This is where we wait for the latest AMD graphics card which AMD will surely release in a timely manner and will definitely blow all of our minds, no questions asked, 100% guaranteed, no chance it'll fail, just you wait.
Last time: RX Vega is arriving in Portland for PDXLAN today through this weekend. You know the drill, if you're attending PDXLAN, go take some videos and leak them here, then leak them to VideoCardz so they can then be leaked here too.
Last stop is the big reveal at SIGGRAPH 2017 on July 30th.
What I keep seeing is that a $230 GTX 460 has a larger die size than the $599 GTX 1080.
They lost a hell of a lot of money on the 460 or are robbing people blind with the 1080
Charles Gutierrez
>7'11", Overweight >Speaks some Afrikaans, Dropped out of High School >Smokes regularly, Does drugs often, Has kid(s) and wants more
Jeremiah Fisher
Guess why nvidia's revenue skyrocketed with Pascal?
Benjamin Sanchez
The 1080 was a more complex node than the 460. Complexity always results in higher manufacturing costs.
Logan Thompson
1070 performance for 1080 price and 290X2 power consumption cofirmed.
AMD is finished and bankrupt.
Luke James
>Trades blows with a Quadro P6000 in geometry bound pro workloads >1070 performance ?
Aaron Cook
Wait for confirmation of flawed hardware that can never be fixed.
Jason Morgan
So your claim is that the following new Vega uarch features are disabled in the Vega FE gaming drivers because the silicon is flawed and they CANNOT be activated?
So primitive shaders, tile based rasterization, advanced clock gating, AVFS, and HBCC are all broken in silicon?
Alexander Stewart
Yup the hardware is borked gonna need new silicon.
Josiah Reyes
Now that they confirmed it is just a 1080 that costs $50 less I think I will skip this gen. I was hoping they would do better given they had an extra 13 months on nvidia.
Juan Bell
>I was hoping they would do better given they had an extra 13 months on nvidia.
>nvidia >dedicated to building GPUs >can spend billions on R&D
>AMD >have to split money between CPUs and GPUs >Zen is essential for the future of the company >RTG gets starved of cash >Wonder why shit like Vega can get pushed out of the door
Jonathan Hernandez
Where have they confirmed this?
Ryan Bell
Poland demos. They alluded to the price being $200 cheaper for the system.
The differences were card, psu, and freesync vs nsync. So psu and freesync is $125-$150 cheaper on the vega build so $75-$50 cheaper for the gpu. That test, all other tests, leaks, etc, place performance at standard clocked 1080.
At best vega oc may edge over 1080 oc, but we will have to wait until they release to know for sure.
Liam Mitchell
They will probrably do a similar demo in Portland so may get more specifics.
Hudson Nguyen
>Poland Budapest is in Hungary.
Isaac Sanders
2.6 times more expensive, really?
Isaiah White
If your hardware is that uncomoetitice, why release at all?
Jonathan Flores
Because there's profit to be made from it, dumbo.
William Reed
They said $300 cheaper, and didn't say which parts were included in that calculation, so this post is entirely speculation. People still hope it's $100-$150 cheaper than 1080.
Lincoln Sullivan
>So psu and freesync is $125-$150 cheaper What, they used a cheaper PSU for Vega which is a >300W card compared to a 180W reference 1080? Or do you mean more expensive PSU + cheaper monitor still comes out $125-150 cheaper in total?
Yes, you can spend less when your single graphics card doesn't come with a 375W TDP.
Isaac Ward
If the card actualy was cheaper than a 1080, they would just say the card is cheaper and that would be the selling point.
Them dragging in other components but being very mysterious about what models they actualy are and then saying its cheaper makes me believe it might be the same price or even more expensive than a 1080.
Which would make sense considering how big the die size is and it has HBM2
Jeremiah Lee
And then that retard comes back asking for advice on what cards he can get for his PSU because he is now stuck with it because he does not want to buy a new PSU with each GPU.
I bought an AX 850 for £124.24 in 2010 and it has seen 3 CPU's (Phenom II X4 955 to 5930k) and 6 GPU's (some SLI/crossfire) without any concerns. I can't see it needing replacing any time soon, so overall it made much more sense to get that initially rather than buying a specific PSU for a specific setup. Buy once and buy right. Won't see me complaining about one GPU costing £5 more a year in electricity or that I was too dumb to buy a decent PSU to support whatever comes next.
Luis Scott
That's irrelevant, my question was in regards to the demoed Vega system supposedly using a cheaper PSU, which makes no sense for a card which could literally be a model with more than double TDP than a 1080 (375W vs 180W).
Ayden Harris
yeah, the silicon breaks when playing games but not while doing profesional 3d rendering and compute
Mason Williams
Don't worry user, I'm sure RX Vega will be as fast in games in 2021 as a GTX 1080Ti, AMD is bound to get some drivers which make use of all its wondrous features for general purpose gaming too by then.
Hunter Myers
You are comparing a AIO Vega FE against a blower 1080 FE (which is 186W btw)? Granted neither seem to be very good at maintaining clock speeds.
Noah Lewis
Poland, Hungary, who cares? They're all gypsies.
Anthony Ward
What time will that portland lan start?
Jose Young
Would anyone even mind another Hawaii? Shit still's a beast.
Ethan Wright
You guys have a real misunderstanding of the differences in the pipeline between a gaming workload and a rendering workload You can keep thinking it's going to be a 1080ti, but that doesn't matter when every single leak shows otherwise, you can keep screaming about "THEY TURNED OFF THE MAGIC SMOKE FEATURES WHEN THEY ARE ENABLED THEY WILL BE LIKE TWO 1080S" it's never gonna be true
Just take the loss this time around, and we'll all start waiting for Navi, you guys are hindus you're good at waiting
Justin Gonzalez
Hoo boy are you fucking retarded?
Zachary Butler
That was a great counter argument you presented Really activated my smuckers
Brody Fisher
Oh, have a (You).
Mason Russell
>They think that tweet is about vega
Jacob Cruz
what tweet?
Nolan Gray
>everybody always talking about the high end Why does nobody care about the budget cards?
Josiah Lee
Something needs to be shoved into APUs
Wyatt Howard
Because the high end is where technology is driven, and the technology in high end cards one year is given to budget option cards two or three years later. Yes, that's a two or three year wait, but that's the price you pay if you want to pay the lowest possible price for worthwhile upgrades.
Gavin Cruz
that's saying that a rx560 performs like a r9 380 user
Evan Diaz
Well not quite that soon then, but the point stands. The 470 is pretty safely in the "budget" zone I'd say. Easily the same power or better than the 7970Ghz edition.
Benjamin Taylor
>Sup Forumsermin literally doesn't even know enough about GPU's to know what any of the new Vega uarch features even ARE, much less what they DO >Decides to vomit out his utterly worthless opinions anyway Sup Forumsiddiots should be gassed, I swear.
Noah Stewart
He said pipeline! That means he's smart!
Anthony Bennett
Because they are available
Anthony Murphy
@61495499 Sorry, you'll have to work a little harder if you want a (You).
Adam Hall
>@ Newfag detected.
Nathaniel Mitchell
Incredible counter argument I'm sure your triangular v8 rasterization dual cylinder 4.5 liter compute engine will beat nvidia this time What is your excuse going to be when vega inevitably shits out? Backhand tactics? Muh silicon jew?
Caleb Powell
I understand that you are very frustrated that no one will engage with your mindless shitposting, but unfortunately you haven't demonstrated enough of an understanding of how GPUs work to even be worth arguing with.
The minimum barrier to entry is to be able to explain the apparent massive contradiction between being able to trade blows with a Quadro P6000 in geometry bound pro workloads while apparently also performing like a 1080 in games.
Both should not be able to be true at the same time.
Evan White
>both should not be able to be true at the same time Quadros used to be good shit at gaming So far you've shown no benchmarks with your magic 1080ti features
Here are some gaymen workloads though
Jace Flores
It's actually $200 more expensive than 1080 since the Gsync Monitor was $500 more than the freesync one
Jose Wood
You cannot even manage the minimum necessary level of coherence to actually get across whatever nonsense it is you are trying to say, and here you are trying to argue about things you don't understand in the slightest.
Please try again, but in English this time, autismo.
Ian Collins
Not an argument Burden of proof is on you for your magic gaymen features
Camden Lee
Unfortunately I'm unwilling to take the time to hand hold you through understanding how GPUs work well enough to even have an argument about that Vega FE's numbers do or don't mean for Rx Vega, so you will have to remain frustrated.
Cooper Davis
I've already provided valid performance scores from RX Vega You've provided nothing but FE rendering workloads
Julian Rogers
You are stupid....
Anthony Collins
>Valid Why would they be valid? Literally every single new Vega uarch feature is still disabled in drivers. if you deactivate all AVX instructions on an Intel CPU and then benchmark it in AVX workloads, is that a valid benchmark?
Jace Thompson
*in gaming drivers, I should clarify
Michael Morris
You have no proof of your special features being of any benefit or having any affect on performance All you provide is speculation, I gave numbers
GN's article proves that Vega's Advanced Clock Gating isn't working at all, and that Adaptive Voltage & Frequency Scaling are in a failsafe mode where 1.2v is being used regardless of clocks. This is why GN was able to increase the performance of Vega FE by undervolting it to 1.09v and ~280w.
HBCC and Primitive Shader are also disabled currently in gaming drivers.
Just to maybe get to to at least TRY and educate yourself a little bit, here is a nice article about what the implementation of TBR meant for Nvidia in going from Kepler to Maxwell:
Now show the scores for when all of these apparent disabled features are enabled If you can't, then stop speculating it will improve the performance by 7000 points
Bentley Sanders
>Now show the scores for when all of these apparent disabled features are enabled
I will. In nine days. Until then no one can have a solid idea of how Rx Vega will perform as there are simply too many wildcards that could have too large an effect on the gaming performance depending on whether they are implemented and how effectively they are implemented at launch.
And anyone who wants to claim any different must, at minimum, explain the apparent massive contradiction between Vega's gaming performance and geometry bound pro application performance and why they believe Vega's new uarch features won't make much of a difference to gaming performance or power consumption.
Lucas Lewis
Then stop implying 1080ti performance when every imperial metric points to otherwise
Bentley Wilson
>Then stop implying 1080ti performance when every imperial metric points to otherwise The only thing I have implied is that you don't understand the slightest thing about GPUs and your entire participation in this thread has consisted of nothing but utterly mindless shitposting.
I never made any claim that Vega would perform at a specific level in gaming, because there are still far too many unknowns, but that also means that all of the Sup Forumsiddiots screeching about how Vega is DOA or 1080 level are talking complete nonsense and should go back to their own board if they can't be bothered to actually fucking learn something about the subject they are shitposting about.
Josiah Walker
600W 2Ghz Vega on LN2 when?
Gavin Morales
Literally everyone knows it's not going to be 1080 It's between a 1080 and a 1080ti
Jordan Nelson
>knows Just go back to Sup Forums. You clearly have no interest in making the slightest effort to learn anything, and your mindless shitposting will fit in much better there.
Juan Rivera
convince me not to click order
Jaxon Carter
Do it the 1080ti is better than Rx vega
Or wait for Navi
Kevin Lopez
Do you even have a 4k display? or a fast enough CPU for 144hz gaming? If you don't have either free-sync is always cheaper, and you don't need a hybrid 1080ti in any case
Jose Watson
whats a good cpu for 144Hz gaymen?
not them
Elijah Bell
Just buy a FTW3, you don't need water cooling on Pascal.
Dominic Thomas
R7 or i7@5ghz probably Ryzen so you don't have to delid your CPU and run it on a 240mm AIO
Justin Howard
A delidded, water-cooled, overclocked (at least 4.9) 7700k.
An overclocked R7 would also be fine (at least 3.8, but getting a chip that could hit 4.0 would be ideal).
Levi Bell
Hmm I guess 1700 it is
Jaxon Williams
>Just Wait
Fuck that. Managed to scoop up a 1080 in that recent newegg sale a couple days ago for 499. Literally got the last one by a matter of seconds. Vega rx has been looking like trash all along and there's nothing to suggest it will be much faster than a 1080 any way.
Gavin Cox
AMD defense force incoming
Wyatt Evans
Are there going to be AMD cpus with integrated gpus this year? I want to upgrade but I don't need a graphics card
Jacob Howard
Yes
Nicholas White
So just buy ryzen with any cheap $25 GPU?
Lincoln Lee
the heck do you need new GPU in summer? there are no games to play.
Blake Flores
>Good goy
Daniel Brown
1500W LN2
Jason Adams
Buy a good board and at least 4133mhz ram with that i7
5ghz with ddr4 4500
Adrian Phillips
>Trades blows with full gp102 in geometry bound pro workloads >nothing to suggest it will be much faster than a 1080 any way. ?
