Does a github/linkedin profile speak more volume than CS degrees nowadays?

does a github/linkedin profile speak more volume than CS degrees nowadays?

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no

yes

I have a linked in but have nothing on my github and everyone in /dpt/ is acting like its the only thing that matters. Can I still get a job if I dont make my esoteric poorly-documented projects available for the entire world and any pajeet to see?

no get a degree

in terms of being a fresh newbie, a blog where you discuss your learning, experiences, projects, etc. combined with a github to show off the stuff, is going to put you miles ahead of the competition.

nope, had an interview recently, they literally didn't care about github repos.

Im getting a degree too. I have projects theyre just obscure things that I feel like the average HR person looking at my resume/github wouldnt understand. Do employers really go through the trouble of reading every file of your project trying to digest every LoC? Would they just look at the readme? Or would they just look at how many projects you have, go "Wow, thass uhh lott", and not throw your resume in the trash?

well yeah if you go apply at shitty megacorp where the HR people don't give a fuck and can't code....

but for a little startup or web shop where it's more comfy and less stressful? they will dig in because they're small enough to care.

I got hired at microsoft with just my resume and interview performance.

This guy speaks the truth, team lead at a startup (~30 employees) and in charge of technical interviews for the various teams, we can't afford hiring someone who needs to be trained, no meaningful code to show, no job.

It's way too easy to bullshit your way through an interview without anything to analyze.

You forgot the part where you showed them how you can shit in street

Thistbhfam

Depends on what you want to do, most of the interesting and best paying jobs in tech require either CS, EE or maths.
Unless you're extremely lucky just a github will put you in line with bootcamp grads and self-taughts for code monkey jobs, although it's possible to move beyond that if you have the skills and can prove it.

Obviously a degree with a github is best.

Can I skip all that garbage and just get a fake transcript from Ukraine by bribing someone there? $1000 is like a million dollars to them there.

I work in a big development lab for one of the large companies and every time I meet a new person on the job I ask them for their github and judge them based on their commits/year and pinned projects.

Good for you

If you want to work at a startup - yes. Medium/big companies do not care about your github profile.

Why bribe? I would totally go through the trouble to study CS at a Ukrainian university just to have 8s, 9s, and 10s classmates and ask one of them to come to my place to study and then to become my csfu.

no
and work experience beats all of them anyway

I've worked 2 years professionally and have commited to my github sparingly. Doesn't accurately reflect my skills and exp

judge me pls
github.com/nilesr

This is true.

Startups also have lower pay and despite what the entrepreneur(s) running the thing tell you the investor money can be cut off at any moment. No real VC goes into a project without a bunch of crap in the agreement stating they can pull funds whenever they want. IE crap job stability.

>github.com/nilesr/wg-scraper
fucken hired

KEK

Nice. Your projects are quite interesting. I am inspired to write my own image scraper.

Not using a separate account for Sup Forums-related stuff seems like a potentially very bad idea.

>github.com/nilesr
im the guy you replied to.
8/10. Very impressive, you and I both are in the over 1000 commits/year club.

suggestions: too much python in your pinned repos. unless thats all you do, switch it up. Star more things, makes you more attractive to follow.

Sup Forums isnt a fucking illegal club. More [good] repos the better, don't split this shit up.

Isn't Sup Forums that website that illegally stole celebrity nudes?

Being non-binary does though

It doesn't count for more than a degree, but both add additional value and can help you.

"yeah.. it is ... how are issues 441 and 442 going? i need them done by tomorrow"

or

"Yeah, wanna link me to your github?" ...
they usually respond with an insecure "i-i-i don-t-t really push anything user"

Only people who would actually care about that are non-coders. Implying people that don't code are worth my time. Luckily non-devs aren't allowed in my building lmao

I am not saying that people won't hire you because you have a Sup Forums related project on your github.
What I am genuinely afraid of happening is something akin to donglegate. You only need to trigger a sjw once summon to an angry mob that will flood your github issue tracker and twitter feed.

>Being scared of sfw
I dont have a twitter feed and i could use the extra attention on github (theres no dislike button) lol

Just start a blog. Write about interesting projects. Keep the posts short and include code samples and terminal outputs.

> t. $450K / year support lacky working in IB

>support lacky working in IB

what language is this

>theres no dislike button
There is.

Forgot to mention, focus on databases over coding. Mention what you can implement in your linked in profile.

32bit kdb is free to download and use. Cloudera and Horton works have free VMs. Spark is becoming super popular.

Don't fall for the meme of building pizza websites in node or expect the java market to be as strong in the next ten years as it was in the last ten.

IB is investment banking. Doesn't need to be IB either. Wealth management Is everywhere, hedge funds can be found in any largish town. Every phone company needs the same skills too. They all google for people with these skills all the time.

That's just reactions on posts. I aint posting shit if i get attacked by sjw. I'll be closing issues and messaging github support.

They can either star my repo, or they can leave?

>focus on databases over coding.
ahhh the cringe

>messaging github support
And guess who they'll side with.

Dependant on what you spent your free time with.
Linkedin is pretty much mandatory.
-If you are "just" studying, github is a plus, because you have a lot of free time and you can waste it on something usefull.
-If you are freelancer or working (need a cert) noone cares for your git, most projects are nda protected or closed source. Same for ngo and university group work.
And for the people being proud of no of commits: that doesn't matter in the slightest. Sometimes it even shows bad coding skills and planing, since those commits are mostly refactors. Only the quality produced matters.

And a really big plus is getting accepted as comitter for a big open source software.

People don't want to read your code, they want to watch your work ethics.
Github allows for that

that guy looks GAY AS FUCK.

I have never seen any real benefit from a LinkedIn profile.

>but for a little startup or web shop where it's more comfy and less stressful? they will dig in because they're small enough to care.

As if they are the best places for a software engineer to work, most people working there are nothing but hipster javascript code monkeys.

>for the people being proud of no of commits: that doesn't matter in the slightest.

Incorrect.
When youre looking for people to hire in a dev role (like i do), you see people who graduated with a cs degree and NEVER FUCKING CODE. You also see people who are literally writing code every day of the year.

It's a clear victory. We don't hire empty github profiles at my workplace.

Litter yours with keywords and see what happens.

I've actually had a few interviews go sour because of the 4chin-related projects on my github account.

>"So user, I see that you have some repos that pertain to "imageboards." Could you tell us what they are?"
"Yes, they're for an imageboard commonly known as Sup Forums."
>Interviewer's eyes go wide like I just clicked my heels and made a fucking Nazi salute in the room
>HR lady glares at me like I just shat on her lunch
>"Oh. Um, do you visit that website often?"
>Pause for a sec to come up with the right answer
"Mainly the board that talks about TV shows -- you see, it's kinda like Reddit where the "nasty stuff" only happens in a select few sub-boards that nobody likes."
>"Uhh, I see."
>Interviewer is still visibly flustered
>They thank me for my time after a few more questions
>I don't get the job

Didn't really do anything when I did it.

>It's a clear victory. We don't hire empty github profiles at my workplace.
Well, was part of HR because our senior was gone. We had a guy with 10k commits per year, after looking at the code analysis:
deleted lines: 100k
comitted lines: 110k

Would you hire this guy? Well then go ahead.

Good thing is, in my country HR lets you write code for a week and then hires you based on the results, but you seem like someone who just hires people fresh from college as code monkeys.

You're all NEETs, stop LARPing as professionals.

I'm the guy that sits in on interviews and asks more "technical" questions.

100k deleted / 110k commits in a single project probably just means they forgot to put something in the .gitignore and it polluted their project. If that person is the sole dev on that repo it matters even less. That's not a valid metric at all, you cant hold that against someone.

Anyway, 10k commits is probably retarded committing every line or something. There's an upper bound lmao

The stuff i work on, you're not going to be writing any code for at least 2 weeks.

On the other hand, would you hire someone who has an empty github profile?

Even if they had work experience, you don't know anything about their code other than trusting what they say.

They are the ones who hate their job and got the degree for the cs-hype-salary. If you don't go home and code, i don't want you.

It's like hiring a social media manager who doesn't have social media accounts.

Degree.


Not sure what the situation is in America where the degreless people ITT are from (because otherwise you'd have a degree), but here in Europe you have to have a BSc at the very minimum or an MSc in engineering for even the simplest of programming gigs.

Don't have one and you won't get called for an interview.

A decent GitHub profile is just icing on the cake.

Cake needs to be there, though.

In my comp, people get a trainee for a week, they can either choose to do it (for free) or decline. It repells idiots lying about their skills. I am working in a 200 person comp, so I can talk a lot of shit about hiring. We once had a database developer who always asked us at backend, how he should build the database structure. That was before the test week was introduced.

It was across several projects and he used git as some kind of local storage, because code was deleted, then added again and then again deleted.

After the week, you then go into the 4 week training.

I am not HR, just did it for a week. But in my opinion: it is based on what we are searching and what the persons cv looks like. If he for example was part of a well known consultant college group and has next to zero comitts, but has a long list of finished projects there, he is good to go for customer relation in a team.
You always have the problem of nda's. I have 31 github projects, but just two are public. When searching for a job just 3 companies wanted access to the private projects. Best is still having them code for sime time, let it be just an hour. It says more than github.

I am that user
First of B.Sc =/= B.Eng
Have to agree partially. Yes, most gigs are no no if you don't have a degree, but when I didn't even have a B.Sc I got hired by ABC for a 4 month project simply by my cv. But also had to heavy fight with indians, but I guess this time is gone with the increasing value of the euro.

it's 2017 faggot, we're all gay

I got a sweet spot at honeywell in 2nd year undergrad. You don't *need* a degree, but you will get thoroughly tested without one. They asked about some pretty unusual data structures at that time (position was just junior) like adaptive radix tree and how i would go about a concurrent version, lots of questions on cache-oblivious data structures in general, which was a very niche topic (and weird since i didn't get to use them at all). At that point, my CV was empty and github wasn't a thing. The uni having close relationship with them might have been the reason i got interviewed, but i was, as a matter of hiring proccess, tabula rasa.
Most of my class had job (at least part-time) by the time they started working on their thesis so i wasn't an outlier either.

>"become a DBA because node and java are memes and you'll just get outsourced and that's never happened to DBAs"

riiiiighttt

What "keywords", user?

no you don't you fucking autist, plz stop trying to justify your wasted years in uni.

i got a job at paypal as a dev with no degree, just projects on github.

Degrees are memes and the people in this thread advocating one are only trying to justify their time/money spent in uni.

You can become a very competent programmer without a degree, anyone who tells you otherwise is fucking retarded or full of shit.

How the hell do you have 70 repos and a single star?

Github does because your projects are proof that you know how to code. A CS degree just means you got into a lot of debt to listen to someone talk for 3 years.

Why would I want to be on github? I don't write programs for free just so people I don't even know might like me.

it's funny how retards always feel good about their goofy corporate slavery like I give a fuck about them
>I work PERSONALLY for mister noseberg

>European guy tells his story about different hiring methods in us and eu
>user jumps in and talks about american company
Maybe, just maybe read a whole post before replying? Most european devs need a degree of some sort. You can get hired, but you then just will be the it support till you are 67.

Absolutely

i work for paypal in sweden, didn't misread your original post

>why would i want to be on the contributors lists of popular pieces of software that headhunters trawl daily trying to find people with knowledge of said software for companies willing to pay $100+/hr for the said knowledge
lel

I am not that user. Who the fuck would stay several hours in a dead thread?
So you want to tell us, since you got hired for a 40 person team through git, it is the case for every job posted? I have not often seen someone so egocentrical.

Unless it's a project of decent complexity or significant contributions to OSS, no. We've had enough applicants link githubs with bullshit school projects and repos that are just them following along some tutorial.

Social networking is for women.

100+ is typo3 and you will find about 0 open github repos with open plugins. Same with Fortran.
Now I am interested, what company searches for programmer with github for 100+ when noone else in that field is giving out his work for free?

What? I have 24 stars and I've starred 29 other repositories

tech industry is cancer

If you're still here, I'd be interested in what you do at an investment bank.

I got my current job a couple of months ago, and they said it was mainly because of the shit that was on my github.
I also have a CS degree, though.

How the fuck do you people even find projects to contribute to? It seems like everything in project issues that looks interesting or is worth anything on a resume usually requires knowing the entire codebase inside out?
How the fuck do you contribute to that!?

I was right there from the start with the main project I contributed to, and started working on it when it still would have only been a couple of hundred of lines.

Although, when you're trying to contribute to an existing codebase, you need to take things slowly. Just try and do trivial/small fixes, and over time, you'll learn more about the codebase, and will be able to do more substantial things.
Also, if there is an IRC channel or something (there usually is), you should be on it.

tfw i have >1k commits, but it's all on a GHE instance :(

Experience or Degree

Then projects. Where I am experience trumps everything. It's cool if you have stuff on github, but ultimately you need to be able to prove you know your stuff.

To good places without a blue haired HR woman filtering out applicants, yes.

At any place where an actual, good, programmer is reading the resumes, they will be impressed by a list of quality open source projects.

I had a 4.0 GPA from U.C Berkeley and no social media profiles and was still able to get hired.

I'm doing the college route. I have a 130 IQ and I find college hard. I know this board is full of pretentious teenagers who don't know any better but people who are hiring will relate more to college grads than idiots who are supposedly self taught.

Everyone that experiences college realizes the self taught meme is just that, a meme. Especially if your reason for not going to college is stupid. Anything apart from too poor or something on that level is stupid.

Lmao kys retard the real free software development doesn't even happen at github.

>have a buddy who's in ROTC
>major is STEM but only barely
>goes to career fair to fuck around and search for short internships that he can bs
>gets offers from multiple companies and even some engineering offers even though he has zero experience and they know he cannot take the job immediately
>recruiters tell him they liked the fact that he could talk to them

tl;dr - If you're an autismo with zero confidence you will stay single and jobless

inb4- "But I got a job"- you're the outlier, not the norm

Simply false
Id take any lots-of-projects-on-github over degree with nothing to show
Because that is mostly what unis produce now
They dont teach the art of programming, they teach code monkey mentality
Most of the students i get need at least two months to get on track and some never start to produce the good shit

As far as ive seen, degrees mean you are ready to finish what you started but it translates to nothing else irl and its an expensive discipline course at that

Im sorry your life was a lie

I needed both to barely get a job after 1.5 years of trying. Uni helps with the degree AND with people to add on LinkedIn and use as references early on AND by putting you in group projects AND because companies mostly only want interns who are in school.

GitHub helps tremendously by giving you a way to show people all the work you've done and how often you work. LinkedIn also helps tremendously IF you have a GOOD photo, a solid amount of contacts, and good writing, because it makes people think you're not a bum.

Do both. Go to school, and put every program in a GitHub repo while adding all your classmates on LinkedIn and showing well in group projects and getting an A in strategically chosen classes so that you can use your teammates and professors as references later. Finally, on your own time, when you can, either contribute to open source projects, study algorithms/data structures/time complexity (for interviews), or start personal projects.

Sounds like a lot, but it's really not.

>"Yes, they're for an imageboard commonly known as Sup Forums."
why specify that?

just say they're like forums or BBS for specific interests you like to visit or something, nobody's gonna ask more than that

Hey, bro. If you're a kid looking for their first job, poor job stability doesn't mean shit.

It's a non-sketchy way of tacking a personal photo onto your resume. If you have a good photo - one that shows you put more effort into it than reaching your arm out to take a selfie in your poorly lit poverty bedroom - then you look like someone who is "with it", which makes you more hire-able.

You can also distance yourself from looking like a bum by having a good number of connections. Many connections and endorsements suggest that you're not hiding in your bedroom all day doing nothing and instead are out there being productive in society.

You can also write a short blurb on LinkedIn. Based on how you format it, your grammar, how well you can actually reach your reader, etc, you can paint yourself as an asset or, once again, a bum.

Those are the benefits.