tl;dr durr things only ever get better, even though what I'm saying contradicts the law of economics themselves.
When you have one tool that can do the job of 2-3 sysadmins, I'm sorry, but that's a job loss, not a gain. 1 will have a job in tech, and the other 2 will have to retrain into something else.
>COdemonkeys don't escape either
H1B is being ramped up, not down. Pressure from Silicon Valley to have high schools across the nation start kids in programming is working. Mass propaganda that coding is the key to megabux is working, the market is being flooded. Webdev is already saturated, and they're coming for your python now.
>unironically posting a reddit link Go back, nigger. Not your personal army.
Elijah Carter
It is a fucking stupid, ignorant position, only one that retarded techies can hold.
It goes more like this: 90's and early 2000's had increasing automation along with a huge uptick in the number of tech jobs available, since everyone was modernizing their office processes.
There would be even more tech jobs today if there hadn't been automation. The 90's and 2000's were just a silicon boom. They make Clinton's presidency look good for fuck sake.
Automation doesn't make more jobs, that is asinine.
Noah Baker
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Joseph Russell
>re-ddit >liberal Based Sowell has lots of fans on there. You must not go to the right subs. Liberals have ruined re-ddit by censoring a lot of them but there are still quite a few good ones.
Parker Wilson
Economic costs are fundamentally derived from worker compensation at virtually all levels.
The fewer people involved in creating, distributing, marketing, and selling your product, the lower your costs will be. All costs are human costs, because humans are the engines which translate energy into useful work.
The goal of automation is to get rid of as many humans as possible at as many levels as possible. In doing this, economic costs drop through the floor and production becomes incredibly cheap, resulting in more competitive products. There will never be more people employed - everything about technology is about increasing economic efficiency, not decreasing it - the more people employed, the more expensive your production will be.
Anyone who thinks there will be more jobs in the future is fooling themselves. All jobs that can be automated will be automated without something metaphysical and supernatural about human consciousness to make it impossible to replicate.
People who say robots cannot replace people are making the implicit statement that they believe in magic.
NO SHIT. THEY ARE THE AVATAR OF THE FUCKED UP NIGGER MASSES WHO DONT KNOW SHIT. EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND DO AND THINK IS WRONG. 100% OPPOSITE. WRONG.
Oliver Peterson
How about coding?
I'm generally of the opinion that coding isn't really going away like syadminning is, but I'm open to hearing how it could be.
The strongest argument I've seen, and one I could believe, is that coding gets so abstracted that even grandmas could do it in the future.
Jace Johnson
>The strongest argument I've seen, and one I could believe, is that coding gets so abstracted that even grandmas could do it in the future
I think it's more likely that they will just start teaching it to highschoolers like they do with math or reading/writing. High level programming gigs like software design will still be safe but code monkeying will become the new retail job.
Joshua Ward
>sfotware design
shit like business analysis, system analysis/design, etc?
Christian Peterson
Means of production will be so efficient and cheap it's likely many companies would give them for free... For a price of course.
There will still be jobs, esp self employed stuff. But it'll likely be that being a NEET then will be much more acceptable, if not odd.
Lincoln Collins
This particular black man is white than you are faggot. While you are a mindless faggot who only knows how to spout memes and buzzwords, Thomas Sowell goes the distance that white men should be capable of and breaks up all wage statistics into sources and sub-categories and disproves all retarded feminists claims of unjust wage inequality, one such instance that contributes to the general number for example being that temporary jobs which are taken more frequently by women are logically paid less than full-time jobs which are more frequently taken by men, ergo this category among many others contributes to a rational and just wage gap.
Lucas Ward
fuck this thread, and not because of the redditing
im scared now
William Martinez
Yeah man he is so BASED.
William Edwards
He is not based, he is what normal (and especially white) people should all be like: Educated and with a tendency to actually investigate shit and break it down on paper.
Leo Ross
At a certain point an AI does that too.
I don't even know wtf we're going to do unless we go full Butlerian Jihad on thinking machines
Isaiah Morales
>people think that automation is gonna kill the industry within 5 years even though the hospital I work at is still running Win2k boxes
top zozzle. reddit fags think we are in the future
Carter Sanchez
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Noah Harris
point is, it's already killing the industry. This shit flows downstream. It's getting harder and harder to find true sysadmin jobs, that entire. fucking. field. of IT has been virtualized, clouded, and automated into something that a hiring manager hires a couple coders to do.
This is already happening in the major centers of IT. It will flow downstream to even the most retarded cesspit like hospitals.
An yes, there still will be IT jobs. The point is there will be far, far, far fewer of them.
And the pay is going to be shit.
Samuel Evans
Machine learning + ai.
Dominic Hughes
so then we're fucked?
What won't be fucked? How can I be better than the other 7 billion future neets?
Lucas Green
>he doesn't know about the hype cycle
AI will replace human labor but not for a couple of decades. Watson is already falling short of basically all of its alleged capabilities and more AI systems are soon to follow. It's been fun but it will be downhill from here.
Hudson Kelly
If only millions of foreign invaders weren't imported into the country then we wouldn't have to worry about creating more jobs.
Michael Thompson
If robots can provide me super cheap food, then go for robots and fuck taxes.
Jace Turner
chop wood. your new tool chain is a tool belt. and it's made of leather.
Hudson Perry
Capitalism is fucked. Socialism is completely compatible with full automation.
Nolan Diaz
I'd have zero, zero problems with that if it meant access to high quality pussy.
Benjamin Fisher
Capitalism is more compatible, because robots can take care of basic things and products will be cheaper as fuck. With 10 dollars you can buy food for a month, so people will be available for better jobs.
Jacob Williams
This is why you build up your wealth aggressively and early. >Get job that pays $125k/yr >Dump GF, she costs too much money. Get a doggo if you want a companion >Live with roomies, cook at home, only purchase what is absolutely necessary >Max out retirement accounts >Save 60% of your pretax income, invest it all in low cost broad market ETFs >Millionaire in 10 years >Be comfy
Wyatt Howard
YAWN
Dylan King
>Capitalism is more compatible, because robots can take care of basic things and products will be cheaper as fuck.
Where are you going to get that money when all the jobs are done by robots?
Matthew Bell
Yeah sure, how do you know the owner of robots is hoing to sell it to you for cheap?
Gavin Jones
If all the jobs necessary for living are done by robots, then why are you worried? They're literally almost free workers, people will have to use their brain instead of their muscles.
Jackson Fisher
>just one person own all the robots
Xavier Johnson
>If all the jobs necessary for living are done by robots, then why are you worried? It's not just some jobs. Once we get general AI it will be ALL jobs. Capitalists don't want to pay wages for anything PERIOD. AI will destroy capitalism.
David Evans
>Anyone who thinks there will be more jobs in the future is fooling themselves. Gee, that's probably exactly what people said when the industrial revolution began. Humans have always been optimizing workflow with the goal of requiring less human labour to complete a task. We have literally done this for all of eternity. And now of all times people are spreading automation FUD.
Brandon Martin
Yeah man that would be like one company controlling virtually all social media or something. What a total farce.
Zachary Thomas
No it wouldn't.
Mason Fisher
Just unplug the fucking computer, job's done.
Too much Terminator over here.
Chase Reed
Yeah it would be more like 2 or 3 very large companies. Oh and they would be largely owned by the same small group of very rich people.
David Wilson
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Jaxson Baker
money discussion is not tech discussion
Evan Garcia
Funny sysadmins will dead because meme cloud whole point meme cloud is instead of pay $65000 to $100000 a some neckbeard Linux years, makes software developer works as DevOps, people say Amazon or Azure is expensive, but never put cost save in sysadmins.
Josiah Morris
The small shitty startup I work for does this. The results are subpar Ito say the least.
Evan Williams
And who watches the watchmen? The cloud should have some sysadmins
Eli Price
ITT: insecure no-skills worried about their jobs because they know they don't add anything of value.
Grayson Hill
t. brainlet
AI will replace everyone.
Jose Moore
The point, software developer making system could mananger thousand machines, general software cloud, only sysadmins becomes data center employs begins 30 or 50 jobs by dozens thousand servers.
Easton Thompson
BASED NIGGER, MAGA KEKISTAN LOL
Juan Martin
Pretty accurate description of the IT community
Colton Hill
Calm your tits Elon, it won't happen.
Adrian Howard
>do embedded C >literally nobody wants to do it because it isn't glamorous >pajeets are too dumb to do it >women are too dumb to do it >every piece of automation equipment needs it Everything coming up user.
Parker Adams
>/r/financialindependence
Second step can be discarded if you date QT STEM girl that makes more than you. I'm at the wheel when it comes to financial decision making though.
what does embedded c development entail and how do I get into it
Julian King
if you have to ask that you'll never make it kid
Nathaniel Robinson
Unlike pajeet coding you need to know both electronics and coding.
Blake Ross
unfortunately for you, you have to be born to do it
Leo Baker
It's a meme. Embedded shit will be one of the first things that are automated.
Gabriel Davis
doubt it
Landon Morales
Programming C is least import part. Electronics,physics,mathematics,statistic and microcontroles knowledge are huge part.
Benjamin Martin
I am now only more motivated to learn about it
Jayden Sanders
Same, I'm trying to learn it too.
But you need to get into it because you love it, not for money, or you will give up.
It's one of the hardest areas.
Cameron Evans
low level system design is my dream, I don't care about the money. I just want to build the foundation for everything computers
Cooper Powell
Then you will succeed. Passion is what is needed.
Noah Thomas
Automation will take a lot of people's jobs before it gets to mine, because if you're literate enough to use a computer, and you're literate enough to program a computer, you're not easy to replace. Automation tools for programming and server administration just amplifies the amount that can be accomplished, and its a process that has been going on since computers were a thing, that's why you have IDEs and you're not punching binary computer codes into cards anymore.
The problem is that you need a certain IQ to be useful in the world, and as the world gets more complicated the baseline IQ needed to be useful goes up. IQ is by far the strongest predictor of professional success, and it basically boils down to how fast someone can learn and work. If it takes one person 30 minutes to learn how to do something, and it takes someone else 3 days to learn that same thing, the first person will be more successful in life.
So there's currently about 10% of the population that is literally too stupid to learn a skill that anyone will pay them to do or which isn't already done by robots. Even the army won't recruit people with less than 80 IQ. Driver is the single largest employment category in the world for men, and self-driving cars are going to wipe that out next. And nobody knows what to do about it. Because the left's position is that everyone is the same and its just a case of education or some people simply don't succeed in life due to oppression, and the right's position is that everyone is the same and its all about hard work. However in reality there are strong indications that IQ is heavily influenced by biological factors and we have no known reliable method of improving people's IQ.
So... as stupid as it sounds if you're smart enough to use a computer and be on this board, its currently still possible for you to learn some marketable skill, or relearn another one if your current one gets automated.
Owen Turner
Haha nice reference dude
Ebin
Isaac Nelson
This is true. Also at my work all the embedded developers are 40+ years old. It is the one software development field I've seen that resists the age discrimination, in fact if anything it discriminates against people fresh out of school.
Nolan Perez
At least credit JP if youre gonna copy/paste his shit.
Jonathan Butler
Yeah, I recently trained in it and can't find anything entry level.
Building up my resume and shit as much as I can, but a year out of school I want anything I can get in the field.
Aaron Reyes
You have to understand that 99% of people don't have a fucking clue how computers work. 80% of IT workers don't know shit. So if you put 30-hour of work in each day then you are the top 1%. If you put the effort in the money will come.
Also who even gives a shit about money to a certain extent. If I'm enjoying myself on the weekends doing what I want then I'm better off than 99.99999% of humans that have ever lived.
Gavin Clark
30 minutes to an hour*
Josiah Morales
If any of you are serious about learning embedded development and if you already have a solid handle on basic C, go through this course and learn to love it:
It's the second step in the journey of becoming a good embedded developer. The referenced text book by this course is good too.
Jackson Roberts
Thanks man
Juan Murphy
brown pilled
Robert Lopez
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Joseph Evans
Not sure what you are implying, but if you are suggesting that the course is pajeet-tier, you would be wrong. CMU CS courses are known for their rigor.
Andrew Hernandez
It's an interesting problem.
We are certainly seeing some shit go down. Traditional sysadmins are getting buttfucked. Low end coders are getting buttfucked. Total jobs in tech are probably going down slightly or staying flat. It's not nearly as lucrative as it used to be.
I also don't buy the argument that more automation makes more jobs. More population makes more jobs.
I don't have the answer on what is going to be lucrative 5 years from now. Maybe it is blockchain tech, who knows.
Everything seems miserable and fucked up right now. If I had the answers I'd be rich right now.
Jace Cruz
I just want to make enough to survive and raise a family... is that too much to ask.
Jose Mitchell
Getting to be.
Used to be you could support a family, by yourself, as a working man.
Then to pull that off by yourself you had to have a high paying career with plentiful advancement options.
Now it's practically impossible. You need both partners working fulltime.
Soon enough, (we're already there, desu), even that won't be enough.
Welcome to hell.
Xavier Allen
I'm scared.
I worked my whole life to be an engineer, and now I can't even find an entry level job.
I don't know what I was supposed to do, I did everything right and still can't get a job, now I'll never be able to get a wife and have a family.
I feel like a failure, but I don't know what else I could have done.
Josiah Nguyen
I think what le economist black man would say in this situation, in addition to the other 2 sysadmins training in another job, the automation reduced the price of that product and service, so now consumers are free to spend that somewhere else, so demand overall goes up instead of being wasted in the inefficiency of 2 sysadmins vs automation.
More or less related, I don't see automation taking certain trades, at least not in the next few years, shit like plumbing, welding, machining, etc unless it's standardized part which could be made on an assembly line. Machining in particular has had it fair share of automation however i really don't see it being fully automated because of the infinite probably of parts, you just can't make a machine, robot and ai that can account for all the possibilities and difficulties when it comes to metal working. You also can't make a machine that could do the quality control for an infinite type of part, at least not with the current technology.
Wyatt Rogers
You're not alone, user. I have a tenuous grasp on my own career in I.T.
I have nothing but a looming dread for the future. Nothing is getting better. I'm not going to advance no matter what skills I learn, no matter what security best practices or devops horseshit I learn.
There are 5 other fuckers out there doing the exact same thing I am doing, trying to keep their heads afloat as well. Except they have families, I don't.
I spent 7 years figuring my shit out and getting a bachelor. I don't want that time to have been wasted.
All I can say, from one user to another, is hang the fuck in there.
Isaac Gutierrez
Thankfully for me my family has money, so I will probably be set with prudent investment and a pajeet tier job for life.
But it's not enough to have a family, and that's what makes me sad. If I want to ever have kids, I need to get a 100k job.
Landon Martin
meh, don't care. I'm an EE with an interest in RF and microwave analog signal processing and telecommunications and radar stuff. Almost nobody is getting into that stuff and most of the greybeards will begin to die soon. Existing infrastructure needs to be maintained and new infrastructure needs to be developed.
Demand will never be amazingly high but it'll also never be so low that you won't be able to find a job. It'll have high job stability and the complexity of RF design will filter out the autists and the normies.
Nicholas Bennett
I'm looking into law myself. IP/patent law is pretty locked down by people who have both a J.D. and a bachelors or more in a technical field. An it pays well.
There are other areas of law that are still good, like environmental. Maybe there is something to be made with cryptocurrencies and law as well.
Other than that, all I can say is try to hit it big in finance, wether mainstream finance or cryptos.
Cryptos might save us all. The system is corrupt, rotten, and horrible. Crypto is wild as fuck, but at least we aren't locked out entirely.
Gabriel Evans
I'm an EE by training, do you think I could self train to that?
I chose embedded, but want to expand my skillset, I'm the engineer who can't find a job.
Christian Smith
Sure if you're good with math and are solid with your low frequency circuit theory which you will be building on. Prepare to have everything you know about electronics turned upside down.
If you can't get past the resume barrier then it's probably an issue with your resume. Tailor each one to the business you're applying to. No offense but if you've done 200 resumes and gotten nothing it sounds like you have been sending out a carbon copy of your resume to each and every employer. Research the company and the role their looking to fill and really try to tune your resume around that. Like if a company is really looking for someone with PLC experience and you have experience with PLCs make sure you highlight that a bit more than your other skills. Also you're gonna have to talk yourself up a bit more than likely, everyone does. Don't outright lie but a little embellishment will probably be necessary however be ready to give more detailed answers if they ask about stuff though. Perfecting a resume to get past the HR filter really is an art. Make sure to follow up with phone calls.
At an interview the biggest thing is don't be autistic. It's not hard to make an HR peon believe in you if you believe in you. I'd also bring some sample projects you've built to an interview along with associated schematics, a brief description of the operating theory, and PCB layouts if applicable. One thing I like to do since I have a lot of old test equipment on my bench is make repair/cal logs since some gear I buy is broken and I repair it. If a position I'm applying for has any kind of testing/troubleshooting associated with it it's always nice to bring those logs to show I have experience doing that kind of work and working with test equipment in general.
The first one is always the hardest.
Nicholas Thompson
>hurr when you have one truck that can carry the goods of 1000 labourer, we will all have no jerbs
>even though what I'm saying contradicts the law of economics themselves.
You have no idea about economics
Owen Gutierrez
Serious question: What specialty did you go into to be an unemployed EE? Did you repeatedly fail the FE or something? Get a felony on your record? I've been working as an EE in control systems for 9 years and I'm just constantly inundated with job offers. Didn't even graduate from a top 10 school, had a mediocre GPA, no internship, etc. There's just huge fucking demand for EE man. What are you doing?
Nicholas Price
Not him, but this is literally the exact opposite of what I'm hearing.
Andrew Bennett
Ok, so what are you hearing? I'm seriously curious. Maybe it's just a regional or particular to my skillset. I dunno. Everyone I graduated with, barring a couple guy who obviously cheated their asses off and couldn't pass the FE, got jobs right off and recruiters are talking to us all the time.
