OpenDNS blocking Dailystormer

now you have to buy a VPN to bypass the Democrat/Fact-Check/Snopes/CNN censorship
So much for ''in 20 years we'll be colonizing mars''

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Sucks for you.

I completely understand you frustration, and I also think it's pretty retarded that so many places are blocking this site. But you're not going to look good using DailyStormer as your rallying cry. No rational person wants to give sympathy to a site like that.

>99% of brainwashed leftists should decide what is acceptable

That's not way I'm saying at all. Again, you're supporting a site that promotes anti-semitism, your OP image is anti-semetic, and you're calling me a brainwashed leftist. Again, I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but you do not look like a rational person. Most people do not hate jews and most people don't like negotiating with hostile people who just namecall. It doesn't matter what side your on. They should NOT be blocking the DailyStormer it's a matter of free speech. But most of the retards I see defending against this decision are kekistan retards. Don't act like a retard and make a reasonable argument and you might be able to sway people perception.

>not enough balls to defend free speech
the post

he doesn't look like a rational person but he is. you ARE NOT.

The argument is that you shouldn't censor anything. It doesn't matter what you think of him as a person.
Go back to plebbit.

>Turning a matter of constitutionality into a matter of morality
You liberal faggots really are just light conservatives, so I wouldn't expect less from someone who doesn't understand the fucking Constitution.

I've said this twice now. I do not support the decision to block it. BUT if you want to convince other people that you have a cause worth fighting for, you usually don't use the hate of other people to do it. Make it a free speech issue, not a "the fucking jews are out here goys" shit. It's counterproductive.

>buy a vpn
what?
just use your cheap crap router's dns resolver or get a raspberry pi with bind on it
i run my own servers for this but i've set up dns servers for friends on rpis and it works great

>just keep burying the truth

find your nuts.

or just use a different DNS provider? some that isn't Cisco

>DNS blocking
>VPN to bypass
What did he mean by this?

Too dumb to change his DNS server.

>other people have a responsibility to publish my racist lies for me

I didn't realize that OpenDNS was a government agency.

Change your DNS to OpenNIC

You're right it is a matter of constitutionality, but that's not how most people see it. Most people see you as supporting a site the hates jews. You should using the argument that this is a fight for free speech, not a fight against the jewish cabal. It's perception.

Like it or not, most people do not support a site like the DailyStormer, either craft and argument that people can understand and sympathize with or this shit will continue. It should NOT be blocked, but you have to understand that most people do not agree with you. REEEEing about it and yelling epithets isn't going to help enlighten anyone. If you want the general public to sympathize with you don't be incendiary. People see incendiary conspiratorial language and they think you're crazy. Take a different approach.

OpenDNS is shit anyways, they redirect 404s to their stupid search page, and turning it off is deliberately tedious and unreliable

So, you believe that private organizations should be forced to publish and support your racist horseshit and that is what the first amendment of the Constitution was for?

free people dont try to limit what other people say. and freedom is not making sure that the government changes the laws to make sure other people are forced to do everything that you personally like to do.

>You're right it is a matter of constitutionality, but that's not how most people see it. Most people see you as supporting a site the hates jews. You should using the argument that this is a fight for free speech, not a fight against the jewish cabal. It's perception.

Private organizations have no responsibility to allow your speech on their property.

>s. You should using the argument that this is a fight for free speech, not a fight against the jewish cabal. It's perception.

I mean, that's the same argument that the ACLU used for all the rallies where they supported the alt-right's right to free speech. Just make it clear that you don't support their views, but at the same time bring up the fact that as long as they aren't causing any physical violence or libel, they have a right to speak. It's not hard

They aren't limiting what you say, they are disallowing your use their property to publish and they are entirely within their rights to do so. You don't have a right to use other people's DNS systems.

most people are getting strung up on the day of the rope.

anyone who still believes there is a peaceful solution is just another brainwashed niggers who might not get a wakeup call before the rock knocks him out.

So why should we force private organizations to be beholden to anti-discrimination laws, since they shouldn't be beholden to any laws that bind the gov't according to your logic?

*your use of their property

it can't redirect 404s, 404 is a http status code, which means the name already resolved to a server and a http server replied. i.e. dns is out of the picture
what you mean is that instead of returning nxdomain it returns their search page
>Sup Forums 2017

>So why should we force private organizations to be beholden to anti-discrimination laws
tbqph there is no such thing as an anti-discrimination law.

like driver's licenses, it's just a trick to fool the goyim, and you reagularly get bullied into thinking it's a real law.

dont be a bitch about this. obviously a private person/company is not forced to do anything but if they want to be draconian then people who feel that that is anti freedom are completely legitimate to say that they disagree with such practices
no shit see above no one is claiming that they are breaking laws just that they are being anti free speech. i do not like to use services/interact with those who are against free speech

Because that's what the laws say. If you don't like it, you can leave and go live in another nation.

Stop not helping your case.

And the 1st Amendment is the law of the land because it's in the fucking Bill of Rights. So why can we not apply the 1st Amendment to private businesses and not anti-discrimination laws?

First amendment speech is about Congress passing laws, not about you being freely allowed to use other people's property to publish and disseminate your speech that they don't want you to publish and disseminate.

ehm.


USE OPENNIC.

You're right. I still think it's wrong. They're causing no harm by existing. Unless they're advocating or showing tactics to kill people, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to stay. That gets into a bigger argument of what free speech is. Even advocating for killing is free speech, but you've just heavily narrowed the people who want to associate with you once you start doing that.

Proof of horseshoe theory the post.

I'm going to scalp you.

Because of the literal text of the first amendment. Read it for yourself, you dumb bitch.

Literally this

>OPENNIC
>also provides access to domains not administered by ICANN.
holy shit. nazis are back, baby!

>You're right. I still think it's wrong.
Nobody cares what you think, asshole.

completely agree with you and i posted thisi am just saying that what openDNS did is not cool, and speaking out about their decision in hopes that others see the importance of protecting the free speech of those they disagree with and maybe openDNS would then see that their actions arent in the best interest of everyone
you are ignoring everything i just said and are repeating yourself. I AM NOT FORCING NOR DO I WANT TO FORCE ANYONE TO CHANGE THE WAY THEY DO THEIR LEGAL BUSINESS

i am saying they are being anti free speech by blocking them. i am within my rights to call them out for it and they are within their rights to do so.

fuck you

So its it okay if the President abuses the right of free speech for any other individual ala an executive order? He's not Congress so the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to him right?

Also see:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packingham_v._North_Carolina

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what free speech means because you spend too much time circlejerking with the other Proud Boys.

Okay? That is a state law, not the policy of a nongovernmental organization. Facebook doesn't allow kiddy diddlers on their platform.

Do you understand that there are differences between things?

Also, we have the Justice system to decide those issues. Your opinions are irrelevant.

you dont understand the constitution. the bill of rights is not an allowance granted by the government it is a specific list that says the government cannot fuck with these right.
openDNS is legally legit but just douchebags in terms of freespeech. having said that the dailystormer are douchbags too but they are legally in the right to say what they say. but openDNS is not cool imo for doing that sort of thing
you are the one who is wrong see my above comment. free speech is an unalienable right, openDNS is being overbearing for what they did but they are LEGALLY IN THE CLEAR THEY DID NOTHING WRONG.
do you have anymore ad homs to through around or are you going to speak to the actual issue. whether or not openDNS made a good decision.

>holding views compatible with those expressed by any website with "storm" in the name
maybe you should kill yourself
>inb4 "muh freeze peach"
1) Free speech doesn't cover incitement.
2) You are not the authority on your own rights.
3) This is war. We despise you and your views more than we love our country. If our country sides with you we will fight against the both of you. So it really doesn't even matter what the constitution says. And if our country sides with us then this is still war.
>inb4 irony
I know, I just said free speech doesn't cover incitement and then I said something which could be taken as incitement.
Eat me, troglodytes.

prettier on the left

>free speech is an unalienable right,
Nope.

Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness are the only delineated "unalienable rights" in the founding documents. OpenDNS is clearly pursuing their happiness by shitting on you limpdick Nazi faggots.

dam she an ugly girl but i bet she fuckin smart
ugly girls aren't always smart obviously but girls who are ugly in that particular manner are usually fucking brilliant in my experience

>But you're not going to look good using DailyStormer as your rallying cry
I wonder if there's a reason they're hounding this site so much, possibly related to what you're now saying.

OpenDNS made a good decision.
It is both their legal AND THEIR MORAL right to decide what kind of speech they want saturating THEIR PROPERTY.
In just the same way that I am in the MORAL right to kick anyone out of my house for insulting my wife.

>OpenDNS is clearly pursuing their happiness by shitting on you limpdick Nazi faggots.
But OpenDNS is a business bounds by various legal regulations relating to anti-discriminatory hiring practices, alongside every other business in the country. They're not a person with legal rights.

Not him, but your inability to read is really something. He has repeatedly said that he realizes there is nothing legally wrong with what openDNS did, but nevertheless has the morals to realize that just because companies don't have to respect your freedom of speech on paper doesn't mean they should be able to do whatever they want. Calling them out for doing something you consider morally wrong and wanting legal consequences are completely different, and you being a smartass and misinterpreting what he says isn't going to change that.

>Free speech doesn't cover incitement.
Saying mean words isn't incitement. Shouting fire in a perfectly fine theatre is incitement because there's an actual threat of killing people.

>You are not the authority on your own rights.
Agian, no. These are God-given rights according to the constitution, hence are yours and they ought not to be violated by anyone

>This is war.
LARPing as the moral highground ala the conservative evangelicals when they do the same thing on the "War on Christmas" isn't an argument

Stormcuck tech mishaps really belong to instead of Sup Forums.

>Lee only governments need to apply free speech, meme
Ye bro go with that argument around go! be free! and let them aply your memes in their business! lets all promote this idea and let companies deny you services for arbitrary reasons like on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, disability, genetic information, age or political views.

HAHAAHHA liberals digging their own grave! eternally btfo by their flawed logic.

all three of your points are legally and factually incorrect.

>1 incitement is protected free speech. however incitement to commit violence is not.
>2 yes i am the authority on my own right thats why they are acknowledge as being given to my by birth NOT from government
>3 fuck you im not a nazi i do not like dailystormer but free speech for everyone is important to uphold especially for those that you personally disagree with
i have state multiple times that openDNS did not break any laws and that they cannot be forced to allow any specific speech that they do not want to provide access to. However their decision to limit the free speech of those they disagree with is offensive to free speech and the values that the country was founded on. that is why i do not want to use openDNS
i disagree bc openDNS is not a platform that is designed to make decisions on what type of legal information you are allowed to view. the dailystormer is a legal website. and limiting the freespeech of those who are legally speaking freely is morally wrong.

the example of you giving of kicking someone out of your house is relevant, and i agree but by that same vein we can both agree then that the person who insulted your wife has the right to speak about anything just not in your house unless you approve of it? and if so then i am glad and i feel the same way

>not enough balls to defends a companies freedom to deny service

>you're calling me a brainwashed leftist

Sometimes we have to call a spade a spade.

I don't care what he says. I don't care what you say, either. Neither of you have an "inalienable" right to use others' property to propagate your "Free speech"

>not having enough balls to protect legal free speech that your personally disagree with

they're free to deny it obviously, we just dont want them too.

there's a nice market opportunity for a censor free alternative once the censorship starts

no one is making that argument

The real issue is that no one is taking the obvious lesson from all this: that we can't trust these corporations for the longevity of our digital creations. We should have learned this after Yahoo decided to take down GeoCities with a few days notice, but it seems we didn't, and are now experiencing a political spin on that same corporate decision.

We have the technological capability now to have it so that no data is held nor controlled, nor any one access point to it, is controlled by any company...If people were willing to scale back their data creation. Sticking to periodical written documents rather than daily video-logs with someone just staring at the camera will make digital information far easier to spread, but also re-upload elsewhere and get into the hands of as many people as possible.

Sure I don't, but the point is that not allowing someone to use your service because of their views is a slippery slope (youtube, twitter, etc)

k

Business isn't speech.

Different things are different things, bro. Do you understand how to distinguish between different things or have you not figured out that whole object permanence thing yet?

Not him but see: OpenDNS was both legally and morally in the right.
It's their property. If the neo-nazis want to bitch and moan somewhere they can do it somewhere else. Denial of a platform is not a restriction on free speech.
If there's anything you should be objecting to here it's the immorality of any organization amassing so much property that no other platforms remain, or that no other platforms would be as audible, or that one could not feasibly erect as audible a platform for oneself. Not the alleged immorality of people or organizations kicking unwanted guests off their property, which is an absurd allegation.

Saying mean words isn't incitement. Calling for mass genocide among a small group of people who all either disagree or know you're joking is also not incitement. But calling for mass genocide among people who are inclined to carry it out or spread the word is incitement. There is no legal precedent for this but it is morally true and if the law decides against it then the law becomes our enemy.
>LARPing
Tell that to Antifa.

you dont have a clue if you think my statement implicates that

yes yes! what will be next? the water company denying you service because your animals smell bad?
Your argument will back fire on you. No one should deny you basic services because of bullish reasons or what you publish in your web page, WE HAVE FUCKING LAWS FOR THIS!

>i have state multiple times that openDNS did not break any laws and that they cannot be forced to allow any specific speech that they do not want to provide access to. However their decision to limit the free speech of those they disagree with is offensive to free speech and the values that the country was founded on. that is why i do not want to use openDNS

But that's wrong. They aren't limiting free speech. The Nazi's can say whatever they want, but they don't get to use others' property to say it. It's pretty simple. Your speech is free, but you don't get to freely hijack others' platforms to say it if they don't want you to say it.

Slippery slopes are a classical rhetorical fallacy for a reason.

>they aren't limiting free speech
i never said they did. you are side stepping my arguement in order to build an easily defeated point that i am not making, so i will make it again.

it is petty, cowardly, and against the values the USA is based on to limit the speech of those whom you disagree with solely because you disagree with them.

>inb4 whatever illegal actions
dailystormer didnt break any laws so any example that you make that uses illegal instances as a way to conflate that with intent to sway approval for openDNS's decision is not relevant

>OpenDNS was both legally and morally in the right.
You seem pretty rational in what you're saying, but this is the one point where we disagree. I don't think removing anyone's platform can be the morally correct thing to do, so I will pass on OpenDNS in favor of a service that is more in line with my morals. If you personally don't see anything wrong with it, that's fine, but online censorship is honestly getting ridiculous and any company that partakes in it isn't getting my money or service.

>the example of you giving of kicking someone out of your house is relevant, and i agree but by that same vein we can both agree then that the person who insulted your wife has the right to speak about anything just not in your house unless you approve of it? and if so then i am glad and i feel the same way
Yes. Everyone has the right to speak about anything (excluding certain veins of speech as described in the constitution). Just not in my house unless I approve of it. OpenDNS is the "me" here. (I am not literally OpenDNS, I'm just trying to express a metaphor.) The domain name service they provide is their "house." There is no reason they should tolerate anyone in their "house" unless they see fit to tolerate them.
Not even these reasons you just said:
>openDNS is not a platform that is designed to make decisions on what type of legal information you are allowed to view.
It's not about what anyone's allowed to view. It's about who's allowed on their property. If you want to view legal information they don't want to tolerate in their "house" then you can leave their "house" too.
>the dailystormer is a legal website. and limiting the freespeech of those who are legally speaking freely is morally wrong.
No. It's not. Someone who insults my wife is legally speaking. By kicking him out I am limiting his free speech to outside my house. That's morally right. What's morally wrong is preventing free speech. Limiting it, insofar as your own property is concerned (and, reminder, OpenDNS's servers are their property, just as my house is mine) is morally okay.

Slippery Slope is completely false, but you have to ignore all what came before it.

Remember: saying "transgender rights? What next? Men allowed into the same bathrooms as little girls?" would be dismissed as slippery slope.

As an anti-SJW, the recent rash of censorship couldn't have been a bigger gift to our side.

The fact that it's TDS draws eyeballs since it's such a controversial site, and the insane lengths that various tech companies are going to in order to try to censor it is turning people in the middle away from the SJW side.

Anyone with a brain clearly understands TDS is nonsense garbage, but seeing the hysterical attempts at trying to censor it reminds people how much power the SJWs have over private corporations (especially tech) and that other, more reasonable views might start getting targetted for the SJW inquisition treatment - e.g. James Damore.

The argument that the 1st amendment should not apply to massive, monopolistic private corporations is also forcing more people away from SJWism. The average person has discovered the same thing that the tech literate person has known for years - that google and friends are more powerful than any government when it comes to the flow of ideas and culture.

tl;dr - good job SJWs, keep up what you've been doing, because TDS couldn't have written a better roadmap for you to destroy yourselves.

We have different definitions as to what qualifies as basic services. If they break a companies terms of service they are not entitled to use that service just because they have something they want to say

>it is petty, cowardly, and against the values the USA is based on to limit the speech of those whom you disagree with solely because you disagree with them.

It isn't petty, cowardly, or against the values of the USA to kick Nazi faggots off of your property.

free speech jackass, you don't have to like it.

Are these bots? Do these people have schizophrenia?

You're doing good, but I don't think Sup Forums has people anymore. It seems too much like the Reddit manipulation machine right now and not like the Sup Forums of yester decade.

> But calling for mass genocide among people who are inclined to carry it out or spread the word is incitement.
How are they inclined to carry it out? Again, until they make credible threat that can be backed up by actual evidence, not perception biased party, then you can say that they're over stepping the line. Shouting about the "Day of the Rope (All Reichs Reserved)" for the ten thousandth time among your Neo-Nazi friends is just as much of a credible threat as a Communist shouting about "The revolution willl come and we'll kill all the bourgeois" among xer commie friends": unless they actually have preparations to do so and are planning out violnt action, it's just stupid speech.

How much sites are still opennic-only? Is there still someone who browses there?

I don't have to let you use my printing press/DNS system, either.

we agree on all points. i was just making sure that we agree the dailystormer can continue saying their bullshit but they cannot demand openDNS allow them to use their services. but bc of that i would choose not to support openDNS and that is where the analogy would end. its my choice to decide and everyone elses as well whether or not they protect the free speech of those whom they disagree with.
no matter how detestable it is as long as it is legal i would support it that is my point

>opendns
why not mail your every dns query to the fbi directly? that would cut the middleman out.

>Believing in free speech makes you schizophrenic

Believing in anything else makes you a different flavor of your average conservative; whether it be light conservative ala your average hypocritical "liberal" or a Bible-thumping evangelical.

>Shouting about the "Day of the Rope (All Reichs Reserved)" for the ten thousandth time among your THOUSANDS OF Neo-Nazi friends is just as much of a credible threat as a Communist shouting about "The revolution willl come and we'll kill all the bourgeois" among xer PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF commie friends": THAT IS TO SAY, QUITE A CONSIDERABLE THREAT.
ftfy

its their choice to do so but as i said before i choose to protect the legal free speech of everyone not just those i agree with. and just like you said TDS can use other services. it doesnt matter what the person believes as long as it is legal free speech but thats why i think openDNS is being overbearing, but as you said you disagree with me

So you're saying if someone paid you to stay in your house you'd let him insult you and your wife and kids?

>buying into the free speech meme

Do these alt-right fuckwits actually believe that modern Communists are still stuck in hundred-year-old October Revolution mindset? Wow. No wonder they don't get it.

We want single payer health care and civil infrastructure investment.

no but if that person wanted to cuss me out while they were off my property i wouldnt give a fuck what they say.

Verbal abuse of family members isn't quite the same as speaking your mind on an open platform.

health insurance and infrastructure is the largest part of the entire budget already

Yeah, because, as we all know, TDS is just such a popular and influential site.

I wonder why they don't shut down Sup Forums, what with all the school shootings and suicides it has caused

t. Delusional idiot
The Neo-Nazis and the actual Communists of this country are a few hundred thousand strong at this point, but the thing is they're so fringe no one will accept their views because:
1) They're lunatics
2) They say crazy shit that everyone knows is false
3) If they get violent, we literally have police forces that will crack their skulls wide open.

There's never going to be a Day of the Rope nor the American Bolshevik Revolution. You're just buying into the same moral panic mentality that was prevalent durong the Red Scare days, when everyone's a Communist spy and Communism was going to DESTROY THE COUNTRY IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THESE COMMIES ARE SUCH A THREAT TO OUR NATION AND OUR PEOPLE/WAY OF LIF. The only difference is your freaking out about shitposters of a Ukrainian Stalker Board and meth heads in white trash trailer parks.