Let say technology to transfer your consciousness to a machine exists...

Let say technology to transfer your consciousness to a machine exists, does that mean your original consciousness die and the one on the machine is just a copy?

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Depends brah.

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Well, if you are just going to pretend one thing exists, why not just fucking pretend the other thing exists, dipshit.

You're trying to compare cut and paste with copy and paste, pick one or the other.

We think about this, if ones conscious was both in a machine and in a body. Would at that point they would they be the same thing anymore, being that they would no longer have the same experience from that point on and don't both have the same stimulation?

They won't be right from the beginning of the split. It's like paternal twins are not the same as each other after they split

Why not pretend the consciousness is expanded instead of separate.

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So it's connected somehow?

That requires me to take a leap of faith and believe in something like a soul or something. How would the two consciousness connect otherwise? Bluetooth?

Same with teleportation technology, original is intentionally destroyed during process because of legal repercussions.

Your previous consciousness (es) are dead, you only have the current. Same will happen in machine.

>That requires me to take a leap of faith
>in a thread full of imagination and pretend

hahah

yes

You brain's synapses is just a bunch of on off switch making multiple connections. Not that much different than a bunch of 1s and 0s

Unless the consciousness is something more than your mind

There hasn't been found anything special in the brain other than elementary particles and elementary reactions and they obey to the same laws as carbon and electricity obeys anywhere else in the cosmos, naturally two identical states of a mind in one absolutely quantized moment of existence would diverge into different beings in the next slice of minimum time, it's a very very complicated matter actually with a lot of implications and factors.

Right now people die of testicle cancer and even cutting out doesn't fix shit, we can dream about immortality but we're far.

No, assuming the transfer didn't do something fucked like kill you or make you brain dead you effectively have two copies of "you" floating around.

The issue is that both copies are only "you" for a brief moment after which they become two different personalities. With the passage of time these personalities diverge.

Each responds in a similar fashion to external stimulus for a time, but the environment, people, internet, etc. But they cannot be considered the same person. Neither copy is anymore the original, even if the meat is retained.

Many issues: quantum properties of particles that build up the substrate for consciousness - we all know thier random nature... there's a strong collection of evidence which indicate that universal constants are not so constant in various regions of space... we do not understand the fundamental fields and how they entirely interract... hence all this problems give a huge array of factors that influence the development so to speak of two identical minds even if they sit 1 cm next to each other...
It's nice that we consider ourselves to be sacred and unique but fundamentally what we consider we it's just a dysmorphic shape which thinks of itself of being like a perfect square.

Let's make some assumptions because this is too advanced for current tech.

1] We have a blackbox capable of copying the state of a mind and outputting it to another physical substrate or electronic medium

2] This procedure will not adversely harm the physical makeup of the brain.

>Unless the consciousness is something more than your mind
When you figure that out, tell the whole world.

Would the two minds sharing the same memories and behavioral patterns have the same rights, ownership of the same properties and be marries to the same person?

Also the electronic substrate we can argue that would outpeace the meat brain after its first boot-up and will constantly evolve to something superior.. maybe because it would be so easy for him he would change some of his behavioral patterns or delete some memories.

But let's make this even simpler:
Brain and electronic substrate both are equal in cognitive power back the the rights problem and obligations do they now share the same identity?
I mean if a judge would ask each of them independently a personal questions odds are they will use the same phrasing if not that the same meaning and share intentions at least for a while.

Let us all know when you find the photocopier then send us the fax number.

For all intents and purposes, yes. Neither has more claim to the wife or property and whatnot then the other. What could be done to circumvent this is a equivalent to a prenuptial agreement signed by the owner. (See next para). As this is taken at the point where there is a single mind, post-split both have signed off on it.

An abuse that could be created is uneven agreements before a copying begins. Creating disadvantaged versions of yourself for use in home automation or automated shitposting. I'd equate this to legal slavery personally. Some types of laws enforcing a minimum "share" of the original assets would probably be needed.

>outpacing the meat
Depression at 5GHz by William Gibson

>mitm'ing the neuro-copier to hot patch humans and wake them up in their pods

B A S E D.

Owner was the wrong word. Source is a better one.

Yes

yes its a copy, dont let (((them))) convince you otherwise
I guess it would only be feasible to connect a new body and have the consciousness active in both bodies at the same time (1 consciousness but using two or more connected bodies at the same time) then the original could be disconnected) but this is still debatable
for now just preserving your original brain and maybe supplementing its functions by cybernetics seems to be the safest and most viable option at least until we have a technology to repair the brain and keep it alive and functioning indefinitely

If you slowly inject artificial neurons into your brain over time, your experience of consciousness will stay the same. Brains are already designed to accept new neurons. After 30 years or so of this process, your brain can be entirely artificial yet you'll still retain your consciousness without feeling like a different person.

Theres this paradox en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

The answer is when something cease to serve its purpose dies and when it serves its purpose again is reborn but is not the same thing that was begore dying it is a new thing , i made very simple but the answer is long and complicated the resume is pretty much what i said

It cannot be compared to human mind. Or its not accurate.
The ship itself is justs a wooden construction sitting in a port, it cannot be considered a ship until it has a crew. Same way a crew cannot be considered a crew if they dont have a ship. Replace the ship and keep the crew and the new ship will behave similarly but it wont be the same ship.
*Gradually* upgrade the ship, remove broken parts and install new ones, even shuffle the members of a crew, invite new members, get rid of old, and as long as there is original member present when new member arrives (or old part of ship present when a new one being installed) the ship stays original

>it cannot be compared to human mind. Or its not accurate
It is perfectly comparable to the human mind, humam beings replace all of the cells within 7 years, we age when we lose the ability to create new perfect cells because our dna decays over time.

>*Gradually* upgrade the ship, remove broken parts and install new ones, even shuffle the members of a crew, invite new members, get rid of old, and as long as there is original member present when new member arrives (or old part of ship present when a new one being installed) the ship stays original

Yes but the question here isnt if the ship stays the same or not the question is why stays the same, the reason is because the ship never lost its purpose even when it was being gradually replaced.
This leads to op question , would we be the same or just a copy?
The answer is we would be a copy because we would lose our purpose.
And why would we lose our purpose?
Because our brain is not like a computer that can be shut down and stay the same when is turned on, human brains cant be shut down, even when we sleep our brain is active and remain active through our whole life

>The answer is we would be a copy because we would lose our purpose.
this makes no sense, lets say you can produce perfect clone with all memories and exact dna, without the close actually knowing it
person goes to sleep, you do the cloning and replace the person with close, in the morning he wakes up and is the same person with same purpose, but its still a clone, even if original person/body was destroyed during cloning procedure
this has nothing to with "purpose"

I was thinking out of the human sphere, what you said is true within the human sphere i mean you can fool everybody and even delete your own memories about cloning the person and by all means to society and to any human it will be the same person, but outside of that it will be a completely different person.

Impossible.
If consciousness is a consequence of neural connections (which most likely it is). There is no way to transfer you to anything else without your brain. Your brain is what you are.

Unless soul exists, but we're not on /x/ so it doesn't.