Email in the current year

Now that the dust has settled and that ProtonMail turned out to be a shit provider, what's the Sup Forums-approved way to handle e-mails in a privacy-conscious and safe manner?

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reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/6ve0u8/reminder_inciting_violence_is_illegal_in/
twitter.com/ProtonMail/status/900097982212845570
vmail.me/en/
vmail.me/en/legal
privacylaws.com/Publications/enews/International-E-news/Dates/2017/1/US-and-Switzerland-sign-Privacy-Shield-agreement/
iapp.org/news/a/switzerland-u-s-agree-to-data-exchange-deal/
secushare.org/PGP
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

>what's the Sup Forums-approved way to handle e-mails in a privacy-conscious and safe manner?

dont use email, use pigeon mail

pigeon mail

Still Protonmail, welcome to hell.

REMINDER: you can disable anyone's protonmail account by putting their email onto some bullshit poster and taking a pic of it.

And yes, they deserve to have their account taken down because they use a literal NSA and Mossad tied honeypot.

PS: Have fun! kek

can't pigeons be easily intercepted?

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>he doesn't put stealth tech on his pigeons

lol

protonmail admin pls

Updated with better explainations

>He doesn't encrypt USBs and send them by pidgeon

The latency is high, it's expensive to retrans for large messages, but it just werks.

check digits

Protonmail honeypot status confirmed 200%

these faggots seem to be active on their plebbit subplebbit... has anyone asked them to explain their definition of hate there?

reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/6ve0u8/reminder_inciting_violence_is_illegal_in/

twitter.com/ProtonMail/status/900097982212845570

Some interesting convo, people seems to be mad too

>one asked them to explain their definition of hate there?

Can't spot any, but predictably they will just cite the Swiss laws of hate speech vs free speech etc...

That was too low resolution, hope this one is more legible

Previous thread is worth a read

>62390848

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is there a swill law requiring them to pre-emptively shut down an account without a Court order?

>constantly complain about kikes
>be too poor to pay for a quality product

>pre-emptive

No, of course...

Look, twitter beat us to it

So... no anonymous alternatives?

What do you think about Vmail?.
vmail.me/en/

Posteo seems to be suggested often here.

Protonmail can still be used if you keep it secret.

Nice try NSA. I like my privacy though.

France has a mandatory key disclosure law

So privacy probably as good as Gmail but not as reliable

The website looks like a scam too

Regarding protonmail poster there isnt one. Unless maybe you advertise some darknet service/email that cannot be shut down.
Or maybe some obscure provider in some shitty country.

Jesus those colours are hard to read. Could it have been made any more difficult to decipher whats being said in this?

>NSA
they literally get everything from Switzerland. Swiss intelligence has access to XKeyscore.

Uhuh, sure NSA, thanks for that info, I'll sign up with GoyMail now instead.

where did I recommend gmail or any other FIVEEYES email-based service?

I read between the lines.

still going to use it but i still need a firefox replacement. in dire need of browser recs

there's nothing more dangerous than a little knowledge

then you can't read.
I only recommend email and services based in countries where your country has no legal access.
if you're in US or any of the FIVE EYES country, you should not use email or backup services from any of those countries or even use services from countries that cooperate with your country's intelligence services.
that's why I don't recommend shit unless I know where your'e from.

Most have settled with ungoogled-chromium, so you might want to try that

>Most have settled with a 16 year olds hobby project
kek, no.

>still going to use it
You're literally using a Mossad and NSA honeypot.

There's nothing more safe than 0 knowledge, which I why I'll stay with protonmail.

E-mail is insecure by design. You can use your own server and encrypt your mails individually with GPG or something but then normies wouldn't be able to read them, and at that point just use a more secure protocol.

You should still ditch gmail and outlook because you shouldn't support the botnet, cock.li is /ourmailserver/ and hosting your own is still an option.

>2017
>uses privacy oriented services like Protonmail (even if it's fake privacy since """they""" have access to it anyway)
kek.
enjoy having extra screenings everywhere you go!

i've always known this to be the case. it's like walking around in a big black trench coat with a mask to avoid people looking at you

>implying not every single poster itt is already on at least 10 lists anyway
maxkek

you know who flocks to these privacy services? people who have somethign to hide. people who are terror suspects, child molesters, criminals, pedos, drug users and drug dealers, etc.

enjoy being put on a list for visiting these honeypots. enjoy being extra-targeted and inspected over bullshit.

excellent profiling there NSA, I can tell mass surveillance really does work.

>cock.li is /ourmailserver/ and hosting your own is still an option.
What if I have a dynamic IP address? [email protected] is nice but not really something I'd connect with my IRL identity; and VPS are still going to be "someone else' computer", so..

>vmail.me/en/legal
>France
after openmailbox I'm not going to trust baguette providers any more

Its not like its someones homebrew mangled pile of garbage, but a browser made by the most skilled browser vendor with a couple of their binary blobs removed.

>Its not like its someones homebrew mangled pile of garbage
That's actually pretty accurate.

What happened with openmailbox?

You can also ungoogle it yourself if some kind of 'purity' is of utmost importance to you

I'd rather use a professional product desu.

Self hosted with Mail-in-a-box.

okay wait.. your saying the only thing you got a problem with here is they picked on the antifa people?..nothing security related? cool.

No it really is not. You take a software and remove something from it, and the result can be pretty easily verified. Its not like you care though, youre only here to argue.

they shut down the forum, they shut down IMAP/POP3 without sending a notice to their users, they nulled a free ownmailbox instance which I used to share some docs

It is a professional product though, its still chromium. Just with a couple things removed.

install postfix and do it yourself.

cock.li has a domain called airmail, use that. Also most domain registrars provide free forwarding so if you get your own domain you can use whatever.

All this thread and i still haven't seem 1 suggestion for the best privacy email service to use.

protonmail

>locking you out of your paid account without actual court orders is not "security related"
k

But there are tons, user: None; host your own and/or encrypt your mail with gpg. Otherwise there are always ways for people to read your mail.

Let me just tell you that Switzerland isn't secure anymore, only for banking, the USA signed a deal with Switzerland, they're not good for privacy in terms of internet.

Why should I read a poster that was created in Apple Pages. The hypocrisy is real.

:^)

>the USA signed a deal with Switzerland, they're not good for privacy in terms of internet.
[citation needed]

YANDEX
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not in fourteen eyes
won't cooperate with 14EYES court orders
won't knock at your 14EYES door
won't give a shit about you unless you're drumpf or chillary

>out of the frying pan into the fire

Like russia is all for freedom.

great ploy comrade

privacylaws.com/Publications/enews/International-E-news/Dates/2017/1/US-and-Switzerland-sign-Privacy-Shield-agreement/

iapp.org/news/a/switzerland-u-s-agree-to-data-exchange-deal/

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what could ever happen to you? worst case scenario, they pull the plug of your server.

Thanks, and into the trash it goes.

imagine going through the effort of moving off GMail for >muh privacy, only to be cucked within a few months
imagine being such a brainlet that you need to trust your email host instead of using any ol' botnet provider and encrypting everything with GPG

>They pull the plug of your server
More like dispose of your corpse in a ditch

Even though they might not be as noble as they claim theyre still a fair way from google. I still keep my doors locked even though someone could break my windows.

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I highly doubt you'll get Litvinenko'd by FSB for sending funny putin faces, furry porn and your cv from your domain delegated to yandex

metadata nowadays is more important than data
and OpenGPG just adds metadata, traceability and non-repudiability
and no one uses it
so...thanks but no, thanks.

>ownmailbox instance
*owncloud instance

Are there any Sup Forumsuides to setting up your own email server?

>I read between the lines.
You had to make a judgement call

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>I make shit up to suit my fantasies
Confirmation bias brainlets lmao

>smiley with a carrot nose

don't you like my smiley, user?

>do illegal shit
>break ToS
>get banned
>WHAAAAAAA WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS TO ME

>do illegal shit
I missed the Court order suggesting that someone was doing illegal shit.

Been using mailbox.org for a year now. No issues.

This.
Why would anyone who cares at all about security let another company host their mail?

>those dead eyes
he must be a miserable fucking person

Getting email right is deceptively difficult. If you don't get everything just so, then prepare to have all your outbound mail flagged as spam.

You know what, I'll give you that. It's legitimately a pain in the ass.
If you have the time to do it though, and you really care about your security, it's still the best way.

At least lets be clear, this is not about security.

Just people upset that protonmail shuts down accounts when it wants to/asked by the government.

Never are your emails in any kind of danger being revealed.

Assuming I'm willing to rent a colocated server, which would be my best bet, jurisdiction/policy/price wise? Hetzner is a possibility but
>Germany
I'd really prefer something in the not-so-western-yet-no-so-eastern-bloc-and-we-don't-give-a-fuck, like ie Romania or Kazakhstan
no fancy vassal states like Saint skittles and nevis

>when it wants to/asked by the government
>when it wants to
great way to sneak in an extra clause, congrats

Why not just just PGP encryption on your mails?

Serious question

see and also secushare.org/PGP
but above all: have fun finding people actually using email consistently

>actually using email consistently
*actually using PGP consistently

The simple solution is don't incite violence.

Have you considered that if protonmail doesn't comply with Swiss laws, it gives then the government an excuse to shut them down ?

So use Firefox