Why are all tech companies enemies of free speech?

Why are all tech companies enemies of free speech?

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These corporations are getting so big I don't see why they shouldn't have to abide by free speech

Why should it matter if the Government or Google is censoring us? I know they're a private company but they're so big they've reached that point where they have immense influence

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corporations rule over us now user, and unlike governments, corporations do not even have the pretense of being accountable for their actions

> HURRRR private companies don't have to obey the laws

I hate this new meme

Final stages of communist takeover. Yuri B's got your back youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4

Memes aside, it's a pretty interesting argument.

Fascinating times we live in.

someone post the comic of a libertarian getting trampled by a government boot and being mad and being trampled by a corporation boot and doing nothing

how can you expect pajeets to understand values from the enlightenment such as individual freedom? slavery still exists in India.

People with the First Amendment: 350 million
People without the First Amendment: 7+ billion
These globalist cunts have a direct profit interest to undercut American interests and sabotage the Constitution. I eagerly await the day the H-1B visa program is ended and these poo-infested companies go out of business.

That's what happens when you use a private service. The owners can simply disagree with you or dislike your product and remove it. It's nothing against "free speech," which is constitutionally protected and has nothing to do with whether an app can be in the official Google Play Store or not. If you don't like it, use a different service.

in the US, the first amendment applies to the government and not individuals. the amendment just ensures that the government can't lock you up for saying stuff it thinks is bad. there are exceptions of course (yelling "bomb" in a theatre, inciting a riot, etc).

a corporation is perfectly allowed to terminate user accounts for saying things the corporation doesn't like, for example.

if you do not agree with the actions of a corporation, stop supporting that corporation. you have a choice.

Hello Google shills. Do you get paid much to post here? I bet not.

Google was taxpayer funded from the beginning

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publicly traded corporations that do business with the government gotta follow the rules. when you take that government, or shareholder money you throw away your right to all the wiggle room you get as a private firm.

>Why are all tech companies enemies of free speech?
They are free to say what they like, just as we are free to oppose them. Free speech isn't some badge of authority, it's a privelege.

Except there aren't any rules that they aren't following.

google has become a monopoly and is starting to control the net to a certain extent. They need to be stopped.

i don't think you understand the subtleties of google's government contracts

>Free speech is a privilege
Found the europoor, In the states free speech is a right

Rule #1 of anything

Private entities are always out for their own interests, everything else is secondary.

You'll probably bleed yourself dry in legal fees by trying to hold Google accountable to anything, btw.

hey man, i think google is a bad company. they are evil bastards looking to profit off of our attention spans, packaging their bullshit in sneaky ways that have entrenched them in our modern culture.

that being said, they are still a private company and can do what they want for the most part.

This guy is right. Buisness owners can thought police all they want, it's their company, not yours.

so websites and tech companies are allowed to censor or block any websites/apps that they don't like

but for some reason the net-neutrality idiots think it's fine to force ISP's to be "neutral" yet this same standard doesn't apple apply to tech companies...

baka

I'm sure the story of Google pulling the plug on this app is not over. If Gab has resources, Google could be in for a lawsuit, and they would loose. Being a NAZI racist is not illegal in the USA. On the contrary if you want to hang out with friends and talk about how cool you think Hitler was, such activity is protected by the constitution.

nobody said that they think google is morally right, just that they are legally right.

Publicly traded corporations who do business with the government, AND run a communication network cannot though police. At least not without risking a lawsuit.

>it's their company, not yours.

So then you agree net-neutrality should be abolished.

only in your designated Free Speech Zones™, goy

Reminder that these companies fight for a free and open internet every time someone tries to kill net neutrality. It's all a sham.

Retards need to understand how free speech works.

Say whatever you want, but dont be surprised if others drown you out if they dont care for what you have to say.

So many idiots think free speech = say whatever you want with no accountability.

Facebook, Google/Alphabet should be either nationalised or internationalized. If you're de-listed by Google your site pretty much ceases to exist, and their search algorithms determine the success or failure of whole companies. Facebook is similar, it is too useful, too prevalent, and too unnacountable/opaque for the power they now world in society.

That's great when you have a bunch of small and mid-size businesses competing and thus lots of choices for the consumer, but when you have one or two megacorps dominating 95% of everything, they essentially dictate who can and cannot succeed or have a platform. The founders did not envision such all powerful corporate entities. The question is thus, do we need new legislation or even a constitutional amendment to protect the spirit and intent of the first amendment?

dude, don't be an idiot. see:

This is why having free speech be center to your service is utterly retarded in this political environment. The unfortunate truth here is that 90% of people don't really care about free speech until their speech is taken away. The people whose speech is being stifled at the moment are people who appear to be bigots, so these are the people who will gravitate towards these "free speech" platforms. Thus in no time your service just becomes the platform for bigots, rather than the platform for free speech.

It is absolute bullshit, and definitely a freedom of speech issue, when apple and google can restrict you from using certain services from your own phone. I'm not usually for government intervention, but that should be illegal

Google has no obligation to provide any app through their app store, and you don't have to use Google Play to get apps.

This, learn2apk

Google came in when the market was free and unpoliced. Now they've grown up and slammed the door shut behind them so no one else has the same chance. And you defend this? Fuck you.

And when it comes to Apple I'm damn sure you're saying YES to whatever draconian policies they have in place when you agree to those hideously long Terms and Conditions.

So you /can/ bellyache, but know you already signed in blood when you used those products. With Apple you're better off just jailbreaking.

yes but they can't discriminate either. google was just fine with this app for quite some time.

in the real world you cant spout off like an edgy russian viral marketer. When your sperg its worse than everything you claim about supposedly inferior people.

Sure, but they can easily just say "We werent aware of the app and its true contents" which is very true in the case of those spyware apps they had to clean our recently.

Also

play.google.com/about/restricted-content/hate-speech/

I hope from this issue people begin to see the light, and start demanding more freedom on their devices. I unironically own an iPhone because android sucks balls and fuck google, but I can't see myself ever buying one again. I still hold that the government should make locking down this device I paid $800 for illegal. If they want to cater to plebs who will cryptolock their phone fine, but at least give me the option to sideload apps

Why not get a phone with LineageOS support and don't install Google Apps?

When a corporation is so big and influential they run every day Life they SHOULD be held to the same standards as the operating government. Not to mention these megacorporations lobby the govt and rig the market so that competing with them is literally impossible. We literally live in a dystopian future run by corporations and youre too stupid to see it, you CANT make youre own service and at the same time these companies have no obligation to the general populations rights, only their money.

Hate speech != free speech

Withdraw your support of these companies if you dont like them. It's literally that simple.

Why does Google find Gab so objectionable that they even wanted to ban it?

I don't know if it's still like this, but back when I had a nexus 5 you needed to install gapps to do pretty much anything on the device

how about hatred of hate? can we speak of our hatred for hate? how about evil? can we talk about how we hate evil?

I already have, the problem is the majority of people are stupid and lazy and willing hand over cash to have their rights stomped on by companies. (example: YOU)

"Hate speech" is not a recognized concept in the US. There was a recent SC ruling reaffirming this.

Google hasn't stomped any of my rights, infact it provides services that have significantly improved my workflow. I couldnt give a fuck if some alt-right losers get their apps deleted. Google to me is nothing more than a tool, and I dont give it anymore power over my life than a fucking toothbrush.

So I'm reading Google and Apple's reasoning for banning the app

And they both say it's not because of the content of the app itself but because the app can POTENTIALLY be used to distribute hate speech and pornography

But couldn't I use Gmail to send out a bunch of pictures of tits with "kill Jews" scribbled on them? Doesn't that mean Gmail should be banned too?

I mean even Twitter is full of people saying nigger and pictures of girls sucking dicks, why not ban that?

Google and twitter could theoretically pick and choose political candidates and push them over the edge. That kind of power should be heavily regulated and preferably broken up.

>Every "right-leaning" website is a hate-speech website
>Every "right-leaning" app is a hate-speech app
>Every "right-leaning" subreddit is a hate-speech subreddit
Why are righties so full of hate?

That literally already happened, but I guess Sup Forums should be regulated too since Sup Forums certianly had a hand in the 2016 Election.

by that logic they should have banned the camera app long ago.

Sup Forums is just a forum for people to talk. Google et al. bribes (or as they call it, "lobbies") politicians.

>implying hiro has access to the infrastructure to shape public opinion of Sup Forums users
If he could do that then women would post on this site.

identity politics

Grassroots my man, grassroots.

>It doesent hurt the rights I only care about so it doesent step on ANY rights
HURRR

>using a stale meme incorrectly
You had one job

Because there private companies and can do what they want. Now bring this to Sup Forums.

Hopefully the remove 4chins from the search results so no more normies or 14 year olds can find us.

"And if we agree with John Stuart Mill (1978) that speech should be protected because it leads to the truth, there seems no reason to protect the speech of anti-vaccers or creationists."

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The main problem with the "they're a private company" argument is that we're living in an age where these companies have more power to fuck up your life than the government, which is historically unheard of, unless you go back to the old days, back when people lived in housing provided by the company and were paid in tokens that they could only use in the company-owned store. Your entire life can be destroyed to the point where it becomes impossible to find a job just because of some stupid bullshit on Facebook, Twitter, or Google.

They need to be held to a higher standard. We can't just continue to let them be treated as they have in the past.

It's literally not stepping on anyone's rights though.

You agree to use their service, particularly by signing the Terms and Conditions, so now you play by their rules which are also carefully documented in their Policies section.

It's fucking math, but you guys just want to bitch about something.

Because they live in a bubble, just like the right wingers.

I trust Sergey Brin and even Zuckerberg to run the world more than fucking Trump. Democracy has failed, so it shouldn't surprise you when people run to alternatives.

Why does Google try to act like god to trick people then?

They aren't the ones destroying you life you fucking retard. If you are having trouble finding a job because you've been outed as an alt-right Nazi, that's your own fucking problem.

>They trust me, dumb fucks.
You're an idiot then.

>Your entire life can be destroyed to the point where it becomes impossible to find a job just because of some stupid bullshit on Facebook, Twitter, or Google.

This is only if you forget rule #1 of the internet like so many millenial faggots.

Dont post personally identifiable information, and if you absolutely need to, make sure its in a professional capacity. If you're going to air all your farts and cumstains on Facebook/Twitter then dont be surprised when it all comes back to haunt you.

This is literal Day 1 shit everyone used to understand instinctively, what the fuck happened?

See Gab didn't break the terms and conditions in any meaningful way, it's a service to exchange text and images and every service that exchanges text and images is potentially a vector for porn and hate speech so why is it fair to ban one but not ban all of them?

It literally IS stepping on people's rights. The whole point of this thread is pointing out how corporations like Google have become too big to fail and use their influence to run the show while not having to be held to the same responsibilities of the government. Way to miss the fucking point dumbass.

Why does a company have to be fair?

I don't trust the CEOs but they're not the ones trying to get us fucking nuked or aggressively jerking off the dying christfags and trailer trash

"should" is moral, not legal.

you "ought" to do the moral thing and are "required by law" to do the legal thing

This argument is so hilariously dumb. Do you LITERALLY have a brain, sir?

It must be comforting if you're a cuck to bleet out "they're a private company they can do what they want". In a perfectly free market this would be correct. In a market where there is collusion with the government this is incorrect. Capitalism only works properly when there a separation of businesses and government and lobbying is ineffective.

Because they're not following their own binding terms and conditions

Twitter is in flagrant violation of all the same things Gab is, it has to go.

>Ban one App for "hate speech and porn" when tons of other apps like Twitter are used for these same purposes on a constant basis
They did this same shit to blanket ban any Sup Forums apps too you fuck.

Why hasn't the US government gone after Google for anti-trust yet?

Lobbying is just a part of the free market :^)

They have their right to decline a customer. It's their freedom, what's wrong with it?

The whole "never tell anyone who you are" thing was only ever a web thing, not an internet thing in general. You were weird if you didn't use your real name on most parts of the internet outside the web, which before AOL was most of the internet.

Their terms and conditions aren't binding them to anything.

This, unless the corporation puts something in the terms and conditions saying they can break their own terms and conditions you can't even do this from a "corporations are private" stance.

You expect normalfags to know the rules of the internet? We oldfags learned this shit the hard way, and luckily our antics before that point didn't get spread all over the place because the SJW menace wasn't as rampant back then.

Where in their terms and conditions does it state that they are required to do anything?

>They have their right to decline a customer
No they don't, that right died with the gay wedding cake case

Which is getting repealed under the Trump Supreme Court.

I didn't "agree" to play by linkedin's rule willingly. If I don't play by their rule my account is banned and I starve.

You're not an "oldfag" if you never used your real name on the internet and met up with local users' groups.

I don't have a LinkedIn account and I'm not starving.

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It's not stepping on your rights if you already AGREED to play by their rules. It's fucked up, sure, but on paper nothing weird is going on.

In the case of Gab, its pretty much an unfortunate victim of the political climate. I actually think the app didnt need to be deleted, but a well-backed argument /could/ be made that its a vector for hate speech (signficant alt-right presence compared to other apps), so it got crucified.

Honestly, if you really want free speech use Telegram or IRC. But this Gab business is honestly a secret benefit since anyone who wants it can just download the apk and be truly free of Google restrictions.