/pcbg/ - PC Building General - Vega Sux Edition

If you want help:
>Assemble parts list
pcpartpicker.com/
>State the budget for your build (and country if not USA)
>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate
>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
How to assemble a PC, select components & more (outdated)
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC

CPUs:
No i5 unless discounted
>G4560 - poverty-tier builds
>R3 1200 - Budget builds (R3 1300x - Good stop-gap between the 1500x and the 1200, only get a 1400 if you absolutely need multithreading
>R5 1500x - Good but up to 1600 if you can
>R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; 1600x if you want higher stock clocks
>R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming

GPUs:
Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
>Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games
>GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both
>RX570 - 1080p@60~hz maxed, running most maxed older games at 100~Hz
>RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games
>GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high
>GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p
>GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games
>Good fucking luck even getting a VEGA right now

RAM:
>Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM
>Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM

General:
ALWAYS LOOK AT PRODUCT REVIEWS!
Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later
NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor

Other urls found in this thread:

officedepot.com/a/products/526131/ROG-ROG-STRIX-RX580-O8G-GAMING/
pcpartpicker.com/list/Tn2Jr7
topachat.com/pages/configomatic.php?c=JSVrLLDYnekbNBT4w12m5DGHP3fZi0HhT4HrDNI0BAE=
amazon.com/CABLES-UNLIMITED-ATX-CASE-CF-8502A-ATX-CASE/dp/B014GB4JYQ
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G65B8012
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

>>GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high

I'm hitting 144fps on 1440 on most of my games. It would handle 144@1080 just fine for most titles except maybe witcher 3 or battlefrog 1.

I need prices on 6GB GTX 1060s to drop down to a comfortable level.

I just need one.

ill ask again since old thread died shortly after I asked this
Is it possible to get a riser or something so that I could split my 16x pcie port into 2 8x?
Or ideally the 8x to 2 4x
I want to have my raid card and my nic in my server so I could test this graphics card and possibly getting a second raid card so I can start moving over to bigger than 2tb disks.

144@1080 is limited by CPU more than GPU.

Is the node 202 a bad SFF case?

>finished assembling new PC yesterday
>wanna do it again
fuck

I'm on a i7-6700k so I'm good on that. I'm just saying, the gpu can handle more on games that are available at the moment. It seems wrong to say that it can't handle 144@1440 on high/ultra because it can for even the worst optimized games.

Same here. Did a christmas/birthday build and only thing I've done is open it up to add a few more hard drives and clean it. I want to build a new one but I need to save for tuition and car insurance.

Even 1080ti can't do 144@1440 at ultra for the latest AAA games like Dude Sex: MD or RoTR.

Right now I've got a mishmash of three WD drives totaling 3.5TB

They're all years old and two are starting to make noise so I want to replace them all.

What's a good brand for 4TB drives that will see long term desktop use?

The bigger the disk the more prone to failure it is due to more mechanical moving parts. A 4TB HD is just a HD with 4 1TB platters in them. I suggest buying a 1TB platter HD and storing all your important shit on it and then getting a large multiple TB HD for general storage.

HGST

what noctua fans are the best?

The ones from Taiwan.

Thoughts on the Zalman Z9 Neo case?

Is Toshiba HDD's good? I'm thinking about X300 4TB.

how do i choose a case? they all look decent

I been researching through these parts for the past couple of days looking through reviews and compatibility.

And these are the parts I have assembled for a cheap/ budget $350-460 PC to used be for specifically for research and study purposes while listening to background music in my room.


Do I need a dedicated video card if I don't plan to play any video games any time soon on my computer?

I would like some feedback to save on cost or performance issues. I would also appreciates any recommendations for a mechanical keyboards or keyboard in general.

580 for $300, yes or no?

currently have 280x slapped into a new r5 1600 build

You don't need a sound card. You don't need a GPU. Get a G4560 or if you can afford it a G4600 and then use the iGPU. As for mech keyboards we have a /mkg/, you can ask them and they would give better advice than any of us could.

Currently have an i7-2600k. Would it be a bottleneck with a 1070/1080?

Thanks

No. That is overpriced as fuck. How much does a 1060 6GB cost in your area.

...

580 is supposed to be like $200.

Wait for supply to improve.

And the 580? Reference or AiB>

Figure out your needs
Is your motherboard an mITX, mATX, or ATX? Does said motherboard have headers for front panel USB 3.0?
Do you want a window to see your components?
Do you want a shroud to hide the ugly power supply? Do you want to put a 2.5" SSD on display?
Do you have need for a 5.25" drive bay?
Do you have need for a front panel HDMI port (like for VR Gaming)?
Do you have a particular color combo you want?
Do you want tempered glass?
Do you want RGB integration?
Do you want good cable management?
And finally,
what's your budget? The vast majority of cases sold are $50 to $150, but there are some around $500

officedepot.com/a/products/526131/ROG-ROG-STRIX-RX580-O8G-GAMING/

Seem overpriced but if both 1060 6GB and 580 are overpriced, yeah why not.

Thanks for your input, I will look into trying the G4600.

So it wouldn't affect my computer performances, If i left off a sound/graphic card? I plan to mostly use Microsoft words/spreadsheet with 30 tab web browsing? Can I try installing dirt cheap video/sound cards if I find them to be compatible?

How much do NAS drives differ from normal hard drives? HGST is one so I'm wondering how much slower the real world performance will be.

Most modern motherboard come with good enough onboard sound. Try those first. 90% of the population would be okay with them. Otherwise just buy a USB DAC and run your audio through it.

NAS drives are rated for more read/write cycles and generally have longer warranties but as long as the speed rating is the same, there's no difference

I may just be tired as fuck, but I sort of like this case.

It has all the fancy features while also not being overly flamboyant. It is a box. It is a $100 box. The $100 thing is the only part about it I dislike.

Look up the s340.
This sort of case looking like a dust magnet with the front grill being hard to clean.

Well yes, it is a dust magnet. Good ventilation means it will be a dust magnet. The issue with the solid face side opening cases is that, by every account I've heard that was honest, they sort of sacrifice cooling potential to look sleek.

Get h110 motherboard, it should be cheaper.

There are good cases with good ventilation that can be easily cleaned.`

Yeah, but they have a real proclivity for looking as fucky as humanly possible.

Fucking this. Just want it to be $250 again.

Is your cable management perfect?

Will an R5 1400 bottleneck an RX 580?

Why does cases with vertical GPU mounting have to be so expensive. It's not helped by having to buy riser cable separately raising the already hefty price.

No

thoughts? I'm finishing up after selling a corsair cx PSU everyone told me to get rid of.
>tfw saved over 150 burgers waiting for price drops
feels good

Because it's a niche in a niche.

Anything niche is going to cost more. That is just basic S&D. There isn't many people who want to vertically mount their GPU.

i swear to god i'm going to become an hero one of these days.
pcpartpicker.com/list/Tn2Jr7

cool, thanks

I'm building a comp with a budget of roughly 1200 euros (frenchfag), i managed to save where I could (didn't take a dvd player as I saw I could use my soon to be ex-computer as a usb to install the OS)
I'm pretty much ready to order everything, but I have a few questions, should I put more money in and take an SSD, or is it not worth it ?
Also, since my build will be mostly for gaming and watching movies, Win10 looks like the only choice in the future. Is there a good way to prevent it from videotaping my genitals and sending it to the nsa ?

here's the link to my build (french site) topachat.com/pages/configomatic.php?c=JSVrLLDYnekbNBT4w12m5DGHP3fZi0HhT4HrDNI0BAE=

>G403
Make sure you get it from somewhere reputable. There are issues with mousewheel rattle. But aside from that it is solid.

Pretty much the options are to shell out big bucks for those cases or go mATX. Shame about X370 not having decent choice.

Are there any old-style beige boxes created anymore? Researching a new build but really don't want to get a riced up RGB pos rig or a 2cool4u all-black box

Alright bros, my friend gave me this MSI GTX GeForce 1050 Ti, some corsair mouse and keyboard to help get me started building a gaming PC. I have $700 that I can spend, and now i need some help on what to look for and where to start

Black boxes... may actually have a tactical purpose. Black increases thermal conductivity.

>may actually have a tactical purpose
Just like how "techwear" is meant to be utilitarian, but really it's just fashion whoring. The difference in thermal conductivity would be negligible.

R1600
B350 mobo
Some RAM
HDD + SSD
PSU
Case

New ones? Not really, and if they do you'll pay a premium for it. Check Goodwill/thrift and ebay, just make sure they're not too old and can actually use ATX boards.

Building my first PC today, just wondering before I start.
I plan to set it out quickly outside the case to check everything's working, as has been suggested everywhere, but do I then ensure it's safe to touch afterwards and there's no static? As it's just had power running through it. Do I just need to leave it for a bit after turning off?

I'd recommend a gold-rated PSU, and yeah, I'd spring for an SSD, it's definitely worth it. You don't need a huge one, just get a 120gb if you're strapped for cash. Although an m.2 is super fancy and I'd rather have a 120gb m.2 2280 than a 500gb 2.5"

otherwise, your build's fine. As for windows 10, just dual boot and use linux for watching gay porn and only boot into windows 10 if you want to play vidyers

Bugger, dumpster diving it is then.

Fine. Here.

amazon.com/CABLES-UNLIMITED-ATX-CASE-CF-8502A-ATX-CASE/dp/B014GB4JYQ

>I plan to set it out quickly outside the case to check everything's working, as has been suggested everywhere
don't do this, this makes mustard gas

I mean, it's a total piece of shit. But then, most old computer cases were total pieces of shit.

Y'all Americans are lucky with your omnipresent internet store, the link is appreciated but I can't order from there.

thanks lad.

Wouldn't a vpn do the same thing for win10 ? dualbooting might be a bit too hard for me

t. retard

For static just have something kinda grounded and metal nearby and just give it a good fondle occasionally (your case usually works fine for this). Also don't put it together while standing on carpet while wearing socks, common sense type shit.

Zen 2 wen?

Did someone measured ryzen 1600x power consumption? I don't trust reviewers.

who knows? the reason windows10 is so spoopy is because you don't know what it's capable of. If you're concerned about it spying on you, you'd obviously want to use it as little as possible. You might even want seperate hard drives for your linux and win10 installations instead of on one partitioned drive, but that seems overkill

as for dualbooting, if you use something like ubuntu, it's the simplest shit. Just click next like any installer, then use the GUI and google if you need to troubleshoot or look up a terminal command. Once you install the multimedia shit like mpv and a music player, it's basically the same thing as windows. The hardest part for me was learning how permissions worked for usb drives but it took ~ a day of learning.

Thanks, I understand about avoiding static in general and have dealt with electronics before. I'm just concerned about running power through it to check it all works (before putting into case), then how I'd deal with the board directly after.

Oh, you can just go right ahead and pop it in, nothing to worry about. Just make sure it's not plugged in while you do it (or at least have the PSU unplugged).

>only storage space is a 5400rpm hdd
yes you need an ssd. even just a 250Gb for windows+your most played games is worth it.

what do you plan on doing with the pc and what screen are you using

>" help get me started building a gaming PC"
>a gaming PC

Did you even read it?

What do the R in R1600 and the B in B350 stand for?
A gaming pc

playing dota and playing total war are a lot different.

R = Ryzen
B350 = motherboard model

R == Ryzen, R1600 is just shorthand for Ryzen 1600.
Nobody knows what the B means

What's the smallest pc I can build on my own?
I need to get some kind of htpc for my family, which will mostly be used for streaming movies/televion and and playing music.
I'm considering just getting one of those intel-nucs. Are they any good?

Gotcha thanks, I was looking at Motherboards and was wondering if there was a big difference between the MSI B350 Pc mate and the MSI B350 Tomahawk

r5 1600 + whatever b350 mobo you like is ~$300
PSU should be ~$75 for a gold rated 550-750W depending on modularity (shoot for at least semi-modular)
RAM is pricier at ~$130 for 16GB 3200, you have some flexibility here if you think 8gb is enough although that's like bare essentials nowadays.
A small ssd + 1tb HDD is about $120
Now pick a case you like and suck a dick for a monitor

Slight. Based on the same model with different makers and thus quality.

>smallest
pi zero

yes but they're a bit overpriced.

lanes/slots are not the same
if you want to run 2 devices of the same slot, then I think that could work? from what ive read before a lot of it depends on mobo/cpu and the way the chipset handles lanes, etc
but just look on aliexpress for pcie lane spliters, that way if it doesnt work you're only out like 10-20 bucks

>htpc on a pi zero

i would like to get an nvme drive as a scratch disk, however I dont really know where to start with these new fast as your ass SSDs
why is the samsung 960 evo seemingly the fastest but also cheaper than other options like the patriot hellfire or ocz rd400? is there a reason to consider another? what one would be best?
I was considering going with the rd400, but now im not sure

So what would you choose?

Thanks, but it doesn't really have to be that small. The nuc is small enough.
But is a pi powerful enough to run movies on a 1080p screen?
If not, is it possible to build something myself (a "real" pc), which isn't a lot larger than the nuc?
Otherwise I'll just get the i3-nuc, and grab some cheap ram + some m2 drive.

PC mate is cheaper because it doesn't have some bullshits lights and apparently the capacitors are maybe slightly cheaper.
I went for the PC mate, as they're essentially the same board, depends what you prefer looks wise.

just go with the nuc
by going with a super small pc like that you'll pay more, and have something that is incredibly over powered for what it needs to be
you can look at other options to the nuc though, i know gigabyte has something like that, so does asrock iirc, and im sure others do. Hell even a compute stick might do what you need

Should I drain the power via the power button a few times (unplugged) to ensure there's nothing left in the board?

it's not about the resolution, it's about the encoding, and the pi family is NOT powerful enough to decode dick

Read the features and see what you need.

>G4560
>Poverty tier builds
The G4560 costs $100 at Newegg right now, replace it with the AM4 Bristol Ridge APUs. They're cheaper, quad cores, are overclockable, have better iGPUs and have a much better upgrade path.

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G65B8012

If it makes you feel better, sure. Won't hurt anything.

woah woah woah
when the fuck did these drop? how did i miss that?
im inclined to agree here holy shit, there should be no reason to get a fucking pentium now
>4 cores to 2
>no upgrade path
>costs more
>motherboards also cost more

>want to use 4k for my new 1080ti
>buy a new monitor
>literally every single website is so fucking tiny and only takes up 25% of the screen
>when i zoom stuff it looks fucking horrid and apparantly anti aliasing isnt a thing for webbrowsers
tfw #buyersremorse