Why... the FUCK... is there barely any funding for fusion power development? It will forever be "fifty years away" if it stays underfunded.
A dirt cheap, massively abundant energy source would lead to so much fucking innovation and development. Think of all the energy-intensive endeavors which would suddenly become much more economical. When electricity is as cheap and abundant as tap water, we're going to see some amazing things.
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You don't get elected on saving humanity.
same reason there’s no funding for solar energy or any green energy to begin with
goldberg and ahmed need to squeeze every cent out of petrodollar before they run out of it
Because it doesn't work, numbnuts. Green energy are scams.
>the Sun doesn't work, numbnuts
Okay.
>If uncontrolled fusion works, then controlled fusion must work.
>Why... the FUCK... is there barely any funding for fusion power development? It will forever be "fifty years away" if it stays underfunded.
>Thousands of engineers and scientists have contributed to the design of ITER since the idea for an international joint experiment in fusion was first launched in 1985. The ITER Members—China, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea, Russia and the United States—are now engaged in a 35-year collaboration to build and operate the ITER experimental device, and together bring fusion to the point where a demonstration fusion reactor can be designed.
>Main construction milestones:
2006 Signature of the ITER Agreement
2007-2009 Land clearing and levelling
2010-2014 Ground support structure and seismic foundations for the Tokamak
2014-2021 Construction of the Tokamak Building (access for first assembly activities in 2019)
2010-2021 Construction of the ITER plant and auxiliary buildings for First Plasma
2018-2025 Assembly phase 1
>Dec 2025 First Plasma
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you dont know much about fusion eh
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The word "nuclear" has a lot of stigma attached to it, so it's probably quite risky for a politician to back it.
Just look at NMR Spectroscopy, or as you probably know it as; MR. The medical industry had to drop the "N" even though this has nothing to do with nuclear radiation.
It truly pisses me off. My country, Norway is currently shilling solar and wind power instead of thorium reactors, which would be far more efficient for us considering our resources. All because normies are scared of nuclear.
the EU funds it. germany had a breakthrough earlier this year and france will power up a big fusion generator in a few years.
burgers are occupied with "mahh elon musk" and will spend billions in hope to get a flag on mars to satisfy they nationalism.
different priorities.
sun is electrical. not fusion. that's why you can see through it.
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Lol what?
Are you talking about gravitational distortion?
For your information, genius, the sun is actually chemical.
sun is sacred, god only knows its technology, trying to reproduce it is blasphemy
Because cold fusion is THE future!
too bad it's unreproducible
Don't get mad, OP... you'll be long dead before those are usable power sources.
actually first small scale (500MW) deuterium-tritium fusion should be achieved around 2035.
but yeah, it will take more time until it can be used on a large scale for electricity production.
Spider-Man put everyone off
an average nuclear fission unit produces around 1GW in comparison
> Le Electrical Meme
back to /x/
it has even less funding and is plagued with old, crazy people and scammers
Trump should have some balls and funding the construcction of molten salt reactors.
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Your neightbor Finland is building 2 third gen power plants, the first one is olkiluoto 3 which will use the EPR and the 2nd is a russian VVER 1200
Thorium reactors aren't there yet.
Solar and wind already work.
all the funding goes to the renewable energy jew
Thorium reactors are a joke, and there's damn good reason they're not built.
Just about all science funding is sucked up by NASA to fund its phallic rockets. The benefits to humanity are zero.
Tell someone watching their kids die of malaria or TB that we sent Cassini to Saturn with the money that would have proveded a cure and see if he thinks it's worth the money.
haha fuck negros
> benefit of satellites and probes are zero
Wat.
But yes, they do not cure malaria or build concrete houses that will survive a major storm. No shit. It wasn't the goal. Please note high HDI nations solve high HDI nation's problems (and do high HDI nation risk management) mainly, uplifting the rest of the world is a tertiary concern at best no matter what.
It is an externality though. Mining and refining raw resources in the third world is better than subsistence farming.
Why don't scientists use (((machine learning))), (((deep learning))), (((AI))), (((big data))) or some other meme shit to come up with a solution? They only use them to identify faggots based on pictures and other retarded shit.
Sure, and space based imagery is used to prospect resources (educated guess if not direct detection) help with weather monitoring and so on. Even in low HDI countries that still helps a bunch...?
Subsistence farming is shit anyhow, motorized agriculture is where its minimally at. Or you can be low HDI forever because everyone is busy farming. Which sucks.
I think France is currently building worlds first fusion reactor which is supposed to start operating in 2025.
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Big processing and big data essentially are actually used for ITER.
Also at CERN etc.
Ah, and for wendelstein 7-x too, its essentially a computer optimized design as well.
The problem is the magnetic fields. Until relatively recently there wasn't a way to get the plasma hot enough and dense enough. Look up MIT ARC, there are some good talks on jewtube. New superconductors that are commercially available and work better than anything we've had access to before.
>ITER
In France. Expect M-A-S-S-I-V-E corruption and overruns. And "problems" that will only be "solved" by sending more money to France.
I have been working on international R&D projects and you don't have to go far south in Europe before corruption becomes a gigantic problem.
Remember the Maginot Line.
Corrupt French contractors used sub-standard materials. The line failed in the few places the Germans needed to attack it.
The Norwegian thorium resources are in a form or ore that is very hard to refine. More precisely we have no idea how to extract the metal from the rock in a cost effective way.
>Send development aid
>Receive death threats back
Why continue?
You don't know much about research at all. All these things have been used routinely for decades. We just don't give it snazzy names, we just call it work.
because commercialism, consumerism and capitalism in general wont work if every thing is easy to access.
>A dirt cheap, massively abundant energy source would lead to so much fucking innovation and development.
I agree with this but we should be wringing more out of better fission technology first (like the thorium meme, the molten salt reactors sound pretty sick and can recycle existing fission reactor waste to some extent iirc)
Fusion needs massive energy inputs to do its thing so it looks like a big waste of money to spend much on it before we've got more abundant nuclear energy (and once we've got that, maybe it's easier)
Chemical reactions = exchange of electrons. Nuclear reactions are VERY different, but I suspect you knew that
> there’s no funding for solar energy or any green energy
Oh yeah, which reason is that?
Molten salt reactors are meme.
Light water thorium reactors are just awfully uneconomical.
It won't produce any electricity though
>"mahh elon musk"
is actually about building better batteries, mars is just a maymay to garner attention from the sheeple whome are too retarded to understand that we can't even make it to mars without dying due to radiation
i think you hit it right when you said forever
>there's damn good reason they're not built.
which is?
because the higgs boson proved perpetual motion is possible, why waste the resources on something that can make current nuke blasts look like a single pixel in a 4k screen in comparison to the damage a fusion detonation can achieve.
you're literally attempting to create a miniature sun, but there's no way to contain it.
spiderman wasn't actually wrong in these regards
Nuclear fusion is a chemical reaction.
Please research what you say before you say it
Cheap gas is doing far more to kill nuclear then "muh hippies" meme.
Has this guy never heard of NIF? You know even us burgers can already do fusion for power production, right?
>NIF
>power production
???
Well, I mean, it does produce a few dozen watts, maybe even more than comes into target, but it is far from being commercially viable
Remeber when pebble bed reactors were 100% meltdown proof ZA FUTURE?
Except the test units in Germany were an expensive failure with significant contamination of site.
Of course they're downright simple compared to LFTR.
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Lockheed says they've made incredible headway, but the problem with Lockheed Martin being the developer is the politics of large government contracts.
One of the most lucrative contracts in defense is the designing, building, and maintaining of the nuclear subs. Right now, one of Lockheed's biggest rivals runs that show.
I firmly believe that Lockheed would sit on a working fusion system until the next generation sub is open for bidding.
If they have a fusion system that works reliably, and can fit on a sub, there isn't a chance they would lose the contract. The problem is that won't happen until 2060 or something like that.
>Lockheed recently expanded fusion R&D team from 6 to ~25
>offered dream job as nuclear engineer (actual title was aero engr but whatever) a few months before graduation
>leaving class with fingerprint cards, going to police station to get fingerprinted for security clearance
>voicemail
>offer rescinded
>"restructuring"
Fuck Lockheed Martin, I hope Helion Energy BTFO their shit
Them or Tri Alpha
FRC best plasma configuration
>en.wikipedia.org
OK, had a read. Saw this:
>CFR innovatively employs superconducting magnets. These allow strong magnetic fields to be created with less energy than conventional magnets. The CFR has no net current, which Lockheed claimed eliminates the prime source of plasma instabilities. The plasma has a favorable surface-to-volume ratio, which improves confinement. The plasma's small volume reduces the energy needed to achieve fusion.
>The CFR has no net current
>no net current
Oh?
stellarators can operate with no plasma current as well.
tokamaks on the other hand must have a large plasma current, because it is the plasma current that induces the toroidal magnetic field. the toroidal field in stellarators in directly generated by the helical field coils
It is because nuclear fusion requires an extremely energetic environment in order to happen.
Creating and containing such an environment on Earth is extremely difficult.
Stars overcome this by sheer mass and gravity.
That's why it needs more money, not
>If we pour enough money into one pile, the sheer gravitational force will solve fusion reactors!
American logic.
When you want funding for something, you have to show people a straight line. "We gotta do this, then we can have this."
For solar energy, it's easy: slap on some blocks, and you get power from the sun.
Fusion energy isn't a straight line. We're not sure what we need to do to get a sustained fusion reaction that generates energy.
Yes, they cancelled the funding of the research program.
Then dont breed like rats maybe? But no sterilization is not an option. Moreover that 35 billion dollar that nasa gets to use is nothing next what the military gets, soo whos sucking up the money?
Because the waste put out by molten salt reactors is incredibly fucking difficult to contain and store. Read the cleanup report of the test one built in the 60's, its a god damn horror story. It spontaneously spalls producing radioactive dust, it eats through metal like it was nothing, just fucking ravages plastics, it dissolves in water so you can't just put em in 55 gallon barrels at the bottom of a pool. Only way to store it is to vitrify it into tiny borosilicate beads and hope that Wigner Swelling doesn't crack them open a hundred years down the line.
For Good Fucking Reason
>incredibly fucking difficult to contain and store.
as are normal reactors. but instead they have half lives of a few decades rather than tens of thousands of years..
the 60s tech is vastly different from todays.
>hurr durr chernobyl dun goofd, lets all stop producing nuclear reactors now!
its the joos
No, normal waste is relatively easy to store. 55 gallon barrels at the bottom of a pool will do just fine when its fresh. Later on you just bury them. Where the fuck did you get "a few decades" from? Fissile products from Thorium will be nearly the same as Uranium.
>the 60s tech is vastly different from todays
and yet the waste products remain the same
>Where the fuck did you get "a few decades" from?
some shill on youtube advocating thorium salt reactors as if it were teh second coming of jesus
There is ample funding for it
It's just wasted on stupid projects that will never achieve productive results
The waste is only a problem because of dumbass NIMBYs who don't understand how radiation works.
controlled fusion has worked for 4.5 billion years, dumbass.
More like political establishment & special interests who were scared it would kill oil/coal/whatever other existing industries
Despite what the kikes tell you, hippies protests accomplish NOTHING except give these corrupt politicians the excuse to implement their evil agendas
No, it's not by definition.
cold fusion is a chemical reaction
>not taking the radioactive waste and encasing it in diamonds
boom, you just safely converted the radiation to electricity
We're talking about technology here, numbnuts.
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Holy shit why do these reactors always look like godless abomniations from hell?
If it were a chemical reaction no one would give a fuck. People care because it is a nuclear reaction, and nuclear reactions liberate millions of times more energy than chemical ones
>The fucking EPR lid that was incorrectly built and must be rebuilt, costing 100 million euros
Yeah, it's somewhat hopeless.
The stellarator is the bomb baby
To hell with tokamaks, we need to build more of these
it actually does produce more power than is put in, so technically it is a generator.
>costing 100 million euros
I would expect all that extra money goes to French companies.
Why dont you sell all your shit and give that money to research instead of bitching on Sup Forums
Imagine all the unemployment created by the mass shift in the market. You must really hate people
If you really believe that the personal funds of a Sup Forums poster is anywhere near sufficient to make an impact on research you have absolutely no idea about research at all. Really, the level in here is plummeting.