Russia could beat America in a conventional war

>Russia could beat America in a conventional war

Not even American (ignore the flag, I'm really a kiwi cuck) but you seriously aren't retarded enough to believe this right?

Americans have:
>bigger budget
>better equipment right down to their standard issue small arms
>better, more comprehensive training
>better navy
>better air force
>can deploy from anywhere almost
>more soldiers

What edge exactly does Russia have over the Americans? I can't think of a single one. Kek, Russia's only historical meme advantage over other countries was its winters but even that isn't an issue anymore since Americans can just deploy their soldiers into large cities in like a few hours.

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Yeah, that's why they bully Europeans and not America

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uhmmm... No, nobody thinks that, everyone know that the US alone could btfo them...

Idk, nazis also used to be better equipped but we beat them. Same goes for Napolen.

>Americans have:
>>bigger budget
>>better equipment right down to their standard issue small arms
>>better, more comprehensive training
>>better navy
>>better air force
>>can deploy from anywhere almost
>>more soldiers
so did nazis
you can't defeat us murica, let it go

Americans has no real war experience. I think that matters. Your budget is cool and all but we beat rich guys since middle ages. Anyways big wars are history in the current year.

>Russians beating Napoleon

FUCKING KEK, who told you this? Russia Today? You don't seriously believe the superiority of Russia's military had anything to do with Napoleon retreating right?

Russian military doctrine encourages the use of tactical nuclear devices in conventional warfare.

>Americans can just deploy their soldiers into large cities in like a few hours.
when did you sick cunts develop teleportation technology

It's called a helipcopter, they've been around for quite a while now

they have sexy spies that can even dupe james bond

>Russia could beat America in a conventional war
No one thinks like that though

Did Hollywood brainwahs you about his war as well or are you just memeing?

you're gonna fly thousands of helicopters to st. petersburg undetected?

a cunning plan

even if Murcia conquers Russia they wont survive Russian depression and vodka

They've been doing it for a while now

Americans have air superiority over Russia

muriccans dunno about the general winter,he is badass

Anti-air weapons and radar too

kek, stealth bombers and drones

Who ever invades loses
But in a level neutral ground, Russia BTFO

like they did in serbia?

we'd show them how into

>drones
>relevant in anything other than killing civilian goatfuckers

It's called Global Projection...

Except the U.S. wouldn't be fighting a land war in Russia in winter. Any fighting they did do would be defensively in Europe, and even if they did their logistical systems are far more sophisticated and robust than what Napleon or the Nazis had. The Germans actually had real problems with logistics in 1941, like 60% of their supply units were equipped with horse-based transport.

>Russia could beat America in a conventional war


t. no one since 1991

Are troops an equipment that important? i mean, they could just nuke each other to oblivion

t. RT

Russians are bitter people who live in a de facto dictatorship. It's only natural they would hate America, as it's the only country that's strong enough to challenge their oppressive and undemocratic world view. Obviously, Russia doesn't stand a chance against America. They have poorly engineered tin cans with guns slapped onto theme. They can't afford the highly sophisticated, cutting edge equipment that America uses.

That will just turn them into Russians

Poland cannot survive it too and asked for a independence.

>nukes
>not having gone the way of Mustard Gas

Nobody will ever use nukes ever again. Not even India or Pakistan. Everyone realises how retarded doing so would be. In a sense, they really are the best deterrence against widespread war. Nobody wants to invade another country that has nukes. It's why America leaves North Korea relatively alone

Nukes were made for that. And talking about country who burned their capital city to win.

They didn't use them in Afghanistan.

>And talking about country who burned their capital city to win
Wait, did you burn Moscow when Napoleon was approaching?

uhh you both did,1812 in muriccans and that napoleon thing to you

>so did nazis
>more soldiers
HAHAHA

Russians don't really hate anything unless the government tells them to hate since they have almost no ability for independence of thought or critical thinking. For example everyone hated Ukraine two years ago and now most of them probably can't even find it on a map.

They wouldn't have been tactfully useful since they were fighting farmers.

Against a well organized army they would be very useful against something like a FOB.

This thread is pure cringe.

Russia since the 60s has never believe they had conventional parity with the US. Nuclear wise, totally different story. Russia holds total faith in its nuclear arsenal.

This is reflected by doctrine and budget focus.

That was right after they got done beating up Sweden and annexing you.

Stop making these retarded Russia vs. US threads. Russians are our friends now :3

Well, not really.

When the soviets were in afghanistan they were nation building, using tactical nukes against rock farmers wouldve completely alienate their afghan socialist allies, their own people back at home (the war was already extremely unpopular) and it would give the US moral vindication in an ideological war.

>Russia holds total faith in its nuclear arsenal

Not very valuable when said nuclear arsenal is still at a 1970s technological level.

who cares about the technology level. They have a couple thousand ICBMs. If anyone was ever to try and beat them in a war they could destroy the entire world

>Nobody will ever use nukes ever again. Not even India or Pakistan. Everyone realises how retarded doing so would be. In a sense, they really are the best deterrence against widespread war

This is utterly shite. This is not a fact. If none would use them, there would be no credibility behind the deterrent.

When Trump is elected, Russia and America will be best friends >:3

Yours wasn't any better last time I checked

>Moscow 1812
>capital of Russia

>finno-american education

russians would use them in nuclear tipped torpedoes agains us carrier groups,pakis and pajeets have little tolerance towards each other so pakistani strike to india would quite predictable

Anti air weaponry in Turkey and other European countries could destroy those nukes before they even leave Russia. The only thing Russia could destroy is itself.

And so does much of the US stock, the US government has allowed it's strategic nuclear force in remain in a dire state.

Most of our investment is in SLBMs rather than ICBMs though.

No one would use them in a first strike.
Everyone would in a second strike. That is literally the whole point.

Assuming they even work and the soldiers guarding the missile silos didn't sell the wiring off to buy Krokodil.

Yeah I know it wasn't the capital back then, but same principle.

Literally no one except the most brainwash russiaboo believes that and even with them doubt gnaws their souls.

I can say with pretty good certainty that our nuclear arsenal is better maintained and our tech personnel didn't all skedaddle out of the country in the 90s.

Nothing in my post disputs this. Russia by doctrine has never drawn much of a line between conventional and nuclear weaponry.

No it wouldn't.

BMD is extremely difficult to do and provides very bad bang for buck. Current US BMD defences at best, could stop 20-30 missiles at most.

>get rekt by vietnamese farmer
>get rekt by sandnigger

No it doesn't.

They do.

You believe everyone follows the principles of MAD, this is simply not true.

That is beside the point of what I have said.

>Idk, nazis also used to be better equipped but we beat them.

are you fucking retarded? the whole world was fighting the germans, + the foreign aid your people got during that time, + the size of The soviet union, "russians" didnt do shit, even those who stormed berlin were mostly ukrainians, belarussians, and even the guy who hanged the soviet flag over reichstag was a Churka

Didn't some kraut land a Cessna in Red Square in the 80s back when they were a superpower with the world's strongest military?

>Russia could beat America in a conventional war

They don't have to they can just release emails and america falls down

This was only because you zerg rushed. America's population is 3x Russia's, that strategy wouldn't work

The true winner would be....nobody. Because if we went to war, everybody gets fucking nuked.

To be honest, getting nuked is how I wanna die.

>They can easily deploy forces in large cities.
I doubt they could easily fo that even in Iran
>They will fight defensive war in Europe.
When was the last time USA fought defensive war? If anyone ever starts this war it will be the US.

SAMs and fighters didn't get permission to fire because lmao nigga it's a cessna

Getting nuked is not a good way to die unless you're in the blast zone and are totally unaware you will get nuked.
Otherwise you'll die due to either societal collapse or radiation sickness, they're both shit ways to die m8.

>This was only because you zerg rushed
Actually, during the opening months of Opertion Barbarossa, it was the Germans who outnumbered Soviet troops, since they didn't have enough time to properly deploy their divisions.
Once Germany lost its numerical and equipment advantage and overextended their supply lines, they started getting dicked.

>the whole world was fighting the germans
This meme again. They took France like in .. 2 weeks? or 2 days?

Hitler had pretty much the same army in numbers, especially before late 1943. Sovirt generals just learned how to create numeral supremacy in exact moments that were needed. For example Kursk. Germans just failed to keep Citadel in secret so soviets managed to gather a fucking million people, no new super duper tigers and panthers could help in such situation. That's called being outplayed.

Some US nukes has to literally use disk flops.... the big ones to work.

The thing went totally undetected across hundreds of miles of Soviet territory. It was a pretty grave embarrassment to the Kremlin.

Also KAL 007 ought to be evidence that they had no particular issues with shooting down civvie aircraft.

>nuclear exchange will turn the world into Fallout

No it won't, plenty of countries would be perfectly habitable. It wouldn't wipe out humanity unless both sides unleashed fucking everything.

In fact the US planned for that eventuality and I believe the idea was for the government to flee to Australia and rule in exile.

That's because modern electronics will be just fried during EM blast. We use the same stuff.

In fact back in 1981, the US Navy conducted a series of training maneuvers in the Arctic Ocean just off the Siberian coast which also went undetected, proving the weakness of Soviet radar capabilities.

daily reminder

The Netherlands has already defeaten Russia in a war in the past.

Haters gonna hate.

Imagine if it was shot down. Like it happened with korean plane.
>Cruel communist regime kills innocent pilot.
He was guided all his way, officers and generals just.were afraid to shoot him.

Anything with solid state electronics would get cooked by EMPs though, whether it's from 1976 or 2016.

It was guided from the very border.

Didn't KAL 007 supposedly have CIA agents on it? There's rumors it was not truly a civilian aircraft flight.

So have SAMs.

EMPs are a meme.

You would not use a nuclear weapon for such a niche and inconsequential effect.

t. Cuckold

what if soviets kept doing secret operations all over US territory, but none of them were ever exposed?

Nah. I study in uni that created soviet nukes. Electronics department exactly. There means of protection. We were.taught hugher maths course by a dude who was working exactly on solving this problem in 60's. Special electronics will just flash during EMP and then start working immidiately after that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_invasion_of_Holland

The Netherlands is the most powerful country in the world.

>Nobody will ever use nukes ever again.

Tinfoil hatters claim that, but then I could just as easily say Iran Air 655 had a load of Hezbollah terrorists on their way to Israel, so w/e. Only the CIA knows and they ain't talking.

At the high point of the cold war, the soviet intelligence services had technological superiority for spywear.

All of Russia's landbased ICBMs are from 1980 onwards.

Every single one of ours is from before 1985.

MH17 was full of navy seals desu

You mean it was actually shot down by Canada?

Gonna need a source.

And only 4 million Russians left since 1990. They have enough technical personell lmao.

These ICBMs are not complex.

They didn't by any means. I read how there was this one exchange of US and Soviet spies in the 70s and of course the KGB confiscated all the James Bond gear our guys were carrying before sending them back, and they were disturbed at how much more technically sophisticated it was than their stuff.

These talks about some superiority is bullshit. All these "we were 1 step ahead" would mean nothinf after a fucking month of hypothetical ww3. That war would be just terrible mess, nobody was really interested in it after soviets made their nuke. If not that I guess americans would execute their plan in 1953(0? can't remember exactly) and USSR would be just nuked out of existance.