My product idea. Why doesn't this exist as a sleek all-in-one solution?

It could help popularise fibre home networking.

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Terminating fiber is ass OP, you can just cut a cat6 and pass it through a wall, then crimp it and done.

Thanks for feedback but did you miss the "pre-terminated" part? You can buy "patch" cables of significant length for quite cheap. The customer doesn't need to terminate any fibre, they can just buy a bit more than they think they need and let the excess coil somewhere.

but y tho

Right now no-one wants to run fibre because it's a fuss to use it straight away compared to CatX. This allows them to get it working immediately for only a slightly higher cost than copper, and then they're futureproofed for higher speeds since they have fibre in the wall rather than copper.

ONTs are already a thing.

An ONT is the counterpart to an OLT and is used for last-mile GPON FTTP. My product is for networking within the home and applies regardless of the last-mile ISP technology in use. It has nothing directly to do with Internet access at all.

Why not just use SFP?

Home users' equipment doesn't have SFP slots, it has RJ45.

Unless you mean: Why not use a generic SFPRJ45 media converter with a bidi optics SFP module. That's fair enough but I was going for an all-in-one/"integrated solution" approach.

What are the benefits?

Would you like me to distribute these in Au, under your banner?

The question is WHY would you need to popularize fiber home networking? 99.9% of homes don't need 40GbE, are less than 50 meters across, and aren't full of powerful EMI.

This, no one needs it.

we need it because REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The main benefit over copper is futureproofing. Right now, 1gbit is plenty for all home use- but who knows what the future holds? 10Mbit Ethernet was considered plenty fast when it first came about. Someone who wired their home with CAT5 a couple decades ago will already find gigabit borderline on it (CAT5e required by spec).

If you're running cables through your house anyway, it makes sense to ensure you won't need to do it again. Running SMF guarantees that; running copper does not.

There are other, smaller benefits. You can run fibre alongside mains power without issues, your network cable will not be a target for lightning strikes, and it uses less power (possibly mitigated currently by the need for conversion devices).

literally doesn't matter what the house is wired with because normies love their wifi, sell overpriced wifi shit instead

LMAO just get wifi nigga

who fucking cares? 1 gig can handle 4k media, and the fiber isnt the expensive part the optics and literally everything else is.

this is a fucking retarded idea, stay in school you fucking child

Where is the bottleneck at for in home networking? You are going to remodulate the signal and then demodulate it again? For essentially 0 speed increase? Makes no sense, especially considering the increase in cost.

But user, what about the 64K ultra-3d VR porn OP plans on streaming in 30 years?

He needs to wire his home with fiber, just in case!

Thanks, copyrighting it right now please don't post about my product ever again

SMF is shit for future-proofing because you cannot shorten or extend it without expensive equipment. And chances are that you'll want to move furniture around much earlier than 10GbE becomes too slow.

You haven't answered why anyone would need it though.
You can literally put CAT6 anywhere and within a house get 10GBE-baseT - for what reason does an average person need fibre for their internal networking?

CAT6a does 10gbps just fine, who gives a fuck about fiber for home use?

This would be DOA, no one would buy it but autists.

>your network cable will not be a target for lightning strikes

If your HOME NETWORK cable can be a target for lightning strikes, you're doing something VERY wrong.

>your network cable will not be a target for lightning strikes,
This is a benefit only if you're running a length of cable OUTSIDE the home (ie. between your main home and an outbuilding like a shed or pool house)
But in that situation gigabit media converters already exist and are typically less than $100 for a pair on eBay...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This isn't solved by getting expensive, brittle optical cables with active converters everywhere, but by using proper cable guides so you can always re-do segments of your network without blasting walls apart.

>You can run fibre alongside mains power without issues
You can run even UTP alongside mains cables without issues unless you literally wrap the cables around each other. Also, with copper you can use PoE and avoid running mains cables to small devices entirely.

Except it does it's commonly known as ONT,Optical Network Terminal or as it is most commonly known a modem.

Wifi is already struggling now that FTTP is more common, I think the need for wires will come back. Certainly among power users.

Lightfield streams come to mind. But this is a bit like being back in 1999 and asking "who needs gigabit? My 2Mbps cable can already play video!"... we don't know most of what we'll need it for because the applications won't exist until the capacity does.

Future devices will probably have native 40Gbit ports or whatever. The point is getting fibre into the walls.

Feel free to steal, I want it to exist but I'm not a good entrepreneur.

This is the most important criticism I've seen so far. I think advancements in quick splicing tools need to be made.

See above... as of right now, they really don't. But if you're running cables now, why not think ahead?

>Future devices will probably have native 40Gbit ports or whatever. The point is getting fibre into the walls.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i personally would love this because i have 2 voip phones and 3 htpcs for my family

this doesnt include the family room steamlink and my local nas4free and embee servers or the phones/tablets/laptops

once more 4k content comes out ill run out of local network bandwidth

If you really want to future proof just go for CAT7 RJ-45.

It can do 40gbps over 100m and 100gbps over shorter distances.


No reason to go with expensive fiber in a residential deployment.

MAYBE for larger apartment buildings this might make sense, or large businesses.

The fastest internet I can get right now is 2gbps, with 10gbps on CAT6a I have no reason to upgrade anytime soon.

Nothing to do with internet user. By "ONT" do you mean media converter?

Wow looks like you tried to read a bunch of wiki pages in an autistic fit.

You've never worked with optical fibre before.

There's no point in having a 40 GB backbone if there's nothing under $10k dollars that can support it.
As a Portuguese Network technician the we have something called the ITED/ITUR project which declares a single fiber cable should exist in the house for a number of reason, and basically dictates how we can assemble home networks and shit on new houses.
It's a complex and interesting read.
You can find the complete documents here untranslated
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ONT or Optical Media Terminal is a converter that takes Light signals from fiber and converts them into Electrical signals most are modems however some are not.

See above nigger.

I can understand running fibre for interconnecting loaded L2 switches, but directly to one device? With a fucking media converter? OP, you're going to severely embarrass yourself one day if you ever somehow get a job as a network technician. Fibre was / will never be used in this way.

If you have RJ45-SFP-RJ45, then the cable run is bottlenecked by RJ45.

There's no point in using fiber unless both ends support SFP.

I plan to do a fibre run myself from my router/switch to my desktop upstairs, as an alternative to running CatX, to replace wifi. I eventually figured out what I needed to buy after studying the types of fibre and the other equipment needed, but it was a clusterfuck which I imagine would put many off running fibre.

That's what I inspired my product idea- it's a streamlined all-in-one alternative package. It doesn't really do anything you can't set up already, just less cumbersome and confusing.

Much easier to change the converters out for something else than it would be to change the cabling in the walls.

Any dingus with a $10 rj45 crimper can reterminate a cat5e/6 cable if it gets damaged in a home scenario. Unfortunately fiber is far more expensive to repair.

As such you would want your in wall runs going to a fiber patch panel, and then the patch panel is what you would hook into.

The average home owner can't be bothered with that noise.
A geek who cares enough about it will just run the fiber themselves.

OP: I am not sure what techniques you have in mind in regards to wiring, but in my experience it is MUCH easier to upgrade wiring with changing demands, than it ever is to install *pre-terminated* wiring. I would much rather change my copper cabling ten times than install pre-terminated fiber even once.

>figured out what I needed to buy after studying the types of fibre and the other equipment needed

As someone who has been in networking for 6 years.. Abandon this idea now before you waste your money. You're going to be seriously disappointed. This is not appropriate use of fibre.

The better option would be making an unmanaged switch that had SPF ports and SFPs that don't start around $300 a piece.

And then networks cards that are the same, support cheap SPFs, and don't cost much.


Don't fool yourself. Cost is the problem with fiber. Shit is expensive for home users.

Don't worry, I'm not expecting anything miraculous. In my case it's not even going in the wall, so I'm basically just setting up an overpriced CAT6 cable. I'm doing it partly for the hell of it and partly because the 2mm cable looks a lot nicer and less obtrusive than CATx, which is good since the run will be visible.

That's a nice fiber optic run you have there.
It would be a shame if someone were to... kink it :^)

If op's product has a cletops built in I would do it.

Larger apartments do fiber to the unit. They also have to run 100s of feet of coax, so it makes sense

Also most likely 10gbps speeds are the next max but probably 10 years from now and 99% of residential will still be on overpriced 100mbps lines
We call them ONUs here, in apartments wired with fiber they convert light to electric for coax hookups in the unit. They are standalone devices. Not sure why other anons are so upset

An ONT/ONU is a different thing to the product I described in the OP. It converts exterior fibre to something your router can use. My product is for connections between your router and a PC/TV/etc.

but why?
Router is going to be ethernet, PC is going to be ethernet.

Why even have fiber backhaul?

again, these things exist and are cheap as fuck

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If it wasn't for the fact I happen to use this exact model at work, finding out these already are on the market would have taken you 20 seconds

ONT's Do that, they convert Light signals to Electric signals they can even convert fiber straight to Coax as said which is the most common usage.

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user I'm sorry but did you read the thread
fibre home networking is about futurepoofing

user I know that media converters exist, those are what I have ordered for my own fibre run
user I explained here why my product is different
user my OP image even contains the words "media converter"
user it contains those words in two separate places actually

When, why are you trying to reinvent the wheel?

static.tp-link.com/Media Converters datasheet(new).pdf

you can already power them using a USB cable with a barrel connector end. They take in 5V

He's as dumb as nails.

>futurepoofing
For what? We already have ethernet up to 40gbps for residential deployment.

The expensive part is the NICs which isn't an issue since no one needs these speeds currently so you can just have 1gbps or 10gbps NICs for now and upgrade your NICs later if you need it.

I see ZERO reason to waste money on fucking fiber for a LAN.

Why run fiber in your house if you just have to convert to rj45 to connect to your machines? Fiber networking would only make sense if you had a few devices that took it natively. In which case you don't need that media converter.