How the hell do I roll and 'r'?
How the hell do I roll and 'r'?
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Carefully.
with soap
Top of tongue near the end of the gums/beginning of the teeth
Slightly move tongue towards tonsils when rolling the R
i dunno, i only know a guttural r
Scream ARRRRRRIBA from the top of your lungs
Very helpful.
more info? I don't think it sounds right
there's lot of tutorials on youtube
Like you are making the sounds of an airplane shooting a machine gun.
Say butter a couple times and then try to turn the t sound into an r
think of the word terror and then hold the second two r's
we need to see how bad your roll them op
record your self saying
"quiero un burrito the carne asada"
where do I record it? Like, what website?
Also, are you the same person?
vocaroo
Also, if it helps at all, I'm learning Esperanto, not Spanish
The easiest way to fake a rolled R is to keep the tip of your tongue on or near the middle of the roof of your mouth.
Normally you use more the middle/back of your tongue.
Different people. Esperanto r is the same as spanish mostly.
like the t in butter. More exaggerated.
can anyone confirm is this is right?
vocaroo.com
Did I do ok?
the double rs fucked you up man
youtube.com
otherwise bretty good
>kweyero un berito de carno asada
Pronunciation is the thing that seem to lack for you. It does not matter if you can roll an R, if you do not pronounce the vowels. In spanish you say every vowel. Here use this site to improve it.
soundsofspeech.uiowa.edu
I'm not learning Spanish. I'm learning Esperanto.
what the fuck is esperanto?
I thought you fags were memeing when you brought that up
No. I'm serious.en.wikipedia.org
It's difficult to do unless you learnt to do it in infancy. Has something to do with the strength of basal tongue muscles.
>whites LITERALLY cannot roll their rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr's
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>A fucking leaf
Try Scotland, cunt
anglos*
R~R~R~REGGAETON
I am Italian and can't ro do it, I can only do French, German and English r, if only I was born in one of those places
I was part of an Esperantist group and had Esperantists homestaying in my house.
Both Chinese and New Zealander Esperanto speakers pronounced their "r's" as English "r"...
Don't worry too much about that.
Really? Because everywhere I've read about it, it says that it must be rolled
It's hilarious to see people trying it.
I believe it might have something to do with the strength of your tongue muscle, if you are only used to "soft" sounds maybe you can't do it at all. Rolling r's for a bit makes you tongue feel exhausted.
Tongue is a muscle and therefore can be exercised.
kek even I can do it
>letting esperantists in your house
You should take advice from real Esperantist instead reading shitty articles on the internet...
But there you go, check what this page says about the "r"... esperanto.ie
Don't you pronounce "r" as a German/French R though?
They are really nice people, like, weird but cool people at the same time.
I homestayed a Yank and a Japanese girl as well, but they weren't Esperantists.
I HATE YOUUUU
So the r doesn't necessarily have to be rolled if I can't do it?
>Don't you pronounce "r" as a German/French R though?
Yes/no.
When we speak, the R sounds the same but when you're spelling, the german R sounds a bit like the english one
I can't even understand how you can do it.
I can trill my tongue against the top of my mouth and make a machine gun type noise, but there's no way I can incorporate that into a word.
You got it.
You'll probably start rolling it naturally with time...
Also, this isn't a question you should be asking here! Go socialize with Esperantists on Lernu... Don't you have your account there yet? How are you learning?
Is it some sort of agreement between canadian posters to just be as irredeemably shit as possible? Do you do it on purpose or are you all just THAT retarded?
>but when you're spelling
wat, that doesn't even make sense
all slavs can
We're not white tho
position your tongue like this user said.
dont push your tongue too much to the gums, it should be a little bit relaxed so that when you push the air out of your lungs it will make your tongue flap(dont know if this is the best way to describe it)
you are doing it right
I only started like a week ago, so I'm still learning the grammar rules, which I think I've got down pat, as well as pronunciation. Thanks man
Finns roll their r's
I'm Dutch though and I never did, but since arriving here I've learned it.
Place your tongue the same way you would a normal 'r', then move it slightly forward so it touches the roof of your mouth gently, then vibrate your tongue.
Protip: only Anglos, Chinese and Vietnamese have the kind of r you know
Chinks say our "r" is "big tongue"
Anglos say it's rolling 'r'
Both are wrong, you can do it with any tongue and it has NOTHING to do with any rolling
Its the very tip of the tongue vibrating on its own as you move it close to the gums while air from the lungs blows
>normal
The whole world except for anglos has the rolling r.
I don't get how can people NOT know how to do something as simple as rolling rs
he's memeing
well im not but slavs seem pretty white to me
Stick to learnu lessons, and also stick to lernu FORUM.
You'll master it in no time.
Thanks, wish me luck Argentine bro
>Don't you pronounce "r" as a German/French R though?
Austrians and Bavarians in general use the rolled R, not the guttural R.
We don't even have 'r'
Japanese language has an /r/ phoneme, though - usually pronounced as a flap.
Onde é que também rolam o r no Brasil?
>巻き舌ってなに?
I'm sure lots of people do it on the Southern countryside, but since it's a conservative trait, other dialects might do it as well.
(Not in the capitals, though. Most people in Curitiba for example uses [h])
It's truly closer to 'l' than 'r'
only plebs can't roll their r's
Jesus christ that sunburn looks painful.
He might want to go see a doctor.
It depends on the following vowel, and which R sound you're comparing to (it sounds nothing like English R, but before /e/ and /i/ it sounds exactly like Spanish "weak R", alveolar flap/tap).
Why would a language specifically designed to be as easy as possible, make such strict demands on how to pronounce the r?
one letter = one sound
[h] is the standard norm it seems
>proxy detected
巻き舌 is a true rolled r and many japanese are able to say it.
>only plebs can't roll their r's
That's like half of Germany.
>make such strict demand
It doesn't.
I've tried for so long to do it and I'm not even close. I completely give up on it. I don't think I have the right tongue for it.
>er mag die Zungenspitzen R
t. Hitler :DDDD
>[h] is the standard norm it seems
There isn't a single norm for that; the educated pronunciation varies wildly. I guess [h], [x], [R] and [ʁ] are the most common for the "strong R".
If neither rolling or guttural r conflict with any other letters, what's the problem?
>I don't think I have the right tongue for it
>the right tongue
Only chosen demigods can do it, huh?
>[ʁ]
I used to pronounce the strong R as [ʁ] but my Brazilian friends told me it was way to strong and exaggerated and no one in Brazil would pronounce it like that. I know that is the norm for tugas along with the "rolled r", but nowadays I just pronounce it [x].
I don't know, I just saw that it was supposed to be rolled, but the Argentine user said it doesn't have to. This thread is pointless now.
>one letter = one sound
one letter one sound means you have to be constant and pronounce EVERY R the same way...
For example spanish esperanto speakers tend to pronounce /rato/ (rat) with a rolled r sound, but then they pronounce /historio/ (history) with a "flapped r" sound
Again, it depends on dialect. If you ask 10 people from different places about this, you'll get 10 different answers.
The only truly consistent "r" in Portuguese is the weak R in intervocalic position... or it would be, if not by certain colonials who use the trill instead of the tap (and merge both /r/ and /R/).
Make a machine-gun sound.
Now move your tongue back away from your teeth and shift your lower jaw down a bit.
Now make noise with your throat.
e.z.
>tfw we have English R, tapped/rolled R and guttural R
BR Portuguese is truly the master race versatile language.