How do we deal with ageism in tech industry

I am 27 and I am scared to death of what I am gonna do once I hit 35. Ageism, unlike racism and sexism, is fucking REAL. In tech. Fucking employer niggers will always prefer code monkeys and kids to experienced programmers if they can do the same shit at a lower wage so they can sit on more profits/lower costs, fucking niggers. There are horror stories about very smart engineers looking for shitty jobs and can't even find any due to their age or the irrelevance of their expertise now in the industry

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If you want to avoid ageism just keep up to date and stop using LISP you fucking dinosaur

Learn new shit. Make sure you're getting experience that's relevant outside your current workplace. Change jobs anyway every few years. If you wanna just sit back and not do that and claim you deserve employment because of seniority then you deserve the discrimination you get.

you don't get me, do you? you see less and less programmers above 35, where do they go? unlike almost all professions except in sports, programmers are considered too old once they get 35, it's fucking scary.

What happens at 35? Do programming skills atrophy at an exponential rate?

That's because you're supposed to move to management at that age. If you haven't, then it tells two things:
1) you're a code monkey
2) you're really really like programming and have no desire to take on more responsibilities.

Either of those two options is not desirable.

With 35 your startup should be worth at least some millions.

So? learn a real skill. Or perish I guess.

That's like a fancy way to say kys

Ability to learn slowly fades away, as well as ability to work overtime. So being a web developer is basically a dead-end, and too many people don't understand that.

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Is programming so skill independent that a green skin can replace a veteran?

I don't know about that, there are plenty of doctors and nurses that work long hours with more pressure. Seems like some corporate scheme to keep profits high...

>Is programming so skill independent that a green skin can replace a veteran?
No. OP is talking about himself as a hypothetical loser who doesn't have any skin. Essentially he's still a greenhorn.

Not by that much, it's just as you get older you are less willing to hop on bullshit trends like the latest Javascript framework of the week because you have a family. You move from the guy exploring everything new to waiting for the dust to settle and growing an ecosystem around more mature products.

it's always rapidly changing, your precious expertise can be useless within a decade and a kid can do better with his fresh knowedge

How the the number two option not desirable?

Doctors and nurses don't have to jump on new hype framework every fucking year.

If you're not some C/C++ micro-controller developer, you will be outrun by 20 y/o hipster programmer who doesn't have a family or hobbies to be busy with.

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> you see less and less programmers above 35, where do they go?
Management.
IE, I'm 37, I really loved programming, but I outgrown it. It's just to small, to boring.
I'm moving to product owner role - not to create small piece of product, not to choose architecture, but develop full product.

knowing that someone has zero desire to take on additional responsibility that does not involve coding (mentoring, planning, communicating with stakeholders etc.) vs someone who wants to learn something outside of their field and take on additional responsibilities is a big factor in making a hiring decision.

Everyone has it tough, get over it.
Young people are expected to have a ton of experience and old people are expected to keep up with the young people.
Just do your job.

>ageism in tech industry
it's very real

make your own company and only hire old > 30 y old people
either this or switch career path and become a yoga teacher or some shit

Eat clean, train hard.

I'm 27 and people think I'm 22 because I take care of myself.

It's mostly genes, senpai.

That man is on the verge of death. His heart is so weak it cannot supply enough blood to his head or limbs.

No. If you're 27, 300 lbs, don't socialize, don't exercise daily, don't sleep enough, smoke, drink, and eat junk food all day long you're going to look 40 no matter your genetics.

The biggest reason why healthy people look young is because they don't do the above things mentioned.

when i was in engineering class long bak 10 ear ago i noticed , the strain it cause in my eye , also long sitting on chair cause strain .. i decided to look for other avenues ,with comp/internet side time .. and here i m .. also was in mba but left and found job tech related but not in coding somewhat like management

advice .. choose management over engineer.. move as quickly as possible if not done till 32 u r fucked

keep up with trends instead of thinking you dont have to learn shit once you have your job.

>Muh genetics makes me drink 2L of HFCS and sit around masturbating to anime all day
Wew

>muh genes

When you're 35 you should already have enoiugh to retire.

>being a code monkey past 35
Go on to grad school and become a real computer scientist, work an academia

Ageism is real and most of us will experience it. I've got one guy on my team that's almost 50 and he seems like a grandpa in comparison to everyone else.

Ageism exists, to a certain extent. Especially in the more entry-level position. More mid-level, senior-level, positions would require someone with more experience (IE: older, almost by definition).

It also depends on the technology/language being used. The average programmer age for Perl is something like 40-50 years old, whereas something like node you'd see something more along the lines of 20-30 year old set.

In reality, however, most competent programmers are moved out of code monkey positions, to a more mentor/CIO/CTO/senior/managerial/supervisor position after 5-7 years. This is just natural progression of just about any industry.

insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016

getting old and being unemployable is not technology

Some people in this thread talk like ageism will never effect them personally.
>whistling past the employment graveyard

I'm 28 and I've been turned down for jobs because I'm old and wise enough now to know that working 12 unpaid overtime hours a day is a sucker's game.

Honestly though, if you don't have some kind of a business past 30 then you have pretty much failed as a human being.

Enjoy explaining that to the boss's 22 year old nephew when you're 55 at a job interview.

Oh wait, he probably already thinks that.

>how do we deal with ageism in tech industry
Stop supporting ageist companies such as Intel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel#Age_discrimination_complaints

I was talking about looking young, not being a fatass.

Being healthy certainly helps, but it's far from the only factor.

DELET

That just means you have more of an excuse to point out how valuable you are if you do it, and argue for more money. I'd also argue that being a software engineer is a hell of a lot more fun than being a doctor. Also doctors DO have to keep up with the latest medical news -- if they don't, they become very unsuccessful very quickly.

>the only real discrimination is the discrimination that affects me

Lmao they discriminate way more against the young, shit pay, shit benefits, "it'll look good on your resume" bullshit.

This

I'm 27 and I feel like I'm just starting to understand things - both programming and life in general. I presume I'll become effective at the at of 35 approximately - study relative fields, make good habits and some sort of a structure in my life.

Maybe that's because I haven't received a proper education or that my parents are kinda stupid and didn't teach me anything. I've wasted a lot of time and I see those 20 year olds are not that different from me back then.

95% of them are useless and I don't see how anyone like them would replace me at 35. Other 5% percents graduate one of the top universities and raised in aristocratic or at least just smart enough familiy. They are far above me and always be unless they go "drink 2L of HFCS and sit around masturbating to anime all day" for a prolonged period of time.

Young guys get shitty jobs.
Older guys get no job.

Who was it that said, "Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans"?

I am starting to like communism

Older guys become managers and make a shit ton of money while going on about deliverables and streamlining agile processes.

>brown people taking our jorbs
>omg I got the job ut it pays so bad and the 'benefits' stink!!!

Companies just looking out for their profit margin, mate. They don't care who you are, just like you don't care about who's selling the cheaper version of that anime doll on Amazon.

>everyone should start their own business

I don't feel like I'm "missing the life" if that's what you mean. It's just I've started to understand my position the and level of expertise which is very low for what I'd like to do.

Most of the software is shitty and useless nowadays, so my plan is to do as little "effective" work as possible for a living. I'm not good enough yet, just like those 20 year olds.

Even if my simple plan won't come to life and I'll be hit by a car and die - that's fine, I enjoy what I'm doing right now anyway.

>not freelancing
wew lad

the answer is simple, dont go into a tech field that involves IT

t.underage american

I said literally nothing about brown people, it was about the raw deal the young get compared to the old.

fucking this. you should be in management by the time you reached 30. Step up your game user

No one lives in the real world in this thread.... Management at 30? Rofl!

Just learn rust you fucking bigot

>No one lives in the real world in this thread.... Management at 30? Rofl!

What world do you live in?

You missed the point.

in Europe there are a bunch of people that only finish their basic education in mid 30s

Linus Torvalds is a good example

Yes they should. Old people manage stuff and young people work. It's how it's always been, I don't see why it should change.

A doctor first works in clinics and hospitals then he sets out to make his own clinic. A construction worker first works in companies then he becomes a contractor. A food service worker first works in restaurants then he starts his own restaurant. A software dev starts at a company then sells his own programs/apps. And so on and so on.

If you're 30+ and you have not started some kind of business then you wasted all your years in youth and are now destined to work yourself to the bone for a few morsels until you're 60 or you drop dead (whichever comes first).

You don't even need millions of dollars to start one. Many have started businesses with only a few grand.

people only discriminate against oldfags when they hog junior level roles

no one gives a fuck if an older person provides a leadership or senior role. In fact they prefer it.

So if you're worried about looking too old in the eyes of an employer make sure you can provide leadership as a quality

That's just plain wrong though

>growth hacker

damn an I usually make fun of people calling themselves software engineers

That's because your point had nothing to do with the post you were replying to.

>WHERE DO THE OLD PROGRAMMERS GO

They become project managers and couch the younger ones.

I'm 28 and I still can't buy alcohol or cigarettes without showing ID.

I eat crap. So yeah, genes.

That's what you get for trusting Sup Forums and learning useless shit like lisp, C, haskell and perl.

Learn Java, C#, web shit (html js css), PHP, mainstream db (mysql, mssql, oracle), some Android/iOS, some basic leenux enterprise shit such as red hat, and boom you are employed.

>the spic-nig cycle
top fucking jej

Programming NEEDS ageism because it needs technology refreshing. If we keep the same 50yo programmers forever, companies will never move from dinosaur systems written in visual basic, because the old system JUST WERKS, and old programmers are confident with technologies of their age, very few mid-age men will change their mindset and migrate to fresh technologies.

Imagine being this deluded. Gary Johnson isn't ever going to win an election, just so you know

Are you saying you WANT to work for meager pay for the rest of your life and retire at 60?

>the world is divided between codemonkey and """"CEO"""" of a startup
You can climb the ladder in a big existing company, you know.

Climbing the ladder won't get you to the top. Yeah you'll get better pay as you keep climbing but why work that hard if you don't have to? As a business owner eventually you'll pay people to manage your business and watch as the money pours in while you scratch your balls on a private beach.

How did the CEO get to his position?

Get into management you stupid nigger

Specialise.

By sucking cocks up the ladder for years and years.

Also it's more realistic to start a business than to become a CEO.

Moving up the ladder in various companies is how you get the connections to start a successful business

That's what I implied when I said people start their businesses after they're 30. What did you think I meant, people under 30 who jack off to tohou characters all day long in their parent's basement?

Elaborate more please

Creating your own company won't guarantee you'll earn the same money than Amazon's CEO. A top manager in Amazon earns 100 times your sorry startup salary.

You don't have to become the CEOat all costs, if you can get to a very good position you'll earn a ton of money regardless.

So either way you have to move up the ladder so it is wrong in every way to say climbing the ladder doesn't get you to the top.

Bump

As this is a children's board, I know nothing I say here matters, being that I am 54. Nonetheless, there is a slight chance that some of you might actually live to age 50, regardless of how convinced you are at this moment that you will remain 18 forever. Rest assured, no one, and I mean no one, will employ your sorry ass once you reach 45. You boys are fucked. Sure hope you hit the jackpot in the next 10 years because if you don't, it's the poor house for you.

How do you keep bread on the table old man? You might be the last human generation to live to 50. We all might get wiped out by a virus once AIs gain real consciousness in a few decades.

Where is Sarah Connor?

>Live below your means
>Save money
>Freelance work

Their you go old fucks

>Rest assured, no one, and I mean no one, will employ your sorry ass once you reach 45.
That's fucking stupid. I know a bunch of people that work past 50 the same way 20somethings do.

BTW it helps if by that time you're an uber expert in some things and can train and lead your younger colleagues.

Middle management, if you're 35 and you haven't got management skills, you're dead weight.

>uber
It doesn't pay that well man.