Many of these kinds of skills that the majority of programming jobs require are quite easy to associate with stereotypical female characteristics. Many of us may have been raised by a mother who knits. If you have, you may realize that she had been forming fairly complex abstract patterns with her hands even as her attention may be focused elsewhere. Indeed, women have been writing knitting patterns that produce complex structures in an abstract “assembly language” for quite a long time. Numerous other stereotypes pertaining to female creative styles and diligence serve perfectly well to “justify” extensive female employment in software engineering. So the question remains: why is this not the case? Either female ability and inclination really is, in the majority, unsuited to technology jobs, because they are indeed mostly of the category that requires the intelligence that men have marginally more of, or the story I’ve told you so far is probably true, but some other factor intervenes, one that diversity attempts in the tech industry do not address.
I don't care. Knitting is not forming complicated machinery with balls of yarn.
Landon Lee
>Is programming kind of like knitting no its nothing like knitting you're retarded
Sebastian Moore
Then I suppose we can replace all these computer scientists with third world wimen.
Benjamin Foster
No, it isn't like knitting. It's more like argumentation or instruction. Also post sauce.
Asher Hill
>argumentation or instruction Women are better at both.
Noah Morris
programming is not knitting it's making building-sized, extremely complex looms
Landon Williams
I don't think knitting has conditional branching.
Henry Turner
>MUH FEELINGS >better at arguing
Charles Bell
I do both, programming is nothing like knitting (I crochet actually).
The reason I like crochet is because its exactly the opposite of programming. Basically very rote and mindless, repeat the same action 1000x. Programming is mostly thinking hard about a problem with a few small chunks of writing.
So your argument is stupid, even tho females are perfectly fine at programming.
Evan Collins
to be fair most programming (CRUD especially) is rote regurgitation of boilerplate code to do the same shit over and over
Cameron Gutierrez
Not really, no. Most women can't into abstract thought and reasoning, which is essential to programming.
Women in general are good at many things, but programming isn't one of them.
Ryan Carter
Men in general aren't good at programming either.
Cameron Harris
>Is programming kind of like knitting No. It is closer to Lego.
Luis Jackson
They're good at things that work under the same principle.
Luis Lee
Are her breasts kind of like pillows
Lincoln Thomas
Can't that be largely automated?
Lincoln Smith
In other words, it's child's play. Not a high paid professional skill set.
Aiden Smith
No. It's not knitting you're thinking of. It's basket weaving or perhaps.... you know those Louis XVI chairs? Well it's kind of like making one of those.
Cooper Kelly
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Thomas Rivera
Women are only good at being cum receptacles.
Ethan Gonzalez
They did compress the shit out of that image
Jose Green
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Landon Garcia
no it's like genocide
Daniel Thompson
That sex differences in tech aptitude is cultural is obvious, it just doesn't matter because culture is arbitrary and changes. Feminazis don't complain in good faith, they're upper class whores trying to parlay their well-off background into a lifetime on easy street.
Though to their credit, at least they're asking for handouts from private entities.
Jack Adams
>(I crochet actually) get the FUCK back to tumblr faggot cuck.
David Rogers
>knitting your own programming socks now that's neat
Ian Cox
>Is programming kind of like knitting No. One is trying to think like a machine, the other is being a machine for a Chinese dilf owner you have to suck off for a bonus afterwards.
Lincoln Torres
>Women are better at both. Is that why men were the main developers and pioneers in the fields of politics and ideology? Women are only good at nagging. When it comes to instructions and arguing though, when men get serious they end up changing the whole planet in the process.
Andrew Ramirez
Knitting involves a very repetitive process. Programming involves using creative thinking to explicitly avoid unnecessary repetition.
Asher Fisher
How do you make a tripcode like that?
Anthony Bennett
I think Tripcode explorer is supposed to be the program used to crack them. This one was generated by a friend of mine though. I don't exactly have a computer with a strong enough GPU.
Cooper Wood
By figuring out the tripcode conversion algorithm. Come on you stupid faggot, even some dumbass like me who hasn't coded shit in his life knows this.
James White
>politics and ideology Faggots
Gabriel Sullivan
knitting and crochet follow simple algorithms and procedural scripts. That's where the similarity ends. Show me a modular object oriented beenie pattern.
Daniel Bailey
Faggots who decide how much bills you will pay, how many taxes you will pay, whether you will be employable or not, whether you will be conscripted or not, how many benefits you will get or get taken away from you, and pretty much every aspect of your loser life.
Brandon Sullivan
The psychology of someone who believes or thinks of such a thing is in probably a much worse mental state than the people they are attempting to analyze.
Mason Taylor
The sole reason women do not go into "technology jobs" is that these jobs are generally really shitty. Long hours, they don't pay a lot unless you work for the top 1% of corps or win the lottery with a random startup (even more work hours), and they aren't """social""". These jobs are also highly competitive, meaning men jockeying for recognition so they can climb a ladder of success.
Most women aren't wired this way. They want 9-5 job, with maternity leave, and they want to socialize all day with coworkers (mainly to gossip about other coworkers). They want potlucks and other social things none of which exist in programming a distributed system for 12hrs a day.
It has nothing to do with 'ability' as women are traditionally programmers, back when it was a 9-5 job and not hyper capitalist race to finish first and pull a slot machine in hopes of cashing out your shitty startup for fame and fortune. NASA programmers were trad women, and even Stallman noted how secretaries became the first emacs programmers because they started customizing the editor back in the early 80s.
Matthew Williams
I like turtles
Jordan Thompson
>.>
Jordan Ross
>Prefering to employ people based on their gender rather than their skill levels >Making a huge issue out of the fact that more people of one gender gravitate towards employment within a certain field >Expecting actual people (aka real, non NPC) to care
Jack Perez
The sole reason why women go or don't go into technology is something i don't give a fuck because as far as i'm concerned this may be the only life luck has granted me, and i'm going to waste it my way rather than wasting it to comfort some random bitches who ain't even my family or acquaintances.
John Kelly
you go birl.
Jordan Butler
That's why we literally created programming right
Zachary Turner
Isn't it kinda sexist to assume that women are good at knitting?
But no, programming is not like knitting. Programming is a wide field with various complex sub-fields, like computation theory, data science-y stuff, network-y stuff, graphics stuff, etc. Of course you can learn programming just by itself easily (without any of these complex sub-fields) but then you won't have any application to it and are not a programmer. And that's one of the reasons why programming takes years (even decades sometimes) to master, and not 21 days. And you can't "form fairly complex abstract patterns with your hands even as your attention may be focused elsewhere" in programming, either. If you are working on a real project and do that, people will die or millions of dollars will go down the drain or something similar disastrous will happen.
Jaxson Adams
Yes, to compare it to knitting is really simplifying it a bit too much.
Andrew Fisher
I know a lot of women who knits. Knitting requires you to follow a pattern, but you have to do the same thing over and over again. If you fuck up, you need to remove the mistake and then do it again. Learning knitting is certainly a skill, but it is a skill you can do while you concentrate on other things. If a dinner drags out, they pull out their gear and knits, if they are in school, they knit etc. Every opportunity where they just sit and listen, they knit.
Programming is different. I don't do the same thing over and over again. If I have to do something that is even close to the same thing two times, I automate it. I can't pull out my laptop in the middle of a meeting and "do a bit of programming".
I can talk to people while I program because there is a lot of time I don't do anything. (compiling, running a test etc).
True, but don't tell my boss :^)
Daniel Price
>eta cuck
Gabriel Reyes
???
Adam Lewis
Women follow knitting instructions in a robotic manner. It's the same as data entry. It certainly shares nothing in common with programming.
Joshua Powell
If I really had to compare it to knitting, I would say that programming is like building a machine that knits for you. Which can probably take years before your machine does anything at all (depending on your approach of course).
Connor Morgan
I'm a man and I want work-life balance.
Those fags "working 12 hours a day" are actually shitposting on reddit or this shithole for eight of those hours while shitting out some mediocre CRUD app for some Business degree jackass that doesn't know the difference.
The issue is that these business-coding jobs are in decline because IT departments are just outsourcing everything "to the cloud" instead of building internal systems. This means that organizations everywhere are having massive brain-drain as IT departments turn into password reset departments or people who sit on hold with the support for cloud services and pretending to actually be working.
That, and the HR flacks added a job title to discriminate between code monkies and people who actually know how to do shit.
Ian Kelly
>I can talk to people while I program because there is a lot of time I don't do anything. (compiling, running a test etc).
>They want potlucks and other social things none of which exist in programming a distributed system for 12hrs a day
I feel like these are conflicting arguments.
I don't get the whole women aren't biologically suited to tech thing though- I mean, it's not really a physically demanding career.
Gavin Hughes
Java, Python, and C++ are C, Assemb, and Haskell are more like using handtools to carve the statue from balsa. Takes longer, is way harder, but more precise and lightweight for the same structural integrity.
Matthew Hill
>It's the same as data entry. It certainly shares nothing in common with programming. Unfortunately, a lot of programming jobs basically are data entry. Too many "programmers" don't know shit about software design and just mash together things other people already made.
Asher Murphy
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Wyatt Wilson
Check your privilege
Benjamin Taylor
I'm a Slav, i don't have to check shit westweenie. You better check your back instead.
Liam Richardson
That's not a "we", that's a single woman who embraced feminity and everything feminism hates while playing with alghoritms and mathematics out of her own curiosity.
You yourself are a worthless dreg.
Zachary Bailey
PUNCHING CARDS ISN'T PROGRAMMING
Benjamin Long
Knitting is fine hand motions over long periods of time it's a overwhelmingly a motion skill not a logic one. There is some logic involved but considering that they use paterns. They're doing very little actual brain work.
Programing can't really be equated with anything in nature that came before, just like math.
It's a pure logic based skill of deduction and cause and effect.
If you can compare knitting to programing, I'll compare it to hunting. You need to coordinate with a team, know the lay of the land, factor in how different object will interact, know what cause and effect each parameter will have. You need to do it all in your head and then execute it with precision.
Levi Hill
ADA
Kevin Butler
>writing knitting patterns
I think WRITING is a keyword that's being overlooked. The act of knitting itself is mechanical, but a knitting pattern is a series of very specific instructions. Writing a knitting pattern is writing a set of specific instructions using an accepted set of terms.
The author is likely using knitting as an example to make their argument more accessible to a lay person.
Tyler Kelly
Is dish washing kind of like rocket science?
Benjamin Cruz
> because they are indeed mostly of the category that requires the intelligence that men have marginally more of You don't have to be intelligent to program.
Joseph Hall
i dont thing that is the most efficient way to grab her bottom shelf chips
Connor Lewis
'social stigma' is the reason *x* can't do *y* isn't even an argument. unconventional personalities are paraded more than they're condemned. the reason *x* can't do it is simply because *x* isn't capable of doing it, if they were capable they'd be doing it. if he/she says social stigma is the reason that stops him/her from doing it, he/she is simply blaming everyone else, rather than admitting they're incapable.
Carson Hall
>women are good at knitting so they are better at programming because I say so This doesn't make a lot of sense. Clearly whoever wrote this has a very rudimentary understanding of how a computer actually works.
Brandon Clark
You do know that the majority of programmers were women in the early days of programming?
Joseph Reyes
feeding punch cards and replacing burnt tubes and refilling the teletype paper was never "programming"