"communism is good"

>"communism is good"

>"b...but user, what about MUH 100 GORILLION DEATHS"

THEY
DESERVED
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Communism can only exist in the absence of the state.

>100 GORILLION DEATHS
Its because they are russians not communist

Applied communism was all about progress. Human lives were secondary.
If the whole world were like that our concept of what's a good life would be different, and we would achieve things way more easily

Marx was a naive f*cktard for thinking anyone gaining power in a bloody revolution to hand away any power they've gotten willingly. Maybe some weird saint personality would be capable of doing that but such kind of a personality would almost never strive for power to begin with.

1/10 bait

>100 GORILLION DEATHS

Biggest meme of all time. like 98% of those are deaths from starvation. If you were to blame capitalism for all circumstantial deaths, you'd be in the billions.

Protip: Next time someone tells you "muh 20 million Stalin", ask him, how exactly, those deaths come together.

Baaaait

Stalin did nothing wrong

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Wow. I'd never imagine communism to be so cozy and fluffy. Can I have one, daddy?

Communism was put into place without the intention to kill 100 million people. It failed in Russia because the economy stagnated and people lost the motivation to work, or innovate. China is communist with the CCP in place, but the only reason why they're able to remain a large influence is because of their free-market economy.

Personally, I'm not an advocate for communism, but looking at just death counts is retarded. Capitalism has killed many as well.

no, you'll just whine about it later like Poland

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>yellow star on ushanka
dropped

Agreed brother, hopefully a bright future with a world revolution lies ahead of us.

>it's American makes a half edgy, half autistic thread episode

Kill yourself tankie

die in a gulag, fascist scum

Curious if German Rapebabies with Stockholm Syndrome are as big into holocaust denial as they are into denials of Soviet atrocities.
After all, you have the opportunity to justify the Great Patriotic War (and the lies of Communism which followed were certainly built on that mythology), but you concede a victim point to the Jews, who figured greatly in Slav conspiracies.

Generally speaking, conspiracy theories are consanguineous. If you believe one, you are more likely to believe more of them. It's just interesting to watch when there's a conflict of interest.

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Americans who love communism should be thrown out of helicopters

kek

Americans who don't love communism should be sent to gulags in Nunavut.

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>>"communism is good"
but it literally isn't KEK
communism has never been tried, and never will be tried because it will NEVER fucking make it, I laugh at the division you gommies have, you either have the "B-BUT STALIN WAS A STATE CAPITALIST, NOT REAL COMMUNISM", you have these gommies who are in total denial of how shitty communism is by saying Mao, Stalin, Kim Sung, Khmer rouge, Venezuela etcetc are not socialist/communist because its never been tried, then you have the stalinist retards who would be gulagged within a month of living in a communist country because they disagreed on something with their dear leader

Enjoy your sluggish schizophrenia

>The "anti-Soviet" political behavior of some individuals — being outspoken in their opposition to the authorities, demonstrating for reform, and writing critical books — were defined simultaneously as criminal acts (e.g., a violation of Articles 70 or 190-1), symptoms of mental illness (e.g., "delusion of reformism"), and susceptible to a ready-made diagnosis (e.g., "sluggish schizophrenia").

Post yfw Americans even managed to ruin Communism

i have no fucking clue what point you're trying to make. or why you're so mad. or why you think op was saying communism was good.

ive been shitpost arguing with people on Sup Forums and /r9k/ all day user and now I have to give it away

I do think communism is shit tho

>i was only pretending to be retarded

American Communists these days are a bunch of old hippies. Fairly harmless.
I don't think the same could have been said of the USSR back in the day, however.

whatever helps you sleep at night user :^)

Commies are utter failures, their system gets everyone into poverty and death, no wealth to be distributed after capitalists and free trade are killed off. I shit on Che Guevara and CCCP, the latter of whom we had first-hand experience with unlike dumb commie fucks in the West who like the propaganda songs.

most socialist here genuinely don't understand how money works. they think you can just cut the military budget, raise taxes and dole it all out to the people because thats what europeans do but what they don't realize is that europeans only get to do that because 1. our massive military protects them and 2. those countries are pretty small comparatively and 3. our people are really fucking dumb compared to them and our culture is totally different because of it.

communists are even worse because western communists tend to be marxists which is basically just anarchy which would just end up creating a bunch of smaller, shittier countries in the long run. the only time communism works is in small, tribe level societies.

>soviet dissident handling
Well, not too different from what we're doing in the west...

>any intellectual opinion ever
> -dibs fedoras!
>someone giving a rational argument who might benefit
> -muh crazy conspiracy theorist!
>enter anyone apparently not triggerable with any of our methods
> -autist! psycho! pedophile!

>Sup Forums is real life

So much unnecessary talking makes up of for necessary gulag time.

>"user, did you know Stalin sent 100032590325 gorillon to the gulags?" not so communist anymore uh?

FUCK YOU EVERYTHING STALIN DID WAS PERFECT, THE ONLY MISTAKE HE MADE WAS NOT SENDING ENOUGH PEOPLE TO THE GULAGS

Communism is Jewish

this should be all the information you need

The Internet has the potential to affect people even more efficiently than mass media ever did.

Which one am I gonna get now? I'm guessing for the "conspiracy theorist" one.

the fact that you can't tell the difference between and intellectual point and a fedora post, or between a rational argument and a conspiracy theory tells me that you need to age about 5 years before you can have an opinion on anything anyone will care about.

>poverty
>death
>no wealth

But these are successes to the communists

i never claimed it didn't but what you're describing is Sup Forums. if your social media accounts look like this all the time you have shitty friends and if all you ever read about is sjw/pop culture bullshit then you're kind of at fault. youtube is full of interesting shit. heres a tip, every time you read something go read the opposing view and then decide whats right or true. stop reading buzzfeed tier bullshit and listening to alex jones level retardation while you're at it.

They look cool.

Because shitting at people over the internet is on the same level as sending someone to the gulag for disagreeing.

Swedes deserve to be cucked.

That was socialism actually. And Soviet socialism is terrifying unless you are a complete sheep.

I know - I lived it.

FYI "Communism" is the lie they tell the people under socialism.

One day the state will self aside when labor organizes itself... and viola, utopia.

But this never happens and the state just takes complete control of every facet of your life.

AND YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SURVIVED IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>the state just takes complete control of every facet of your life

Is that a bad thing? It's working well in Nordic countries.

Communism always make countries worse than their counterparts. Compare:

Austria to Hungary
South and North Korea
Cuba to Mexico
Ethiopia to Kenya

foy

>cuba to mexico
I'll take Cuba what the fuck

Except it's completely different. People aren't put into camps because they disagree with the norm.

Christ, commies have no sense of nuance. It's either all good or all bad.

You got it backwards. Compare Tzarist Russia to the Soviet Union. There was a massive rise in living standards. Those countries you mention were poor due to sanctions.

Yeah, if you have money it must be comfy living near the beach in a mansion in Cuba.

But besides Central American shitholes pretty much all Latin American countries are more prosperous than Cuba.

Yep

And he got super booty blasted when people pointed it out

But between 1917 and 1992 almost every country saw a increase in living standards.

That massive rise in living standards was due to industrialization that was going on in Tzarist Russia anyway. Stalin just brute forced it so that the process was sped up at the cost of a couple million dead political prisoners.

It's kinda retarded to compare Panama that has a major trade route running through it to an embargoed country like Cuba.

>government controls every facet of your life
why is that a bad thing though? if you have everything you want like clothes and entertainment and neat gadgets etc and everything you need like food and water and you have attainable goals like making more money or getting out of debt or buying that new neat thing is it really bad that the government is controlling everything behind the scenes? is complete freedom really necessary or even superior? because total freedom to me sounds like a pain in the ass.

Only the U.S. continued to embargo Cuba, and even now that's going away.

There's a reason you still see Cubans coming here on rafts every now and again and not the other way around.

Lot of people were dying in the Russian Empire. The brutal methods you attribute to communists were developed under the Tzar.

can you blame communism though? because communism in countries like cuba, russia, or china(which is mostly dying now), seems like an excuse to own people when marxism, as retarded as it may be, is the exact opposite.

Also compare China in 1970 and China in [current year]

And these same brutal methods would then be used by other commie countries taking after the USSR.

So congrats. Communism and the USSR will never be separated from one another.

>you will never live in the "glory days" of mao where you were married to Yuhan who worked at the factory and had six kids with you

Trying to remove the communist association from the USSR and PRC is like trying to remove the Nazi association with the Swastika. A fleeting idea that will never happen. The ideology shall be forever tainted by them.

thats fine but since everyone itt seems to understand the distinction can't we discuss it?

But isn't Marxist communism (stateless, classless society) a silly utopia?

oh for sure i'm not advocating it. i just think its silly to blame all of the problems of those countries on communism when we as a species have never actually tried communism(because its impossible to enforce by definition). what they were doing was something totally different.

But why should we bind the word "communism" to one guy's definition (Marx) and ignore Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Tito, Fidel, Ho Chi Mihn, etc?

He was also a rich kid who never did a full day's work in his life.

i guess you don't thats why we seperate it into communism and marxism now. but marx called it communism and its stupid to just let totalitarian dictators own the definition.

Ho Chi Minh was first and foremost a nationalist, and he actually had a pretty high opinion of France and America.

Communism was the means that he used to free his people, and although he appreciated aspects of socialist theory, he wasn't a pure communist at heart.

Can you at least admit it did good things such as free healthcare, labor unions, abolishing class, employment for women, and eradication of Polio?

afaik he's arguing that its fine to associate communism with things that actually happened outside of marxism which is fair. i don't think he's arguing the actual merits of communism.

Well, that was not my initial point, but I'm sure communists somewhere have dome some good deeds.

But I don't think a single-party Marxist-Leninist state is necessary to achieve those things.

And afaik no communist state did manage to abolish class.

They all call what their country achieved "socialism", not "communism." They were just ran by communist parties.

"Socialism never caught on in America because Americans don't see themselves as exploited poor, but temporarily disadvantaged millionaires."

-- John Steinbeck

would it be possible to enforce if we had a third party like ai, though? we teach it what we want (marxism) and tell it to not allow governments to form. would we get people joining together to fight the "tyranical" ai? or would we be so happy with complete freedom that we allowed it? and could you call yourself free if you were forced to be so?

>most socialist here genuinely don't understand how money works

As witnessed by their whining how a bunch of Donald Trump's business ventures folded. If you understood so much as elementary economics, you'd know that 50% of all businesses fail in their first three years

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>marxism, as retarded as it may be, is the exact opposite.

But marxism assumes the elite revolutionary class leading the revolution will just give up power when a nation is prepared for true socialism

Which is why cuba, russia, china, ect all turned into shitholes

i agree. they say he's a fuckup because he's declared bankruptcy multiple times but the fact that he's done that and come out on top implies he knows what he's doing. another argument against him is that he comes from money as if thats somehow a bad thing in a nation where everyone wants to give their kids the same advantage, see. i don't know if i will vote for him and i'm leaning towards no but i'm so sick of these retarded arguments against him

>>"b...but user, what about MUH 100 GORILLION DEATHS"
Ukrainians aren't people

exactly its the opposite of a dictatorship, which is no government, which is impossible. the vacuum created with no government leads to terrible government ergo communism is shit.

If America is capitalistic then why am I posting on American site for free?

Daily reminder the 6,000,000 died only of Typhus and Starvation.

>free
Enjoy getting eye raped by J-list so that Hiroshimoot can line his pockets

see

Life under communizm:

*The state has total control over your life--where you can attend school, where you can live, what jobs you can have
*Food and manufactured goods are of poor quality and in short supply--it could take over a year to buy a TV, radio, or kitchen table
*All art and culture has to conform to the party line--generally this consists of songs praising the party and the leader and cliched paintings of muscled factory workers
*If you complain about anything, you go to jail/a labor camp
*Religion is banned or else churches are strictly regulated by the state with clergy who have been vetted for party loyalty
*You can't travel outside the country without official permission
*Possessing books or music from capitalist countries is a criminal offense
*Electricity is rationed and you only get power for a couple hours of the day
*The party and government are completely non-accountable to the people and there are no free elections
*Nonstop propaganda about how miserable life is in capitalist countries--they're all unemployed drug addict hippies/jazz musicians who lynch thousands of black people every day and they're also plotting aggressive war on the peaceful socialist nations of the world

Talking about America's greatest ally Tuzman.

>this
>communism
It's never been tried irl m8
Quit shilling for corporatists

GOOD.

Or they criticize Ronald Reagan for trickle down economics without understanding that it's simply Economics 101 and there's nothing special about it:

*Rich guy buys expensive homes/cars/toys/food/booze
*Thousands of people are thereby employed manufacturing and servicing said expensive homes/cars/toys/food/booze

>total freedom sounds like a pain in the ass
you're everything wrong with humanity.

Proofs?

>Communism
>Not Jewish
Pick one and only one.

Hungary was always the poorer part, Czechia would be a more fitting comparison