I once heard the concept of captcha described as: >"Forcing the user through an ordeal to bypass a technical design flaw programmers are too inept to figure out how to correct."
How does Sup Forums feel about this description?
Are captchas a plague we should be working to be rid of or a necessary evil?
Liam Martin
i'd prefer to generate proof of work beforehand and have it autosubmit but that'll never happen
Gavin Taylor
shut up Goy and keep on training that Google Deep Learning™ driving algorithm.
Isaiah Hall
What you're asking the programmer to do is to define down the letter what separates a machine from a person, and somehow make it something that all people across all cultures have in common and that can be instinctively known by the computer before a user inputs anything.
In short it's a flaw, yes, but asking a programmer to fix it is like asking a philosopher to define the very nature of what makes us human.
Benjamin Lewis
Based on how spammy Web 2.0 was I'm pretty sure they're a necessary evil as of right now. Sure having to find bridges sucks, but it's still better than 3 threads on Sup Forums reaching 500 posts with literal viagra advertisements.
Nathan Evans
I'm surprised no one's taken it the other way yet.
Build a script that spends every waking moment utilizing 100% of a system's power to feed Google INCORRECT Captchas. Just to completely fuck with the way google builds that shit.
Connor Myers
Agreed. The solution is some kind of account/reputation system. It can still be anonymous.
Personally hate having to select all the canoes when it's a fucking kayak, all the parachutes when it's a fucking kite.
Ian Hernandez
>canoes when it's a fucking kayak, all the parachutes when it's a fucking kite
This is a great argument against . If Google is learning anything based on captcha, a good chunk of that shit is going to be incorrect.
Robert Thompson
This is the most cancerous thing I've ever experienced
Jaxon Jackson
Trips confirm the captcha-crusade begins today.
Gavin James
>Web 2.0 Retard.
Caleb Stewart
How about just an IP-based reputation system handled by your ISP?
If you openly spammed the administrator of a certain domain could report you to your ISP who would then give you a strike. After 3 strikes you would have to do catpchas when you wanted to post shit for a while.
Tyler Morgan
You don't have control over ISPs.
>some kind of account/reputation system Easily abused. Army of bots will work harder towards improving its reputation than army of indifferent humans.
>technical design flaw programmers are too inept to figure out how to correct Sounds like a load of bullshit to me. Being unable to tell machine from human operating a machine is not a technical flaw.
Elijah Miller
>Being unable to tell machine from human operating a machine is not a technical flaw.
Isn't it though? Isn't it inherently up to the computer to know whether this message is being typed out on a keyboard rather than copied in from some random text generator?
What's kinda' cool about this topic is how far human emulation has come for computers compared to human recognition.
Robert Smith
>Isn't it though? Isn't it inherently up to the computer to know whether this message is being typed out on a keyboard rather than copied in from some random text generator? 1. No, the message comes from the network, and there are no tags attached to it that tell about what source was used to write the message. 2. If there were those kinds of tags, there's nothing to stop the attacker from sending fake tags. There could be, with a totalitarian control over every computer that connects in the Internet, with cryptography modules on every devices and signatures everywhere, but this is such a sad picture that I don't even want to think about it. 3. If the totalitarian control thing does happen, nothing stops attacker from getting the robot to type on the physical keyboard.
Henry Cruz
Captcha users are second class citizens Pass users are first class citizens deal with it. pay da cash to be da boss that's how the world works kiddo
Nicholas Martinez
>paying to shitpost
Nicholas Powell
I'm just saying the truth. I know it is hard to see the real world and accept it for you redditors but face it. Sooner the better. World is not going to change to protect your feelings.
Lucas Davis
>not using your super waifu AI to solve captcha for you
Jonathan Rodriguez
Does your pass work with brave?
Joseph Butler
>BTFO >I-I'm just s-saying the t-truth
Alexander Green
When did I say I use pass? Why would I give my money to gookmoot? Who are you quoting sweetie?
Kayden Brown
Because 20 bucks is 4 cups of coffee and posting without capture is everything you imagine it to be. It also keeps the site running since pretty much everyone here uses ad blockers and don't click things that normies click
Henry Rogers
Holy shit what kind of coffee are you drinking?
Evan Smith
go back starbucks I hope he dies in a car crash.
Ryder King
Lol. Pretty fucking accurate
Angel Sanchez
No, it doesn't.
Bentley Williams
A medium flat white from a bakery on the way to work $4.50. We don't have starbucks in new zealand. My point is 20usd is not a lot of money for 12 months of no capture. It's worth it to me and Sup Forums has gone to great efforts over the years to not be a huge douche about advertising and money grabs, I respect that
Mason Morales
>"Forcing the user through an ordeal to bypass a technical design flaw programmers are too inept to figure out how to correct." I would love to hear what great solution this smart ass would have to this problem, and why no-one has implemented this solution yet to make big money.
It would be a logistical nightmare to get every ISP in every country to use this reputation system, the system would be gamed in a couple months, either due to the software leaking and people finding exploits, or due to some ISP just being flat out corrupt and giving people a fake good rating if they pay them. It is also a false assumption that people are either good or bad. Many people would be normal users most of the time, but would sometimes do spammy things, and it would take some time until the system stops their spamming, or the system would have to be too sensitive, and it would lock users out too often. Still, the biggest flaw with this system is that it's totalitarian, and when something goes wrong, it's much worse than with captcha (think good reputation users getting hacked and then their machines being used for spamming, and then them having to go through some lengthy procedure to clear their name).
Grayson Mitchell
>dots captcha >never any mailboxes
Jordan Cruz
1. Google creates purposely frustrating turing gauntlet you must undergo every time you want to shitpost. 2. Some poor dev creates perfect captcha solving AI out of indignation. 3. Google purchases AI and releases it into their own botnet. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT
Blake Campbell
you're literally training googles AI by solving captchas
Cameron Russell
You're adding to the training set. Training will happen at a later time.
Daniel Gutierrez
> to make big money > off Sup Forums Actually, solution is quite simple. Force users to solce captchkas if they want to post during the cooldown period.
Xavier Hall
Their self driving cars are using all these pictures of street signs to make real time decisions. Do you feel safe now, knowing that your life rests in the hands of Sup Forums?
Joseph Scott
Were you not here when captchas were introduced? Do you not remember why?
Isaiah James
You may have noticed that Google often knows that a Captcha input is incorrect. You have to be able to be on the edge of correctness in order to fool it.
Brody Scott
Also makes me wonder what exactly the criteria are when they claim that AI can classify images more accurately than humans.
David Rivera
> to make big money > off Sup Forums It's not like a billion other services use captcha.
Julian Watson
I miss text CAPTCHA, hate this AI training bullshit.
Carter Rivera
They have a set of labeled images with labels presumed to be correct; images are downscaled to 80x80 or somewhere nearby, and they ask people to classify those images, and in their experiments people make mistakes more often than the neural network does.
Alexander Phillips
No. No. Wipes, I suppose. It's solvable too: let's give every user a cookie which is generated on a first request. Those who have the visitor cookie can post freely after a 10th sane post.
Angel Hernandez
You can still use text captchas.
Aiden Anderson
So 1. make 10 sane posts 2. proceed to spam the site
Landon Robinson
no Sup Forums makes money, thats why it hardly NEVER green circles a 2nd time in a row on the same board after a successful captcha pass
Sup Forums probably has an altered algorithm to entice jewish pass
Jacob Long
>presumed to be correct It was therein that my point lay, and I'm not saying that the pre-labelling is outright incorrect, but that there is room for ambiguity in the labelling, and that the neural network is more "accurate" simply from having been trained on the established labelling taxonomy.
Joshua Watson
I personally believe it's the downscaling. Just because NN can't work with picture in high resolution doesn't mean humans should be denied that opportunity.
Noah Wright
Well, look at pic related, for instance. It's not obvious for a human whether the two right-most cells in the vertical middle should be selected because there's like one or two pixels of street-sign protruding into them, whereas the NN has been trained with the intended rules.
Adam Evans
I'm pretty sure that claims for better recognition are for the imagenet training set, and it doesn't have those grids that captchas have.
Jackson Perry
Be cookie banned for fast posting, start solving captchas again. It's not hard to develop and balance a posting system which will allow good anons to post and keep spammers out, there are so many solutions. Moot just took an easy way and forced everybody to solve captchas, for every message.
Carson Nguyen
It was just an example, I could take others. What if it displays, say, a lawyer's office on a "store front" captcha? Does that count or not? A human wouldn't know what Google has in mind, whereas the NN has been trained on the established rules.
Jonathan Parker
When you talked about claims of NN being more accurate for classification, what exactly did you mean? Link to article?
Matthew Brooks
> What if it displays, say, a lawyer's office on a "store front" captcha? Does that count or not? I don't even care anymore. If I solve them like a good goy, pressing "skip" when there's a store sign instead of a street sign - it asks me to try again. Fuck them, I know how NN works and what it wants from me, I will click it to get through, even if it's wrong.
Thomas Myers
Not like I've read any particular article, it's just an often claimed thing.
Cameron Edwards
>Moot just took an easy way and forced everybody to solve captchas, for every message. His mistake was trusting Google. They claimed at the time that after solving few, exactly like you're saying, the user wouldn't have to solve any more.
Christian Reyes
Feels good using a pass.
Lucas Harris
>It's not hard to develop and balance a posting system which will allow good anons to post and keep spammers out On an anonymous board with no persistent identity, it isn't exactly trivial either.
Angel Wood
Yeah, but I can't implement text-based captchas on newer websites, aside from scripts.
Wyatt Russell
just make threads in incognito mode without cookies, works everytime
Colton Martin
Very few sites use captcha as frequent as Sup Forums, it's mostly account registration which normal users do once or commenting on blogs, which you also do a lot less than posting here.
Carter Sullivan
no he specifically altered the recpatcha code to make it more frequently require testing
the actual google nocaptcha will auto greencheck
the problem is he needed ot get people to pay for shecklepass
remember that 1 month period when he disabled captchas, i forget exactly what was the reasoning but then suddenly there was no way to justify the pass so he reenabled it, this was like the final year he owned this place
also notice how there would routinely be "raids" on various boards which made his pass justification completely bullshit
i dont doubt he held false flag raids just to make people aware of "wow its such a huge issue, we need captcha"