I just want a dev career ASAP, front-end/back-end, I don't give a fuck. (Although there are far more women in front-end, who will obviously be given preference over me, a young, straight white male.
Is it possible to achieve this with only an Associate's degree via a boot camp?
Or is my best option the typical go to uni, get an internship, graduate, make some projects and apply to every job I can. This takes way too much time IMO.
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lol ur fucked
get a mcjob and do your part in being a good citizen you fucking slave
>no patience
>no passion
>no work ethic
gimme career plz. lol just become a plumber or some shit
I don't think you have what it takes. Honestly, look at yourself, you're a piece of shit. Who would hire you?
how about you start by learning a language.
then learn things that go along with that language, then learn other front-end skills.
then apply to jobs
but first
stop bitching
Fuck Sup Forums OP, start taking programing courses online/learn everything you can that will get you a job. Start personal projects. Go to school. Get an internship if possible, any work/internship coding is better than none. Eventually in a couple of years you will have a couple of years experience, and some qualifications/degree along the way. Good luck OP.
Also no, don't listen to these doctorate asshole uni cucks who have never stepped foot off campus, you don't need a degree to be a programmer. A degree is vastly beneficial and I don't see why anyone wouldn't get one, but no, it's not mandatory. You don't need to be a cookie cutter college kid to work as a programmer, is what I'm getting at.
I understand you all are autists, but I'm not trying to rush because I'm lazy. I have a disabled vet father and a handicapped sister whom I love dearly but won't be able to live on gubmint money forever.
The longer I take to become a dev the longer they have to suffer under the measly care of their disability checks and my poor overworked mother.
If the 4-year route is the only way then that's what I'll do. I'm just asking if there's a viable alternative.
I've gone through the Uni of Helsinki Java courses and am working on learning Python, React/JS, Ruby and Go. Which languages are in high demand right now?
Well my understanding is, you can go the Java route, or the Microsft route, or you can be a total pleb. Best of luck. I'm not that knowledgeable/experienced my self.
Nah.. This guy giving you hope is just a fuckboi shill trying to get another web dev code monkey in the door to lower wages.
You'll be working a crap job making a teachers salary while you managers get bonuses.
Without a real degree you'll be stuck working at a help desk for 4 years before they give you a chance at a junior position.
javascript is in very high demand.
if you have the means to go to a 4 year school and get a degree, absolutely, without a doubt do it.
if you dont think its a viable option, get a job making decent money, whatever you find that pays enough, and self-teach until you're ready to get a job.
It might be beneficial to get in contact with some actual senior devs, they'd be able to point you in the right direction. I personally enjoy Pluralsight, you can message the instructors there sometimes if you're lucky, find a better forum that's about actually working as a software engineer and helping amateurs get into the field. not meme factory bullshit college kid. image-boards. A good mentor goes a long way.
Not OP, but are there any forums in particular you'd recommend?
I think you've just plebbed your self into orbit desu
You are going to spend the rest of your miserable fucking life doing unpaid internships so that you can gain valuable workplace experience, you worthless sack of shit. Voluntary slaves deserve everything they get.
Let me paint the scene: you'll be in your mid-30s, single, childless, living in rented property, no savings, no hobbies, no holidays abroad. All of your paid coworkers will be married and talking about their three wonderful children. Whenever they look at you they will laugh among themselves; knowing full-well that their permanent contracts/annual pay rises/paid leave will allow them to sustain their habitat of breeding and living carefree like the primitive animals they are (you included dipshit).
Welcome to the animal kingdom you worthless processed-food-eating garbage dumpster. Some animals get more than others. It's not unfair. But do remember that after you spend your life suffering in misery and die, you will be forgotten. A century from now all of those carefree animals will be forgotten too, and their genes will be passed on and go through the same cycle of natural selection.
why exactly will he be doing unpaid internships for the next 80 years?
Not really... It might help to start with an A+ Certification, or associates degree from a community college. Then learn to code, there's tons of places that'll let you in the door for low wages while you're still in school if you're willing to work. This is just my knowledge. My father has been coding for 30 years and he's teaching me to code for his consulting company, so that's my background.
>via a boot camp?
Dropped. The second i saw this your credibility droped to nothing.
That should be a good indication of something.
this
Another question, is ReactJS in as high demand as the spam emails I get from code schools say it is?
This man seems to say so while
is extremely skeptical.
Is front-end only a good option for the short-term? Even if so it may be a segue into a different field it seems.
Written like a man who has never experienced the joy of love and human connection. There's a world of opportunity out there for you in every pursuit, I hope you can one day find the contentment in life that you clearly need. :) Literally not writing this out of backhanded sarcasm.
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Doesn't really matter what language you learn as long as it's not some meme language. Don't fall for memes. Java and .NET are both fine, and most professional programmers will end up using a bit of both.
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Like this song, java basically invented the same sort of thing as .net, it's like mac verses apple. Does it really matter? Not at all, or at least, barely. Both users, in this instance, just use em to browse Sup Forums. It's just corporate non-sense.
So this (among other posts) seem to indicate that bootcamps are a waste of time. Interesting considering some, like SF's Hack Reactor, last only 4-5 months and have a median starting salary of $90k.
Regardless, it seems the 4-year route is the best option by far. Thanks for your help, gentlemen, as a long time lurker of this community I expected this much negativity, but you've been genuinely helpful.
Do bootcampers literally think this? That women will be hired over them and that's why they can't get jobs?
Notice the song is made by java.
But there are java shops, and Microsoft shops, just pick one if ya want.
You're welcome user.
so this is a cringe thread now? god i hate all these ironic nerd raps. weird al's was pretty good but the rest are just awful
front end only is all you really need
honestly if you cant live off 50-120k for the rest of your life, 50 being starting wage roughly and 120k being what you SHOULD be making if you continue advancing in the field, by the time you retire, then you arent going to be happy in this line of work.
that said, if you want to do shit like create fun games, then do it.
dont worry about what your day job is, just do the day job to fund what you enjoy.
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Wouldn't call myself a "bootcamper", I'm fresh out of High School.
These people who get more depend on skilled people. Haven't you read Ayn Rand?
Bootcamps are money sinks, any statistics they give you on "median starting salary" are BS.
Go to any hackernews thread where actual hiring managers are talking about their process, all of them will say that hiring bootcampers ends up badly for all involved. They literally toss bootcamp resumes in the trash
its a combination of being jaded from viewing too much social media hatred in every direct, and bootcamp programs telling people theyre going to be fucking pro dev's in 3 months guaranteed.
patience is a virtue.
>Has never worked a programing job in his life
git out
I currently work as a data engineer. I don't work with any bootcampers.
My advice to OP: No matter how tough things get, never settle for being in a position where you are underpaid and people above you profit from your hard work and treat you like a slave. Take up arms if you have to, this is America after all.
I'm lined up to get a job as a junior dev in the next 3-6 months
so, I guess, stay pleb. Pleb status, interplanetary.
If you are in highschool please do not speak with any authority on things you couldn't know about.
Listen. Most of these fags on here don’t even work in the industry. Hell, they probably don’t work period. I’ve been in software development professionally for about four years. I’ve done front end, back end, and now I’m the architect of a pretty huge project with some big name clients. I don’t have a college degree, and I make 160 a year base. If you’re good at what you do, anyone will hire you. They say that they “require” a college degree to weed out the uninitiated, but I’ve yet to be turned down for any job I’ve interviewed for. Just walk into an interview, show them you know your shit, and you’re golden.
well said
im unemployed (aka free) and living off my >200 bitcoins from 2010 so i can avoid all that workplace trauma :)
What? Okay Junior dev, no idea what made you think that you were somehow more experienced than me...
Because I sort of am when it comes to management, my father runs a consulting company, and he's hiring me. So obviously my kind's resume aren't thrown in the trash, sure I may not make dosh, but, there's tons of people out there that'll hire competent devs trying to get their foot in the door at a low wage.
oh lol never mind this is pretty funny. "My father runs a consulting company", lol this could almost be a new pasta. Or is it? Am I falling for something?
Thanks for your valuable input. Given the consensus here and on other communities it seems that knowing what you're doing is more important than having a degree, but having a degree gives you such a significant leg up that it's worth the time and potential debt. Thanks, you may have saved my future here. I wish you well in all your endeavors.
So your father is just as incompetent as you. Clearly, Darwin is doing God's work here.
What is funny about that? Anyone can run a consulting company.
Realistically how good at programming do you need to be to actually find a job? I'm not really into writing advanced compilers and high performance neural networks kinda stuff. I just wanna do simple shit like a login pages and databases.
The less interesting or complex the thing you can do is the more people there will be who can do it.
In general if you have an average skill level then getting a job will be more a factor of your personality and speed. If you can meet deadlines and not creep your coworkers out you're mostly good, but you'll always be average.
Sup Forums is not the career advice board. please kill yourself.
>Doesn't care about what he's doing
>Associates degree via a bootcamp (I don't think any bootcamps are accredited universities)
>Impatient
you're gonna have a tough time.
The company I work for doesn't hire bootcamp graduates unless they show extreme talent. We'd honestly rather take someone self-taught, because at least that shows desire to work in the field.
Bootcamp graduates are seen as people who are only in it for a quick buck. While wanting high pay isn't wrong in any way, taking a 6 week course where you are walked through a Node.JS to-do app doesn't set you apart at all from the thousands of other mid twenties idiots who do that.
AMA, if you want, but probably just get an Associates degree in nursing or something.
if you could recommend a more appropriate community that'd be lovely. Based on your response i don't expect you to so I wish you well regardless.
I'm primarily interested in tech, if you're saying a 4-year is the way to go, which i think you are, then I'll take that advice. Thanks for your input.
You can get a job without a real degree but it will take far more effort and time than your OP implied you were willing to put in.
That's the impression I'm getting here. Thanks for the input, I think I'll follow that route. What was your personal path, if you don't mind answering? Top tier or state school?
A 4 year degree is the easiest route, despite the time it takes. Most people get 1 or 2 internships during their 4 year degree. Seriously, don't put off internships. Not only will you get paid $18-$30 an hour to work full time essentially learning, but having that on your resume will help you 100 times over.
The tl;dr to a career in the field:
>Make side projects, put them on Github. They don't have to be good, but you should try to bite off more than you know how to chew so you can learn. If you don't have any ideas, just re-make something you already use
>In interviews, people like to talk about Object Oriented development, and data structures and algorithms. In most state schools, this is only one or two classes. But it's important
>Crack the Coding Interview is a great resource
>get internships
Not that guy, but am I went to a community college in Minneapolis and got my A.A. in liberal arts. In MN, this means you can transfer into any participating school with all your gen-eds done. I didn't take any comp-sci classes at this time.
I transferred to a school in North Dakota (cheap!). It's not really known for comp sci. My junior->senior summer, I got my first internship making CRUD web pages for a generic company in the midwest. I managed to convince them to let me work remotely for the school year.
After I graduated, I got a job at a retail company in the midwest making software.
My A+ certification is going to expire in 30 days, I haven't been working in IT but i intend to get back to IT in about 6 months, should i do the CertMaster CE A+ to renew it? it's like $100 US ffs.
I have a bach of IT, and an A+ certification. should I try and get the networking+ certification as well?
If someone does all this but has an associates instead of a bachelors, would they still be in a good position?
State School, but a good one.
What I'd say is the hardest part is getting your foot in the door. That's what the internship is for. If you get an internship with an associates (or no degree at all), and don't get fired, it'll be way easier to get your applications past the resume stage. Then, you just have to worry about the interviews (see: crack the coding interview)
If you can nail the interviews, sure. Be prepared to have more knowledge about data structures and algorithms than you would ever need for the actual job.
That's a bit of a relief. Thanks for the advice
> Have Associates in C.I.S
> Been interning as web developer for a little over a year
Wondering what my next step should be, look for another internship, stay an continue learning, look for an entry level position. Any /adv/ Sup Forums?
Look for another job, while staying at your internship You wanna break from the intern position to the entry-level position
>no patience
>no passion
>no work ethic
You think you can become a half-decent without those? Get real, kid.