com/sites/default/files/product-briefs/7lp-product-brief.pdf

It's 5ghz.
It's a node intended for POWER first which means absolutely nuclear over-powering clockspeeds.

Where's the 1700? Should be slightly faster than a 1600 in gaming.

Quite the contrary. Not a single game can efficiently utilize more than 12 threads right now.

Not due to that, due to the need to do less IF > CCX hops on 4 core CCX chips like R7, should improve perf in gaming by a few %

Windows 10 hops threads around CCXs like it's nothing regardless if it's 1700 or 1600.
This guy has a quick rundown on the problem
youtube.com/watch?v=40h4skxDkh4

Pretty sure the 1700 performs within .1% of the 1600 in all games. Only time it makes a difference would be cinebench and other not-gaming properly multithreaded applications that can supply enough of a workload for the extra cores to matter.

1600X and 1800X have the same turbo and all core turbo clocks, 1800X is some 2% faster in gaming.

The effect should be the same with a 1600 and 1700 at 4.0
So yeah, there's obviously some SLIGHT benefit from doing less communication through IF when 3+ cores are used.

computerbase.de/2017-07/core-i-ryzen-ddr4-ram-benchmark/2/#diagramm-performancerating-fps-1920-1080

Of course faster and more consistent L3 hits will bring more perf but the difference is marginal at best.

is the 5 ghz the performance target of the same tdp as the 3 ghz they advertise for the 14lpp

Yeah, but it's still nice that there's more perf on the table, 8+ cores should really be bought if you have a need for them.

The 6 core Ryzens are by far the best perf for the money, for gaming and really decent multithreaded perf

>The 6 core Ryzens are by far the best perf for the money, for gaming and really decent multithreaded perf
Yes, hence why they are selling like hotcakes.

Performance, Power, Cost Advantage
from 7nm Area Scaling
>40% performance improvement at iso power (vs. 14nm)
>60% power reduction at iso frequency (vs. 14nm)
>Up to 30% lower die cost (vs. 14nm)

From the PDF.
These are just ballpark figures though. you're likely gonna be looking at Zen2 8 core with close to 5.0GHz single turbo at 95W, and all the cores around 4.4

I recently saw Adored blame Nvidia aswell
youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTZjugDeg
It's real indepth look at ryzen vs intel vs nvidia vs dx11 vs dx12

MUH SINGLE CORE IPC

AMD LIES. DON'T BUY AMD!

INTEL IS GOOD TO YOU. AMD IS BANKRUPT!!!!!

You don't need it unless you write AVX-512 asm yourself

Skylake-X is an abortion, what else is new.

> you're likely gonna be looking at Zen2 8 core with close to 5.0GHz single turbo at 95W, and all the cores around 4.4

i assume the 40% figure is including the enhanced euv lithography in which case you wont see it until zen3? still i dont see how intel can possibly keep pace with that kind of process advancement given that it's coming along with architectural improvements if i understood mark papermaster correctly

No, its for DUV.

EUV is just increased density and lower cost, electrostatic characteristics remain the same as DUV

wew lad

>>Up to 30% lower die cost (vs. 14nm)

What the fuck
This process is fucking whack

What do you mean?

Usually new processes cost significantly more than the previous ones when starting out until yields stabilize, ask Intel.
This implies that 7nm LP from Glofo/IBM is expected to have really good yields from the start.

The elephant in the room is that this was ran with a 1080ti.

On a 1080p monitor.
Go to 1440p or 4k and the 7700k's 10% advantage vanishes.

They are working closely with AMD and doing risk production runs starting H1 2018.
Also their yields on 14nm LPP are stellar.
It took time but GloFo unJUSTed itself.

>4.7ghz vs 4.0ghz
>B-but 1080p

kys

Of course the advantage vanishes, it's because the game would then be GPU limited and not testing the CPUs at all you fucking moron

Has 7nm LP completely fucking dehumanized Intel?


DUV has
>similar density
>higher performance
>lower Vmin
>lower mask count

Meanwhile EUV just a few quarters latter will have
>higher density
>even lower cost

Intel's 10nm seems like an abortion on the level of a Skylake-X

DUV has higher density.
7nm LP offers MUCH denser SRAM.

So if I game with a high res monitor why would I care about 1080p performance?

These gaming benchmarks are nothing more than "WHAT IF" performance, not actual real life performance.

At 1080p you use Polaris, or 1070/1060.
Not a fucking 1080ti

It is indicative of FUTURE performance differences when games become much more CPU intensive you 89iq simpleton.

Oh no, it's retarded.

I'm afraid retards have no means to appraise other's intellectual capabilities.

No fucking way they will release this Q2 of 2018.

I am so fucking hype, even if they have the same performance as Zen1 but at better temps and lower power consumption, it's still gonna be a day 1 buy for me.

It's probably early Q4 for Zen2.
Also it's definitely higher performance.
AMD will go for the throat.

But then does that mean that they will skip the 14+ process from their roadmap and go right for the kill with 7nm?

A Zen1 refresh would be nice, esp. since AM4 is going to be viable for a few more years.

Both Zen and Vega on 14nm+ are APU components.

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But it's just 6core model.
Why.
What the fuck.

SHUUUUUUUUUUUUT UUUUUUUUUUUUUP

HAHAHAHAHAHA
*breathes*
HAHAHAHAHAHA

ITS wORKING AS INTENDED

Nice, did they spill any more beans on when we can expect new APU devices? I wonder if my friend should put off buying an AIO.

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>Nice, did they spill any more beans on when we can expect new APU devices?
H2 2017 for APUs, probably early Q4.
They need to finish Vega drivers first.

I wonder if Coffee Lake will have the same gimped cache arrangment and thus be a downgrade from Kaby Lake for gamers.

Yes this future where games won't become any more multi-thread aware, even though they already are doing that. i5 is the perfect gaming CPU guys!

No, it's 12mb of L3 for 6core model.
Clocks though...

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They had to do SOMETHING for the sake of appearances.

What is it made of? Magic and dreams?
>tfw the era of AMD is actually starting

Pure condensed Nazi science designed to extreminate Jew menace in HPC.

If 7nm is going to make Zen2 so insanely overpowered, what will it do to Navi? I'm so excited

Please be removing this

make it passable

>what will it do to Navi?
Very very dense and peformant base dies for MCM.

whats even better is coffee lake is going to have the same problems going from ring bus to mesh architecture, you think it will just a 7700k with 2 extra cores? hahahaha

>you think it will just a 7700k with 2 extra cores?
It is, also moar cachez and lower clocks.

>4ghz r5 1600 as good as 4.7ghz i7 7800x in gayming
Wow, just wow. They completely fucked up IPC with their bingbusmesh

aren't they going to shrink it to that 10nm meme? I don't think they withdrawed from following their tick-tock way

Coffee Lake will still be bingbus.
Mesh is only for Xeon and SKL-X (aka badly binned beta Xeons)

its more then that, dont you find it odd a 7800k @ 4.7 is 11 fps behind the 7700k @ 4.9?..... .2 GHz doesn't add that much performance its a change its the change to mesh architecture trying to copy ryzen

No, it's Skylake refresh.
Also Intel's 10nm node is poo.
It's not mesh, it's caches. 7800x is L3 starved.

hope your right if not its going to be garbage

It's already shit due to clocks.

i5s are getting HT right? they will actually be better for gaming with coffee lake the meme will finally become true

In terms of actual IPC, the ryzen beats or ties with the intel parts.
Intel just stays ahead because they're running their chips at toasty speeds.