Guys, the entire shipping industry could be changed within the coming years.
Imagine a future where a sizeable vessel only needs a skeleton crew for engine maintenance or nobody at all.
Guys, the entire shipping industry could be changed within the coming years.
Imagine a future where a sizeable vessel only needs a skeleton crew for engine maintenance or nobody at all.
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Who's gonna shoot at pirates?
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I'm sorry this is an English board. Most of us can't read "we surrender".
imagine all the technicians it will take to to service these autonomous features
freighters already require a skeleton crew of maybe a dozen people for a ship weighing hundreds of thousands of tons.
>Imagine a future where a sizeable vessel only needs a skeleton crew for engine maintenance or nobody at all.
Many cargo/container ships can already be operated by less then a handful of people. The number of crew members is designated by the ships flag nation on what they believe is to be a safe number of crewmembers on certain sized ships.
>>Imagine a future where a sizeable vessel only needs a skeleton crew for engine maintenance
So, now and the past 40 years or so. Welcome to the future, user!
> nobody at all.
Lolno. No port anywhere in the world would accept an autonomous freighter, even when the roads are filled with pod cars. There's too much danger that someone could hijack the ships systems fuck with the course for even a few seconds and cause billions of dollars in losses just by ramming a bridge or blocking a port.
Large cargo vessels already operate with very minimal staff, and are already very highly automated. A ship in the "shipping lanes" is just following a GPS route all by itself while someone looks at the controls to make sure it doesn't go haywire randomly, which doesn't happen. The overwhelming majority of transit time is spent on wide open ocean with no risk of collision.
>Imagine a future where a sizeable vessel only needs a skeleton crew
But that's a thing at least since the 1500's
You do know that even large container ships only have 5 people crew, right?
The cost is already so low that it's much harder economically to justify self-driven cargo ship compared to a truck where it's one trucker per container.
You're acting as if a hundred million dollar ship is gonna have wifi, the upgrades will certainly be done physically with tech crew using encrypted devices.
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16 big tankers/lare cargo vessels blow as much pollutants out as all cars on the planet combined.
It's just the next evolution of the GPS-guided sailing they use on container ships nowadays, probably so it doesn't run into another US destroyer
And what's going to stop someone determined to get aboard from doing so when there's no one there to stop them or physically uploading a virus while it's in port?
The captains of ships don't take them into port anyway, a pilot for the port reaches the cargo ship by boat and takes command. This would easily be possible with an autonomous freighter - the autonomous freighter would travel across the ocean and be piloted by a human once it reaches port.
>Imagine a future where a sizeable vessel only needs a skeleton crew for engine maintenance or nobody at all.
It does seem no different from right now.
If it can close itself, then it wont need to.
If it doesn't go into the pirate territories, then it wont need to.
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It's not just the ports; like I said, bridges, and any other sea or waterway infrastructure as well like oil rigs and wind farms.
My question is, why aren't trains fully autonomous nowadays? They don't even need GPS, they just move on rails. With the signal systems of today, the whole network already knows where the trains are and the trains can read signals. Algorithms could also predetermine the optimal schedule of switching and using certain sidings. You could probably have a couple of guys in the central control handling the whole railway and one dude per train to just be a contact person if something goes wrong, and maybe he can also be a conductor if necessary.
I mean, it's not like humans can do anything better than a computer while driving a train. There's no evasive maneuvers that can be done, you just read signals and adjust speeds.
signal failures are common
Meaning signals that don't show the correct state? Even so, the trains can pick it up and check with the central to verify, then if central sees a discrepancy, that raises an alarm.
The problem is though, the issue could be local or at central.
That's why signal faults always halt a line. Each train has to be routed manually and then the line is shut for emergency maintenance.
Cost of testing new system to make sure it doens't fuck up in edge cases > cost of maintaining existing systems.
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(Normal) Human trust other human more than autonomous drone.
It could be 100% safe, but the stake holders will still want at least several people on board. Which isn't that different from current time. It will at least make life easier for the capts at least.
mfw pirates also will be automated
Also, a lot of the personnel involved right now is actively blocking the required advancements.
>probably so it doesn't run into another US destroyer
until it's hacked
huh, i figured they were doing that already
>or nobody at all.
But then who would be there to see Tom Hanks floating on his raft? The sea is already a lonely place, no need to make it more isolated than it already is.
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As others already pointed out, that is already the state of affairs now.
20'568 standard containers, 13 crew. And freight companies already built bigger ships and build even bigger ships again.
Freight ships already have a minimal crew relative the cargo worth.
This is not an area that is to be revolutionized.
Exactly.
Plus the crew are always underpaid Philipino's.
Other things like fuel and harbor tax are way bigger expenses.
Damn, imagine having all that space to yourself, doing jackshit all day while on the sea and getting paid for it. How do I get myself hired there?
>or nobody at all.
Hiring the few people cost so little compared to the cargo value, so I bet they will still get people on the boats. In the same way that airplanes still have pilots. It's not strictly necessary, but there is a percieved safety by having them there even though it's less safe in reality.
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>You could probably have a couple of guys in the central control handling the whole railway and one dude per train to just be a contact person if something goes wrong, and maybe he can also be a conductor if necessary.
Would it save a lot of money compared to how it is done today?
And now the sailors can concentrate on other, more creative tasks
They are in a lot of places, some lines (maybe all these days?) of the tube network in London are capable of running 100% automated, but they can't axe the drivers because of unions. Also there's the issue of public perception, they feel safer if they know there's a human at the controls even if they never even need to take control. Same with planes, commercial pilots have been for all intents and purposes obsolete for a long time but nobody is going to get on a plane without a pilot. I expect the railway will shift into full automation within a couple of decades as the public gets used to the idea of automation more.
>hack autonomous freighter carrying hundreds of lambos
>get it to drop them off on my private island
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>Same with planes, commercial pilots have been for all intents and purposes obsolete for a long time
Not really, no. Vast majority of planes still couldn't fly autonomously or handle sensor errors safely.
Ayyyyyyyyyy
As soon as I read the OP I knew there'd be a solid skeleton joke.
arrrgh matey
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This, sounds lonely and lovely
รข small team of engineers and plenty workshop grunts (but way less than onboard crews) will take care of entire fleets.
Luddism will become very fashionable again in the next decade.
Can confirm, onboard right now. Tanker captain crossing Atlantic.
AMA
captains are expensive.
guess who this tech will chase out of the job?
What's your upload/download like?
c-cc-can I hack it and ship all the /csg/ stuff to my house?
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Graduate from a marine academy and join the merchant marine.
You can afford a Sup Forums pass, right?
How did you get the job? How long have you had it? How does one get started with this type of career? What's the hardest part of it? What does the rest of the crew do? How do you pass the time?
Huge costs to bring most railway systems in the U.S out of the 20th century. Sure it would be great if the trains were automated to keep drivers from falling asleep at the controls and doing 70 around a corner causing a derailment. But then you would need sensor systems to ensure the train slows down around corners during inclement weather etc,
Went to maritime academy for 4 years including 1 year onboard training to become a junior officer. STCW requires a certain amount of seagoing experience to advance to chief officer and then captain. I got the captain position at the age of 30 which is unusually fast, only because there was an opening in my fleet.
Hardest part is probably just the fact that you are responsible for everything that happens with the crew and the ship. Everybody is looking to you - crew, operator, charterer, authorities - for answers. The rest of the crew handles routine operation and management of the ship and machinery, planning of the voyage, cargo operations, making sure we are in compliance with the metric tonnes of regulations we are subject to. I spend my free time reading, working out, writing shitty software that helps in my daily work... etc etc
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>Confidential data from maritime industry insiders based on engine size and the quality of fuel typically used by ships and cars shows that just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars. Low-grade ship bunker fuel (or fuel oil) has up to 2,000 times the sulphur content of diesel fuel used in US and European automobiles.
Literally just watched Spiderman Homecoming last night. You never know what might happen...
What's the pay like?
Depends a lot on what type of ship and what compan you work for. I have seen entry level listings for master position at 15000 USD a month, but that's on a per-contract basis. I have less than that, but with the upside of being permanently employed by my company: 10 weeks on 10 weeks off, full pay at home, actually decent retirement fund, all kinds of insurances for me and my family and everything is tax free in my country.
That's not going to happen in next 100 years. We will always need someone onboard to fix things.
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Your computer will commit suicide in the first Atlantic Storm it'll experience.
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>a 20 inch model boat is going to revolutionize commercial shipping
I somehow doubt it
The railroad system is outdated as fuck, even in the Netherlands. No redundancy whatsoever and everything keeps failing.
There a big difference between a full crew and a maintenance crew. Someone will still be onboard but it means there will be a huge surplus of workers. AKA massive unemployment and shit wages.
Asking the only question that matters. I would totally live/work on a boat. I'm already lonely as fuck.
They already run on skeleton crews because, surprise surprise, there's only one fucking guy actually piloting the ship.
So you reduce the crew amount by two or three at best.
Yeah but what if the boat didn't have any Internet?
This is interesting, but I think it's misleading. What we term 'pollution' in a terrestrial setting with many people around doesn't necessarily matter in the ocean. As I recall, certain ocean ecosystems thrive on these substances we would normally consider 'pollution'.
Fuck that.