Muslim terrorist attack in France this morning.
The priest died (he was slained). Several people wounded.
According to french medias, terrorists yelled "Allah Akhbar" and at least one of them is part of ISIS and tried to rally Syria several times.
This is insane.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785
>insane
No, this is France.
looks like ISIS will get their wish of bringing civil war to europe
Thanks, Obama for indirectly creating ISIS. We all appreciate it.
>there are still no calls for a crusade
Seriously? WHEN?
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Pretty sure Francis will defend Muslims before defending his own fucking priests.
Vatican II gutted the Catholic Church.
Francis is not a legitimate pope:
maurizioblondet.it
tl;dr Ratzinger was forced to leave when (((they))) excluded the Vatican bank from the SWIFT, which means it was impossible to buy or sell
Revelation 13:17
>so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
War you want muslims.
War you shall have.
Popes today are faggots, where will never be a crusade anymore.
Muslims aren't the problem, it's the terrorist.
Terrorism has no religion.
here your you
Francis is the leader of modern leftists in Europe.
That's a sad fact.
Crusades are one of the reasons the church is not popular today. Not that anyone would give a fuck about what the Pope has to say, whether he is Francis or Pope Murderocious Crusader 6000
t. Abdullah al-Turki
hopefully it'll be the last one:
en.wikipedia.org
>inb4 they will destroy Rome to have the prophecy fulfilled
wasnt me :^)
ISIS wants people to be Islamaphobic. They want us to really really hate Muslims. Why? Because this will help drive Muslims to join ISIS.
They entered the church they knew they weren't there to make friends. They were there to make enemies. Don't give ISIS what they want. Crusades etc. would just make more Muslims join ISIS. Don't let them make us mad. Love will always defeat hate in the end.
>Love will always defeat hate in the end
Trudeau please!
I have a hard time believing """they'd""" exclude the vatican out of swift for political reasons when """they""" wont even exclude russia for invading ukraine and annexing crimea.
>non-sequitur reference to a "crusade", something nobody is seriously considering
You were doing well, but that's where you jumped the shark. You'll get replies anyway, of course.
>Don't give ISIS what they want
>would just make more Muslims join ISIS
I fail to see how either of these points can be considered negative.
>"The Catholic Church cannot take weapons other than those of prayer and brotherhood among men."
Yes you fucking can, we've done it before. Defend your faith and values REEEEEE
See: Yes people are always calling for a Crusade, and no, nothing would make ISIS numbers surge more.
Then you are a cooperator with ISIS and you share their same goals.
Personally I don't. I want to live in a world where terrorism is a thing of the past. Muslim, atheist, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. live together and nobody judges or hates because of it.
How many actual Church-going Christians remain in Europe?
Like, "I-care-for-the-Church's-opinion" tier.
> I want to live in a world where terrorism is a thing of the past. Muslim, atheist, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. live together and nobody judges or hates because of it.
me too but they have to go back to their own countries first
>Muslim
I'll need evidence that he/she fasted for Ramadan and prays 5 times day...
Oh wait, don't have any? Thought so
Obviously some considering the Church itself is in Europe. [Vatican City]. But not very very many. When I went to Church in Germany it was so packed but probably with tourists like myself who wanted to see the olden Christo European architecture.
Even in the olden days, most medieval guys wanted to party and have sex and religion is often excuse to party. Plus you got to look at some pretty buildings etc. I don't think there was ever a time when the common man got excited about new Church statements or documents. Its always been mostly internal. Remember the time the Vatican told the conquistadors to stop enslaving and mistreating Native Americans? They didn't give a fuck then.
eastern europe and italy still have a lot of church goers, France's attendance are meh to minimal, i don't know for the iberian countries nor germoney.
The fact is, attendance or not, a pope called for a modern crusade would hake up the entire political system in europe.
Yes, but how many of those Church goers would actually respond well to a Crusade being called?
>pope called for a modern crusade would hake up the entire political system in europe
Yeah, sure, but I cannot think that the response would be anything except "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Church is symbolic and neutered nowadays, and that's exactly how it should be. Look at ISIS, terrorist freaks because they take religion too seriously.
>a pope called for a modern crusade would hake up the entire political system in europe.
lel u actually believe this?
You do not understand how encroached religion is with politics.
I disagree. Church was always symbolic. People wanted to go on Crusades back then because it became acceptable to do so, and if you make it acceptable to use violence, violent people will rise to the occasion/
Some of the Crusades went directly against the Church's wishes.
If tomorrow the Pope said "get them Muslims" I bet a lot ofpeople would use that as an excuse to be violent. The Pope won't though.
Multiculturalism inevitably leads to violence. The quicker everyone internalises this the less suffering there will be.
I'm fairly certain the Crusades were 99% to loot and 1% for other things.
Not much, I'd wager.
If i recall, many countries defines themselves as christians. Many politicians invoke religion in their speeches.
A call for crusade would spark an europe wide debate on laicity within the governments of europe. Not to say a debate within european christians. It would also mean there's been a red line crossed on how the situation of islam in europe evolved. If the pope play his cards well, it could be interpretated as a desperate call for help to act on the disease called european islam and how it affect other religions.
But most Europeans don't see islam as a disease, which is why this thing is happening.
They'd call the pope racist and condemn the church even more than it already is.
If there will be a new crusade, I would like to praticipate to recover the honour of my family...
I rather hope everything will be fine in the Middle-East...
I would say the Inquisition
Most european act like sheeps concerning politics. They'll have their opinions at homes but will go as far as to contradict them in public not to pass for the pariah of the street. you just need to look at internet and the comment section of big newspapers to see.
Exactly, but the socially acceptable opinion would not be HELL YEA GAS THE MUSLIMS RELIGIOUS WAR NOW.
The inquisition does still exist. They are not just as cruel as they used to be.
Inquisition was never as bad as ISIS, a lot of the 'torture devices' they supposedly used were made up from Protestants for extra titillation purposes.
I think what really made people mad at Christianity was that Christianity says porno is wrong and for our current era that is too much.
I go but the rest is mostly older people where I live
before the 30 years war, vatican was a real political power and what pope said mattered.
He could for example excommunicate rulers and people cared about this shit
>I'm fairly certain the Crusades were 99% to loot and 1% for other things.
They were basically if rest called at the request of the Byzantines. The western Christian nibulity were just raiding rival lords so it was a way to focus their furor away from other Christians. Later ones were for wealth and prestige for the nobility (crusaders and Muslim leaders would ally against rivals from their own sides. It was a giant cluster fuck) but your average volunteer did it for religion and absolution.
Crusades were mainly a thinly veiled way to let the younger heirs of nobility claim a domain, as they couldn't inherit them "at home".
>Inquisition was never as bad as ISIS
I'm pretty sure they were, familia.
this
Did the common man care, or did just political rivals use that as an excuse and stuff? I think common people in Europe mostly just enjoyed religion because it gave them excuses to party, occasional nice building, fun stories, people to pray to when stuff went to shit [example you can pray to Saint Florian if all your stuff is on fire], sometimes a charity project or two for the poorfags. I don't think they cared about the latest Vatican statement about whatever King.
Elites cared insofar as it was a good political tool/excuse but then those same elites ran around making all kinds of illegitimate children and sometimes even attacking the Church when it went against them. Protestantism in general was about saying "fuck that" and doing whatever you wanted instead. King Henry VIII told the Church to go fuck itself when it told him to not behead his wife. Then he did it anyway. What happened? Nothing, UK is still right there and still has the same monarchy.
>Crusades are one of the reasons the church is not popular today
No. The Church would be VASTLY MORE POPULAR if it were fomenting bloody wars, burning infidels, etc.
Violence is the main appeal of islam for new converts, just like communism previously, or just like christianism way before.
Peace and understanding are never popular.
Yes, people back then were deeply religious and they unironically thought they would go to hell if they didnt live a life according to church. Thats why indulgence was so popular.
And elites are people aswell. Sure, some of them might have been cynical, but I think the vast majority was deeply religious, aswell
I don't think so, they mostly handed out non violent punishments after a long trial. ISIS seems to murder first with no trial and even random bystanders.
Inquisition was bad, but not nearly as bad.
Alright if you say so,you know more European history than me.
A 40 year old refugee from eritrea raped a 79 year old german woman on a graveyard.
What a time to be alive
Also, did you noticed that the (((mainstream media))) suddenly stopped with the church pedophilia scandal after Francis got elected?
They were harassing the poor Ratzinger about it every day like he was responsible for decades of laziness, while in reality he was probably the only pope strong enough to tackle the problem.
You won't get a crusade, what you'll get probably is an Iron Dome.